Official 14.1 High Runs

John Schmidt did run exactly 400 but he also has an additional run of 403.

I know - I posted that before the 403 happened. IIRC, John ran his 403 the first night he used an OB-1 shaft.

Here's an interesting bit of trivia - Thorsten Hohmann has run over 200 balls only once - that was when he ran his 408.
 
I know - I posted that before the 403 happened. IIRC, John ran his 403 the first night he used an OB-1 shaft.

Here's an interesting bit of trivia - Thorsten Hohmann has run over 200 balls only once - that was when he ran his 408.

Really? I thought someone who knows Thorsten well posted on here awhile ago that Throsten has run 386 and another in the 360's. Don't know if it's true or not.
 
Really? I thought someone who knows Thorsten well posted on here awhile ago that Throsten has run 386 and another in the 360's. Don't know if it's true or not.

I remember hearing him state that he stops at 150 or 200 in practice because that's the length of the matches.
 
I remember hearing him state that he stops at 150 or 200 in practice because that's the length of the matches.

I remember a poster, NYC cuedude I think, once posted here that he saw Thorsten run 158 at his poolroom and the room wanted to post the run up on their high run list but Thorsten insisted that he would be embarrassed to have such a low run listed next to his name and he said something like "I regularly have much bigger runs than this, I'll run a higher run that you can list". This leads me to believe he has run over 200 balls a lot. Don't know how true it is, just what I remember reading.
 
I think it's a crying shame that you can't even find an official or unofficial list of the top 14.1 runs of all time. Imagine not being able to find the top career home run leaders compiled? I figure we should try and compile at least an unofficial list here on this forum. I've listed below the best runs I've ever heard of, they're only runs I've heard from at least one reputable source, but some of the runs are more commonly known.

1- 625 Michael Eufemia (4 x 8 table?) 2- 526 Willie Mosconi (4 x 8 table)
3- 491 Thomas Engert
4- 430 Gene Nagy
5- 429 Dallas West
6- 426 Ray Martin
7- 421 Allen Hopkins
8- 408 Thorsten Hohmann
9- 408 Earl Strickland
10- 403 John Schmidt
11- 396 Jose Garcia

Anyone want to add to the list? Any German posters here? Surely Souquet or Ortmann have impressive runs.


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I can add one but only anecdotally. I was at the US open straight pool tournament in Chicago. I was sitting in the Magic chef down stairs eating with Cue Ball Kelly. He told me a few days before he was racking the balls for Arthur Cranfield and he ran 401.
 
I can add one but only anecdotally. I was at the US open straight pool tournament in Chicago. I was sitting in the Magic chef down stairs eating with Cue Ball Kelly. He told me a few days before he was racking the balls for Arthur Cranfield and he ran 401.
Cranfield claimed to have run 768 in practice. I believe him. If anyone wants to set the practice run record, that's the one to shoot for.

The tournament high run is 182 by Joe Procita in 1954 versus Mosconi on a 10-foot table.​
John Schmidt nearly beat that with his 171 at DCC.
 
Cranfield claimed to have run 768 in practice. I believe him. If anyone wants to set the practice run record, that's the one to shoot for.

The tournament high run is 182 by Joe Procita in 1954 versus Mosconi on a 10-foot table.​
John Schmidt nearly beat that with his 171 at DCC.

Bob, why wouldn't Euphemia's run in practice of 1100+ be the one to shoot for?? Another poster posted that there is a plaque in some room testifying to it.
 
Cranfield claimed to have run 768 in practice. I believe him. If anyone wants to set the practice run record, that's the one to shoot for.

The tournament high run is 182 by Joe Procita in 1954 versus Mosconi on a 10-foot table.​
John Schmidt nearly beat that with his 171 at DCC.

Was that a game to 200 or did they continue after they won the game?
 
Bob, why wouldn't Euphemia's run in practice of 1100+ be the one to shoot for?? Another poster posted that there is a plaque in some room testifying to it.
I have never heard of that. The Eufemia claim I know of was for 625.
 
Was (Procita's run in) a game to 200 or did they continue after they won the game?
I think continuing after the end of a match is a modern innovation.

Procita was playing in a match format that would have allowed runs of 1000 or 1500 in competition. They played challenge matches in blocks, which means they might have played until one player had a total of 150 (or so) (and then mark the balls at the end of the rack) and then a second session until one of the two players had 300, and then 450, and so on. You could run balls across an intermission, or if you were behind 750-373, you could run to 900 in one session, which would be 527, to be continued the following session.

Mosconi won several of his championships in such long challenge matches. I was told that his competition was not expected to get past 70% of the required total regardless of the opponent.
 
