Oh my god can you believe this????

Fast Lenny said:
Im just curious to know if SW is supposed to be such a great cue then why do alot of them seem to roll funny?,seems like there cue construction needs alittle bit of work.
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construction's got nothing to do with it. think about it....cues are made of wood and as a material, wood is "alive", not dead, in that it continually will move with atmospheric changes like humidity, temp, etc. any cue is prone to some degree of warpage under such conditions. cues or more commonly shafts may be shipped from X to Y and upon receipt may look somewhat warped, sit for a few weeks or months and then suddenly and mysteriously look straight again. or they may initally look straight, then exhibit a little warpage after a certain period of time.

people....many including myself have said here many times before that "dead straight" is the exception, not the norm, when it comes to wooden pool cues. people have unreasonable and WRONG expectations when they think a well-played cue should always be "dead straight" and anything less than that is unacceptable. however, that being said, if a buyer is unhappy due to whatever unadvertised degree of warpage there is, he should imo be entitled to a refund unless something is advertised "sold as-is, no refunds".

btw, "parabolic taper run-out"......pure 100% hogwash
 
Something I just remembered about an old cue (which I still have). It's just a low-end McDermott, but still...

So I used to keep this cue in one of those cheapo floppy soft cases, and usually left it in my car, in the backseat. My old car had a hump running down the center so the floorboard area was kinda 'split'. This car also had this annoying tendency to collect WATER in the floorboard area behind the drivers seat. (Never found out why before I got rid of the car.)

One time the cue case was sitting in the floorboard area when water mysteriously decided to collect, and the water soaked through the case and into the cue, warping it. Grr! I figured it was ruined, so I just threw it in a closet.

A few months later, I was chatting with a friend who I shot with some. Turns out he'd had something similar happen - his cue got damp, and warped. But he pulled his cue out and it had eventually straightened itself out. I went home, pulled my cue out of the closet, put it together, and damn if it wasn't straight again!

So I wonder if something similar happened here - in the shipping process, maybe the temperature conditions the cue was exposed to caused it to warp a bit. It seems it was shipped from Singapore, which means a long flight with in a plane's cargo area, which is always pretty cold. And maybe, if it were to sit around for a while at normal room temp, it might revert back. *shrug*
 
Bishop said:
I like dirty laundry keep talking guys.
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The end of my Junior year of high school, I was molested by my Algebra teacher.... This one never got caught, though...

Damn, she was hot too.... fresh out of college.. Too bad she got fired after only teaching for one semester. :(
 
ScottW said:
Something I just remembered about an old cue (which I still have). It's just a low-end McDermott, but still...

So I used to keep this cue in one of those cheapo floppy soft cases, and usually left it in my car, in the backseat. My old car had a hump running down the center so the floorboard area was kinda 'split'. This car also had this annoying tendency to collect WATER in the floorboard area behind the drivers seat. (Never found out why before I got rid of the car.)

One time the cue case was sitting in the floorboard area when water mysteriously decided to collect, and the water soaked through the case and into the cue, warping it. Grr! I figured it was ruined, so I just threw it in a closet.

A few months later, I was chatting with a friend who I shot with some. Turns out he'd had something similar happen - his cue got damp, and warped. But he pulled his cue out and it had eventually straightened itself out. I went home, pulled my cue out of the closet, put it together, and damn if it wasn't straight again!

So I wonder if something similar happened here - in the shipping process, maybe the temperature conditions the cue was exposed to caused it to warp a bit. It seems it was shipped from Singapore, which means a long flight with in a plane's cargo area, which is always pretty cold. And maybe, if it were to sit around for a while at normal room temp, it might revert back. *shrug*
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I have an untested hypothesis that for any cue that started out straight (after being gradually turned down) and has not been abused, there exists a temperature and humidity level at which the cue will be straight. This temperature and humidity level probably coincides with the temperature and humidity level of the cue maker's shop when the cue was made. However, there also likely exists temperature and humidity levels at which the cue will not be straight.

Thus, I would not be surprised if this particular cue is straight again by the time Thingie gets it back, or shortly after.

Good Rolls,
Rasta
 
Hal,

Sorry to see you have a problem. I got a solution for YOU...

Sell the cue here, lets say you get 1500.00 then let thingie send you the rest when he gets it.. might be a month, two, a year. Don't worry about it.. I am sure thingie has never had a problem before and I am sure it won't happen again.... just hope thingie didn't sell it for a "friend"..

JV (---just a joke.. I am sure thingie is stand up and will send the refund.
 
classiccues said:
Hal,

Sorry to see you have a problem. I got a solution for YOU...

Sell the cue here, lets say you get 1500.00 then let thingie send you the rest when he gets it.. might be a month, two, a year. Don't worry about it.. I am sure thingie has never had a problem before and I am sure it won't happen again.... just hope thingie didn't sell it for a "friend"..

JV (---just a joke.. I am sure thingie is stand up and will send the refund.
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Well I guess this has evolved into a case of who should do the first move and then I do sort of thing. In the end, this will only result in delays of both parties which will not be ideal, why don't you 2 guys compromise and take a step back to resolve. Proper negotiation is way better than a war of words.
 
ScottW said:
Something I just remembered about an old cue (which I still have). It's just a low-end McDermott, but still...

So I used to keep this cue in one of those cheapo floppy soft cases, and usually left it in my car, in the backseat. My old car had a hump running down the center so the floorboard area was kinda 'split'. This car also had this annoying tendency to collect WATER in the floorboard area behind the drivers seat. (Never found out why before I got rid of the car.)

One time the cue case was sitting in the floorboard area when water mysteriously decided to collect, and the water soaked through the case and into the cue, warping it. Grr! I figured it was ruined, so I just threw it in a closet.

