Obvious foul......
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yea i dont call fouls on my self ,but i do tell my opponent when he is going to shoot the the wrong ball9(Out of rotation).
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Yeah, exactly. I will call a foul on myself, just as this player should right after he hits the wrong ball first....and if he "forgets" I will remind him that he fouled and I get BIH. I don't pay that much attention to what my opponent is doing but just making sure he is not commiting any fouls... if he wants to run the pattern backwards to try and get out, so be it...not my concern. He wants to shoot the wrong ball,,not my concern either. He wants to drink too much during a tourney and lose focus, not my concern either.
But I'm NOT going to tell my opponent what balls to shoot in a tourney or a league. That's his business. And just because some of us call our own fouls, it means a majority of players DON"T. I don't want anyone to be able to say I cheated...but NOBODY is gonna accuse me of "helping" my opponent either. Just the way it is. You make it sound unethical when it is not. I don't have to remind him if he is stripes or solids...if he asks me, I'll be more than happy to tell him....all u gotta do is ask.
Yeah, exactly. I will call a foul on myself, just as this player should right after he hits the wrong ball first....and if he "forgets" I will remind him that he fouled and I get BIH. I don't pay that much attention to what my opponent is doing but just making sure he is not commiting any fouls... if he wants to run the pattern backwards to try and get out, so be it...not my concern. He wants to shoot the wrong ball,,not my concern either. He wants to drink too much during a tourney and lose focus, not my concern either.
But I'm NOT going to tell my opponent what balls to shoot in a tourney or a league. That's his business. And just because some of us call our own fouls, it means a majority of players DON"T. I don't want anyone to be able to say I cheated...but NOBODY is gonna accuse me of "helping" my opponent either. Just the way it is. You make it sound unethical when it is not. I don't have to remind him if he is stripes or solids...if he asks me, I'll be more than happy to tell him....all u gotta do is ask.
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That's great. So, being known as Richie the cheater by the folks around the local pool hall is cool? We usually have very descriptive names for guys like that in our league, and most folks don't ever like playing them because if they cheat you there they'll cheat you somewhere else as well. And usually the guys who b*tch the most about anything they can think of during the match....
You're kinda like the burglar who runs out of the house with the TV set, and knocks over a flower vase on the way out but picks it up. So, yes, you may be polite but still a thief.
The rest of us are more likely to bump over the vase and blame the dog due to embarrassment, but we ain't leaving with your TV though....
That's great. So, being known as Richie the cheater by the folks around the local pool hall is cool? We usually have very descriptive names for guys like that in our league, and most folks don't ever like playing them because if they cheat you there they'll cheat you somewhere else as well. And usually the guys who b*tch the most about anything they can think of during the match....
You're kinda like the burglar who runs out of the house with the TV set, and knocks over a flower vase on the way out but picks it up. So, yes, you may be polite but still a thief.
The rest of us are more likely to bump over the vase and blame the dog due to embarrassment, but we ain't leaving with your TV though....
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I call my own fouls and I must admit also tell my opponent if he is about to shoot the wrong ball. Even though it may technically be the wrong thing to do, I have never had anyone complain about my interruption to tell them " you're shooting the wrong ball."
If a ref makes that same call then the ref is wrong. He is not in the match and is specifically prohibited from giving advice to the players. If I want to do it, it's my choice.
HEY HONEST ABE ,if ur so honest why dont u tell ur opponent he is shooting the wrong ball!
There have been plenty of times when a player, even a world class player, has taken an intentional foul in every game. We can all think of a time when we wondered why a player did A instead of B. To interrupt your opponent is presumptuous and against the rules. Ultimately, I think it comes down to sprotsmanship.
Nevertheless, I respect your opinion and appreciate the cordial nature of your posts.
WHere do u see anything about cheating,if my opponent ask me if i have just foul and i know i did i will tell him yes i fouled but if he is looking rite at the shot an is not paying attention then thats his fault and loss,like u said all u have to do is ask.
Its NOT cheating if you do NOT call a foul on yourself. Absolutely NOT cheating.
If your opponent asks if it was a foul and you say NO,,,then you are cheating.
Weather to tell him ,,if he did not see,,is completely up to you. Maybe he is an ass and is constantly walking away or talking to someone!
If a match where the opponent is respectful and seems a good person, and for some reason did not see the foul,,hmmmmm?
I am referring to tournament play,,,where everyone knows they need to pay attention.
There is a big difference if the opponent is looking right at the table and not seeing a foul,,compared to him looking a the girl across the room!!:grin: and not seeing anything that happened.
If your opponent asks if it was a foul and you say NO,,,then you are cheating.
Weather to tell him ,,if he did not see,,is completely up to you. Maybe he is an ass and is constantly walking away or talking to someone!
If a match where the opponent is respectful and seems a good person, and for some reason did not see the foul,,hmmmmm?
