Object ball "Skid" - real or just a BS excuse?

Williebetmore said:
Cueb,
Well said. I'm not sure though that we are even talking about the same phenomenon as theOne.

We are talking about a "cling" effect where the object ball fails to cut as much as we intend. He may be talking about the object ball scooting (without forward roll for an initial period after contact) over the cloth after contact. I hope so, otherwise I'm just mystified.
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Thanks, WBM. Hehe, I hope you're right. :)
 
I didnt agree with your analogy becase the experiment I refer too took the potential cause (chalk/smoke) of an event (skid/lung cancer) out of the equation. In your anaology the person in question I assume did not live in a bubble all their lives so they in effect did smoke, passively most likely daily.
 
Bob Jewett said:
It is unfortunate that their experiment was sufficently flawed to prove nothing. Acetone? Good Lord!

Chalk is a sufficient explanation. It can be easily shown to cause the increase in friction that is observed on skid/cling/kicks. It is observed to be transferred from the tip to the cue ball. And when kick/skid/cling has occurred, if you look closely at the cue ball you can sometimes see a scuff mark in chalk residue.

For me the case is quite well proven that it is chalk at the contact point that causes cling/kick/skid.
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No problem Bob, hopefully you can show me how you came to your conclussions when we meet up.

PS
Who let fast larry back on here!? :eek:
 
thebighurt said:
My last post was for Doug T. aka The Ones brother aka another moron aka dumb ass etc...
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You ought to consider that TheOne and Doug are respected here. I've found nothing TheOne has said to be moronic, simply debatable.

He brought some information on tests conducted we hadn't known about into the discussion.
 
Colin Colenso said:
You ought to consider that TheOne and Doug are respected here. I've found nothing TheOne has said to be moronic, simply debatable.

He brought some information on tests conducted we hadn't known about into the discussion.
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Well just so you know I have already received 8 PM's agreeing with me with both the skidding and the fact that the One is a moron
 
Colin Colenso said:
You ought to consider that TheOne and Doug are respected here. I've found nothing TheOne has said to be moronic, simply debatable.

He brought some information on tests conducted we hadn't known about into the discussion.
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Unfortunately it was wasted and probably the last time I'll bother. Hope you get the chance to view the video though I thought it was excellent, mainly because of the credible morons, sorry people and institutions involved. I've followed the kick debate for sometime it's a shame it turned into shoot the messenger, and the video wasn't viewable outside the UK.
 
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thebighurt said:
Well just so you know I have already received 8 PM's agreeing with me with both the skidding and the fact that the One is a moron
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You don't agree with these findings so you call me a moron and various other names. Then you offer to challenge me to a game because we don't agree (always love that one, how sad), then you find out I know a little about pool and change your mind and have been on my ass ever since lol

Grow up
 
TheOne said:
You don't agree ... so you call me a moron ...
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You may want to review the three important reasons not to wrestle with a pig. (Google is your friend.)
 
TheOne said:
You don't agree with these findings so you call me a moron and various other names. Then you offer to challenge me to a game because we don't agree (always love that one, how sad), then you find out I know a little about pool and change your mind and have been on my ass ever since lol

Grow up
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Changed my mind about what. You did prove you know little about pool. Let me know if you want to play. Unlike these b.s. gambling posts I see hear, if you want to play I will pay for your airfare if we post up $ 10,000.
I would love to show you what you know about pool. As far as your posts goes explain how your theories have anything to do with actual game occurences of skid. You can't that is why you changed the subject. The reason I have to call you names is because you are the densest person I have ever corresponded with.
 
pete lafond said:
... The chalk on the OB/CB do not have top be at contact points to skid, rather they can be at the bottom of the ball when contact is made, raising one ball higher than the other. This is another skid that can occur. Also chalk or a particle in front or behind a ball can cause the same.
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I think that none of these ever occurs (to produce a significantly strange shot). Do you have any demonstration of these?
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think that none of these ever occurs (to produce a significantly strange shot). Do you have any demonstration of these?
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I am LMAO at some of these theories. I have to give you credit Bob, I don't know how you don't get aggravated trying to explain something to these guys. I will even apologize to The One for what I said. It is pointless. However the offer for the game is still there.
 
Well after paying attention to what has been said, I do believe that it is unlikely that a dry chalk residues would cause skidding because there is not enough friction. I also think that it is entirely possible that humidity, polish on the balls and the oil in the felt are the main cause.

Add this moisture plus chalk on the cloth and now the chalk residue has a firmer hold to either/both the cloth and the balls.

Consider no chalk residues and is entirely possible that again skids will occur.

Lots of reasons for skids, but unlikely dry chalk causes it.
 
thebighurt said:
It is safe to say that we have all come to one conclusion and that is you are mentally retarded. You have to be the dumbest bastard I have ever come across. As we have ALL tried to tell you many things can cause skids. BUT, now listen to this dummy.. In game play the chalk marks cause the skid... What the hell does and I quote you "Two SUPER CLEAN balls, ZERO CHALK on the cloth, on the object ball, on the cue ball, or on the tip, zero, none. Cue ball surface almost perfect or atleast more spherical than normal and....Two MASSIVE skids/kicks in a row. They cleaned the balls not only with ethonol but also with another substance, ethonol actually makes the surface of the cb more spherical by removing imperfections." Have to do with actual game play. When are those factors present in actual play DUMMY!!
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SPEAK FOR YOURSELF. Don't use the word "we" without knowledge of everyone else's opinion.

AND...Where are YOUR facts? You're good at name-calling, so I'm thinking maybe you don't have any facts or theories to backup YOUR (not mine) opinions?

When you two match up, I'm betting on TheOne....and I rarely bet anymore, but this is too good to pass up!:cool:

Jeff Livingston
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think that none of these ever occurs (to produce a significantly strange shot). Do you have any demonstration of these?
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you can test this by using high english and place chalk in front of the ob on the felt. you should hear a double click from two contacts made. (Skid is a > 1 hit on the OB by the CB)

(Edit to add) Also everytime the CB climbs the OB (yes this happens and can bee seen from the balls vibration as a result of skid) there is a potential for skid. The reason this happens with high english is because the CB has forward (gearing) and OB is is caused to spin backwards. The particles in front of the ob ball hold it very briefly causing a dbl hit.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
I think that none of these ever occurs (to produce a significantly strange shot). Do you have any demonstration of these?
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Bob was replying to this post:

Originally Posted by pete lafond
... The chalk on the OB/CB do not have top be at contact points to skid, rather they can be at the bottom of the ball when contact is made, raising one ball higher than the other. This is another skid that can occur. Also chalk or a particle in front or behind a ball can cause the same.
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I think this theory might be another cause of this phenom. I've noticed that these skid shots often have happened near the split in the slate, where the object ball is on one side of the split and the cueball (when it hits the OB) is on the other piece of slate. Could it be that the heights of the equators are off so much that, when spinning, the cueball has the unintended effect of skidding the object ball off of its path?

This could be tested by putting one ball on a small, thin piece of cardboard. Any takers?

Jeff Livingston
 
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