In my personal opinion, having been around pool players almost my entire life, any of these super high runs in practice are probably inflated. Unless you have actual proof like video or a tournament situation then I don't think anything should stand as a "record" high run. Hey, not that I could even come close to any of them, it's just how I feel about it. Like this thing with Efren rumored to have run 300. I'm sure he could if he buckled down and went for it, but the rumor was 300 then someone else said it was in the mid 200's. What are you supposed to believe. I agree with Bob 110% that it's a damn shame that official records aren't kept about things like this.
MULLY
 
Blackjack, in response to the greenie you left me. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone said Efren ran a thousand. As for plenty of people I've never heard of running 200's, I'm sure there are. I'm not trying to say that people don't or haven't, only that "word of mouth" isn't the best way to confirm something. Pool really does need stats to be kept on a regular basis.
MULLY
 
Blackjack, in response to the greenie you left me. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone said Efren ran a thousand. As for plenty of people I've never heard of running 200's, I'm sure there are. I'm not trying to say that people don't or haven't, only that "word of mouth" isn't the best way to confirm something. Pool really does need stats to be kept on a regular basis.
MULLY

In practice it's tough to keep track. Think of it like batting practice. You won't ever see stats on how many home runs someone hit in BP. I'm nearly positive that someone has completely zoned out and had no idea of how many balls they ran. I've done it in 9 ball and had no idea what I did until someone told me (B&R 10 racks and I don't remember one bit of it) so I am sure someone who plays on that level has done it.
 
found this thread after seeing john schmidt play at the billiard exposition in oaks, PA this past sunday.

a few quick stories:

about 35 years ago i witnessed a match between gene nagy and cicero murphy on queens blvd. in new york. murphy and his backers pulled up in a cadillac limo. they were playing to 125, i believe. after two games, murphy's backers threw the towel in. nagy was in dead-stroke and he talked trash while he was at the table.

saw irving crane play a match in queens. he was on a run of 96 and the 97th ball was dead center but hit some bump and popped back out.

big 3-cushion tournament at McGirrs in the 70s. the best players in the country were there. george mikula won the tournament.

i am from the bronx. in the '60s there was a guy named harvey mason who was better than anyone in the room i played in. his daughter went on to become a professional pool player. anyone know how good he was?

pressure - the man regarded as the best 3-cushion player in the world is dick jaspers from the netherlands. last year jaspers was playing a match against a young fellow from greece named filippos kasidokostas. the match was to 50. jaspers was leading 39-29. kasidokostas gets up and runs 21 and out.

snooker - ronny o'sullivan - perfect 143 in record-breaking time (on youtube).
 
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Actually Thorsten ran 404, Wolfgang (his friend who he played against) told me that some years ago.
He took a picture of the scoresheet, cause they played two consecutive 14/1 that day, and Thorsten already ran about 160~180 in the first one (don't remember the exact number).

Here's what Thorsten posted in his old blog, he mentioned the 404...(and what he called his error 404)

http://thorstenhohmann.blogspot.de/2008/07/fulda.html?m=1

http://thorstenhohmann.blogspot.de/2007/09/error-404-lucky-error_22.html?m=1
 
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In 2013 in the 73rd Olhausen World Tournament of 14.1 - Darren Appleton ran 200 and out in the semi's. I believe that's the new competition record.

Good shooting to all,

Kevin
 
Actually Thorsten ran 404, Wolfgang (his friend who he played against) told me that some years ago.
He took a picture of the scoresheet, cause they played two consecutive 14/1 that day, and Thorsten already ran about 160~180 in the first one (don't remember the exact number).

Here's what Thorsten posted in his old blog, he mentioned the 404...(and what he called his error 404)

http://thorstenhohmann.blogspot.de/2008/07/fulda.html?m=1

http://thorstenhohmann.blogspot.de/2007/09/error-404-lucky-error_22.html?m=1

Now wait a minute. Forget about the 404 in 14.1. Did I read correctly that Thorsten had never had a drink of German beer until his 29th birthday, which was about 6 years ago?:eek:
 
In my presence, Jack Colavita ran about 245 against a rock solid shortstop named George Pharo at the Golden Q in Queens. I recall Jack indicating it was his all-time high. My best guess is that the run occurred in either 1985 or 1986. Perhaps he ran more than that at a later date, but, if so, I never heard about it.

I've heard a few suggest that Babe Cranfield may have had more 300 ball runs than any other player in history. He is reputed to have run over 700 in practice..........twice.

New York City's best straight pooler of the last thirty years may well have been Pete Margo of Staten Island, but I have no idea what his high run is.

Jack's High run was 385 when he played at Brentwood Billiards in Wayne Nj this was about 2001

From what I understand Peter Margo's high run was 198
 
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