I am referring to tournament play,,,where everyone knows they need to pay attention.
There is a big difference if the opponent is looking right at the table and not seeing a foul,,compared to him looking a the girl across the room!!:grin: and not seeing anything that happened.
Obvious fouls are very easy to call on yourself if that is the type of player you are. Nothing wrong about this at all IMO.
But, what about the questionable calls? what if you are not sure? do you lay down and take a foul or do you wait until your opponent asks "was that a good hit? or Did it get a rail? or Was that a foul?" Do you take the foul?
Questionable fouls are even difficult for the Ref's to call and here you are at the table and 'NOT SURE' but you call Foul on yourself because you wouldn't want to win because you felt bad about an 'integrity' thing.
Do you call questionable fouls on yourself... do you really say "I think that was a foul, but I'm not sure.. .but go ahead... take ball in hand. Or, even just picking up the cue ball and handing it to your opponent????
Obvious Fouls are easy.. .very easy.
IMO no one should ever tell their opponent they are shooting the wrong ball. You should learn from your mistakes and denying your opponent of a lesson learned is just not good sportsmanship. If you are in a teaching game, that is very different. Yes by all means teach that player how to count.
But, what about the questionable calls? what if you are not sure? do you lay down and take a foul or do you wait until your opponent asks "was that a good hit? or Did it get a rail? or Was that a foul?" Do you take the foul?
Questionable fouls are even difficult for the Ref's to call and here you are at the table and 'NOT SURE' but you call Foul on yourself because you wouldn't want to win because you felt bad about an 'integrity' thing.
Do you call questionable fouls on yourself... do you really say "I think that was a foul, but I'm not sure.. .but go ahead... take ball in hand. Or, even just picking up the cue ball and handing it to your opponent????
Obvious Fouls are easy.. .very easy.
IMO no one should ever tell their opponent they are shooting the wrong ball. You should learn from your mistakes and denying your opponent of a lesson learned is just not good sportsmanship. If you are in a teaching game, that is very different. Yes by all means teach that player how to count.
Hmmm
Again, not my job to tell other folks who are trying to beat me how to shoot, what shots to take, what shots not to take, when to place safety, when they are turning their wrists, when they are jumping up on their shots, when they are drinking too much, when they shoot with their break stick, when they don't chalk after each shot, when to take a piss...etc.
Be that as it may, that as much as I want to win, and I'm going to do everything legally allowed win, I"m gonna play safety, I'm gonna tie up his balls, I'm gonna shoot his balls in a pocket, etc...
I'm NOT gonna cheat them to obtain a hollow victory. If I make a mistake, I tell them. In leagues, you have players walking by, waitresses bringing over drinks, other league players waving hello as they walk by, that yes, my opponenet could be distracted and NOT see me foul, but it still would not matter, I fouled, he gets BIH, those are the rules.
Pretty simple really....of course you are the only person not getting this. Now if someone wants to tell their opponent they are shooting the wrong ball...props to them. But they better call their own fouls because only a cheater won't do that.
And like every other pool player on the planet, I have shot at the wrong ball on more than one occasion. Never got reminded and never got made (except at myself)........
Again, not my job to tell other folks who are trying to beat me how to shoot, what shots to take, what shots not to take, when to place safety, when they are turning their wrists, when they are jumping up on their shots, when they are drinking too much, when they shoot with their break stick, when they don't chalk after each shot, when to take a piss...etc.
Be that as it may, that as much as I want to win, and I'm going to do everything legally allowed win, I"m gonna play safety, I'm gonna tie up his balls, I'm gonna shoot his balls in a pocket, etc...
I'm NOT gonna cheat them to obtain a hollow victory. If I make a mistake, I tell them. In leagues, you have players walking by, waitresses bringing over drinks, other league players waving hello as they walk by, that yes, my opponenet could be distracted and NOT see me foul, but it still would not matter, I fouled, he gets BIH, those are the rules.
Pretty simple really....of course you are the only person not getting this. Now if someone wants to tell their opponent they are shooting the wrong ball...props to them. But they better call their own fouls because only a cheater won't do that.
And like every other pool player on the planet, I have shot at the wrong ball on more than one occasion. Never got reminded and never got made (except at myself)........
when i made a thread about this same topic a few weeks back,i cleary stated i was talking about playing 1pocket and very very close fouls,as in the cue ball touching or not touching the rail after a good hit,and as u just said if my opponent didnt say anything then he must of not seen it as a foul,so thats what i have ment by not calling fouls on my self.now if its an obvious foul then i just spot one up.
rj i understand your point,i am talking about gambling,not pool league nite,as i said above about 1pocket and very close hits,maybe iam just old school cause in my time i seen the best players playing one and other for large amounts and never have i seen an old great player call a foul on himself in a close sitution without the other player questioning the hit!rj u have ur view and i have mine and i respect yours,but just because i dont call fouls on my self that does not make me a cheater,ask some of the older players on 1pocket org, then u would understand where i am coming from,but if not,u r still my az brother take care and have a good nite RJ!