A few months later, I was chatting with a friend who I shot with some. Turns out he'd had something similar happen - his cue got damp, and warped. But he pulled his cue out and it had eventually straightened itself out. I went home, pulled my cue out of the closet, put it together, and damn if it wasn't straight again!

So I wonder if something similar happened here - in the shipping process, maybe the temperature conditions the cue was exposed to caused it to warp a bit. It seems it was shipped from Singapore, which means a long flight with in a plane's cargo area, which is always pretty cold. And maybe, if it were to sit around for a while at normal room temp, it might revert back. *shrug*
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Some older vehicles had leaks around the windshield which when it rained hard the water would seep in and go down behind the dash in front of the carpet then under it settling under where you described.it's like a leak in a house roof,the water is several if not many feet away from the actual leak..hope this helps to solve your mystery.......also as you stated a great difference in temps. during shipping and the moisture in the air can/may cause a difference in the woods stability..plane cargo holds are known to freeze...this was an excellent point you brought up...:)
 
cuejoey said:
Some older vehicles had leaks around the windshield which when it rained hard the water would seep in and go down behind the dash in front of the carpet then under it settling under where you described.it's like a leak in a house roof,the water is several if not many feet away from the actual leak..hope this helps to solve your mystery.......also as you stated a great difference in temps. during shipping and the moisture in the air can/may cause a difference in the woods stability..plane cargo holds are known to freeze...this was an excellent point you brought up...:)
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As far as my old car (it was a VW Passat), water would pool up between rainstorms. The water was coming from somewhere INSIDE the car. Strangest thing...

And as far as the temperature thing... I'd suggest Hal sit on the cue for a bit (not literally, har har) and see if it doesn't straighten out... but I doubt he'll do that. *shrug*
 
I think Hal should get the $2000 reward for returning the warped cue. No questions asked.
 
I have given him two options.

1. Refund me $2050 and I'll return the cue.

2. Refund me $550 (including the $50 I have already been given) and I'll keep the cue. I think this is a fair amount given the condition of the cue.
 
Hal said:
I have given him two options.

1. Refund me $2050 and I'll return the cue.

2. Refund me $550 (including the $50 I have already been given) and I'll keep the cue. I think this is a fair amount given the condition of the cue.
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Sounds reasonable to me.
 
Here is how another Azer is handling a similar situation.

This is not a large amount but neither is it a smaller amount.

You have to consider what both party would be thinking right now.

"what if I send the money and the cue is not returned."

"what if I send the cue and the money is not returned."

"what if the cue was returned not in the same condition it was sent."

"what if the cue was returned and the seller decides that only a partial refund would be honored as it was not in the original condition."

etc etc..........

This is a difficult situation. You both could try escrow or a third party intervention.

But please. Do try to settle this amicably.

Best regards
Chris
 
MasterClass said:
Here is how another Azer is handling a similar situation.

This is not a large amount but neither is it a smaller amount.

You have to consider what both party would be thinking right now.

"what if I send the money and the cue is not returned."

"what if I send the cue and the money is not returned."

"what if the cue was returned not in the same condition it was sent."

"what if the cue was returned and the seller decides that only a partial refund would be honored as it was not in the original condition."

etc etc..........

This is a difficult situation. You both could try escrow or a third party intervention.

But please. Do try to settle this amicably.

Best regards
Chris
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What is a real ***** about this situation is that BOTH parties involved are highly respected very honest people..this is why i rarely buy anything without seeing it first..i had one MAJOR transaction in my life that was with Chris Hightower of Hightowercues.com everything was done over the phone from a long distance between us and everything went better than my best expectations..
 
I will agree to sending the cue to Mr. Wilson and allowing him to hold the cue until I get my refund. Under no circumstances will I agree to the cue going back to the owner before I get a full refund.

I paid for the cue and he shipped it to me. Now it's his turn to pay me and I'll ship the cue.

I trusted him to mail the cue when I sent $2100 to him via paypal. Now I expect him to trust me to ship the cue back to him when he paypals me the refund that he has promised.

Any reputable seller would have no problem with a full refund.
 
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Hal said:
Any reputable seller would have no problem with a full refund.
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And indeed there should be no question about a refund now especially since the seller has already agreed to it.

But i do recommend sending it to proficient. I just did so with my southwest. Their service is reliable and professional.

Also i am really curious to know what is their opinion on the cue. The best way to determine the extend of the wobble is really to turn it on a lathe. But then again it is between you 2.

Good luck

Best regards
Chris
 
I will keep the cue IF we can agree on an appropriate cash settlement.
 
wood moving

cueaddicts said:
construction's got nothing to do with it. think about it....cues are made of wood and as a material, wood is "alive", not dead, in that it continually will move with atmospheric changes like humidity, temp, etc. any cue is prone to some degree of warpage under such conditions. cues or more commonly shafts may be shipped from X to Y and upon receipt may look somewhat warped, sit for a few weeks or months and then suddenly and mysteriously look straight again. or they may initally look straight, then exhibit a little warpage after a certain period of time.

btw, "parabolic taper run-out"......pure 100% hogwash
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when i recieved my last new cue from south west it appeared to be warped,i was dissapointed to say the least,i called laurie and she said she would do whatever it would take to fix the problem but she asked me if it was raining here which it was and she said to hold on to the cue till the humidity levels went down again to see if it would straighten out which it did,she explained how in L.V. their is low humidity and dayton oh. has high humidity and that sometimes wood will move becouse of this,i've had the cue since 03 and no problems since then.
 
1pRoscoe said:
The end of my Junior year of high school, I was molested by my Algebra teacher.... This one never got caught, though...

Damn, she was hot too.... fresh out of college.. Too bad she got fired after only teaching for one semester. :(
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hahahaha great story
 
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