that's true
One side note
If I'm just playing as an individual (tournament), I may call a foul on myself. However, when playing on my league team, I may not because my teammates insist that you don't call a foul on yourself- that you are only supposed to admit it if the opponent calls you on it- so I usually follow the team captain's guidelines in order to be a good team player
Foul (sportmanship) or (FU you should have seen it)
It's funny this thread came up! Cause it happened to me This Sat 5/13/2011 at a tri-State Tournament at Castle Billiards. 55 Players showed up. My 1st round I was
Playing against (Mike Harrington) From what I was told from Mike Zimmy & later from someone else. He fouled when we were hill/hill on the 8 ball
I was blocked behind him & didn't want to move or I might have Sharked him. LOL Joke was on me because i was a sportman didn't see the foul.
Just remember folks what ever comes around goes around
I will continue to be a sportsman about my fouls Because most of us are honest. But if I ever play someone like that it will be hard.
It's funny this thread came up! Cause it happened to me This Sat 5/13/2011 at a tri-State Tournament at Castle Billiards. 55 Players showed up. My 1st round I was
Playing against (Mike Harrington) From what I was told from Mike Zimmy & later from someone else. He fouled when we were hill/hill on the 8 ball
I was blocked behind him & didn't want to move or I might have Sharked him. LOL Joke was on me because i was a sportman didn't see the foul.
Just remember folks what ever comes around goes around
I will continue to be a sportsman about my fouls Because most of us are honest. But if I ever play someone like that it will be hard.
This should be addressed in the rules. A player should not be put on a guilt trip. Just make the rules and I will use that as my ethical standard.
It's funny this thread came up! Cause it happened to me This Sat 5/13/2011 at a tri-State Tournament at Castle Billiards. 55 Players showed up. My 1st round I was
Playing against (Mike Harrington) From what I was told from Mike Zimmy & later from someone else. He fouled when we were hill/hill on the 8 ball
I was blocked behind him & didn't want to move or I might have Sharked him. LOL Joke was on me because i was a sportman didn't see the foul.
Just remember folks what ever comes around goes around
I will continue to be a sportsman about my fouls Because most of us are honest. But if I ever play someone like that it will be hard.
Well u should b mad you had a restricked view and he obvious foul if that was me i would of gave u ball in hand without u asking,what i was talking about on here earlier is totally something different,i was talking about some one looking at a very close call and not asking if it was or was not a foul.enough is enough for me i just hope u all no what i am talking about,an i am not trying to cheat any one,if its close all my opponent has to do is ask my opinion.iam not going to call it on my self.
I always call the foul on myself. I can't think of anything I hate more than someone saying foul right away. I always give the shooter a second to tell me they fouled or give me the cue ball and would love to have that same opportunity. I hate it, it happens a lot during league matches but not so much gambling or in pool rooms. Drives me nuts.
It's funny this thread came up! Cause it happened to me This Sat 5/13/2011 at a tri-State Tournament at Castle Billiards. 55 Players showed up. My 1st round I was
Playing against (Mike Harrington) From what I was told from Mike Zimmy & later from someone else. He fouled when we were hill/hill on the 8 ball
I was blocked behind him & didn't want to move or I might have Sharked him. LOL Joke was on me because i was a sportman didn't see the foul.
Just remember folks what ever comes around goes around
I will continue to be a sportsman about my fouls Because most of us are honest. But if I ever play someone like that it will be hard.
There was several mistakes made in that scenario. First,,hill/hill he is on the 8 and you couldn't see the shot!! I would have moved for a better view,,no question about it.
2nd. Since you didn't see what happened.(not sure if was a close hit or what foul) But did you ask him if it was a good hit??
I am very honest ,,,,and I don't think it is his job to tell you that he made a foul in that situation ,,unless you ask!!
I had a situation in a team event,2 games left,mine is one,,,very important games. My opponent shooting at 2 ball down table is hooked by 8 ball. He has to mass'e around it slightly.
I'm watching and both teams are watching. He shoots,,hits, but misses the 2,,,,,,but I seen the 8 wiggle from the cue on the way by!He walked away from the table.
When I say wiggle ,,I mean very very small !! I was the only one other than him that seen it move and there was 16 eyes on the shot.He didn't say a thing and this was a matter of the win or loss for his team . (Cue was hooked for me)
I walked over to him and asked if the 8 ball wiggled in front of everyone. He said all choked up,,," I did not feel obligated ,at this point, to say anything,but YES it did, you have BIH"
I really don't blame him for not saying anything until I asked,but Im glad he was honest about it. Did he break any rules? NO!! Did he cheat?? NO! I give him allot of respect for that.
SIR thank you,this here is exactly what iam trying to say!thank you.