Old 8 ball rules

Ah Hu, I missed this the first time, but I won't let it get by again. And sorry for the diversion folks, but . . .

Beautiful women were found all across south Louisiana, but what so many people fail to realize is that the beauty which baffled was not just the result of French genetics. For good measure, there was also a large dose of Spanish heritage involved -- think dark hair and darker, flashing, eyes. The area around Lafayette, especially New Iberia (go figure) was especially blessed with these graces. Then, getting over toward New Orleans, one's mind must be turned to the real, true, gumbo -- Creoles. Regardless of their bloodlines, all Louisiana girls were imbued with a certain je ne sais quoi. I also think they must have been first taught to flirt in kindergarten, because they communicated so almost as a second nature. The French may have said it best: "vive le difference".

Sadly, as Hu observed, nothing stays the same. but this is how it was in the 70's. However, the insular quality of our area has been besieged. Television is slowly stifling all patois.

Yeah, over the years aside from individual immigrants Louisiana had the original Spanish, the French twice, German, I don't know who all. I am a few miles from Hungarian Settlement. Interestingly, coonass was probably originally conais or similar spelling. The first French most of the Spanish settlers saw were long hunters who would travel a year or two collecting furs. Conais meant long traveler or similar.

I am of little or no French blood but was born on the bayou, Latte Nache bayou. Hard to find on a map plus I have seen at least a half dozen different spellings. Three generations of Cajuns lived next door. The oldest spoke no english, the next generation almost none. Our playmate Junior was a victim of the forced assimilation and spoke english. No surprise, my first crush when I was tiny was pure Cajun Suzanne R. I had a good eye even then, she grew up to be the town beauty! Small town it is true but she could have held her own in good company too.

These days I am reminded of an old WWII vet. He finally made it back to Paris. He said "I really wanted to come back in the fifties."

"You mean when Paris was still Paris?"

"No, when Johnson was still Johnson!"

I would still like to take a ride through Acadiana, the heart of Cajun Louisiana. Unlikely to find anything except graveyards and a few old memories. Twenty years or so ago I got into outdoor photography and that is beautiful country to photograph. I passed by a few hulls of buildings I remembered, sometimes just an old sign. I remembered one rusty old sign, Signorello's. Slicks as it was more commonly called. It was an almost every weekend trip during high school. Beautiful girls everywhere! When I was about twenty-five my Cajun running buddy and I went back to Slicks. We looked around a bit. "Babies have taken over!" It took awhile for me to realize, we were babies too when we went there. Did have to be careful. If she was there with family a girl might be twelve years old. Papa might let you dance with her, politely, but that was as far as it went. Not that I was chasing twelve year olds even at fourteen or fifteen but the only sign might be that she was drinking a coke.

Old thread revived older memories.

Hu
 
Yeah, over the years aside from individual immigrants Louisiana had the original Spanish, the French twice, German, I don't know who all. I am a few miles from Hungarian Settlement. Interestingly, coonass was probably originally conais or similar spelling. The first French most of the Spanish settlers saw were long hunters who would travel a year or two collecting furs. Conais meant long traveler or similar.

I’ve now lived in South Louisiana for 16 years and I still get confused sometimes. Just the other day I met a girl who said she was from the town Robert - and she pronounced it “Robert” with the hard “t” like it would be pronounced in English.

For the life of me I would have thought that town would have gone with the more French pronunciation of “Ro-bear”.
 
I’ve now lived in South Louisiana for 16 years and I still get confused sometimes. Just the other day I met a girl who said she was from the town Robert - and she pronounced it “Robert” with the hard “t” like it would be pronounced in English.

For the life of me I would have thought that town would have gone with the more French pronunciation of “Ro-bear”.

Could be a no win situation. I have met more people pronouncing it Robert around New Orleans, more above the unofficial mason-dixie line of I-10, I-12 calling it Robear. Around Lafayette and the deep cajun country it is more likely to be Robear.

There was a push to force Cajuns to be Americans just like the push to make Indians Americans, never mind that both were here first! Last names got anglicized, many words too. Hard to convert some though. Even in high school there were some who were gathered up from cabins and small communities and rode the school boat to school. These people still spoke Cajun at home. Now, after trying to kill Cajun french for decades, it is trying to be brought back. They hired instructors from Belgium to teach it. ...

One funny, I was foreman of a widespread crew. Four of my men who always worked together were from Bayou Blue. One spoke english and I would give him instructions to relay to the others. He got sick one week so I went to grab a Cajun friend from somewhere else on my crew to relay instructions. "Can't help you. They speak Bayou Blue. We can't understand them either!"

I guess a dialect from some small place in France, maybe it developed in Bayou Blue. I had a good friend from there. His first cousin is my oldest living friend, met him in the third grade. Both of us fiddle-footed I met up with him three times in our school years, at three different schools!

Hu
 
I just started playing pool and I play with some older guys who sort of remember the rules from the 60s and 70s. Playing 8 ball (and only the devil would use BIH anywhere). Different guys have different memories and I'm trying to make peace with their various rules and memories.

If anyone remembers those days...when 8-ball fouls gave you ball in hand behind the headstring...

1. If you scratched the cue ball, and one of your balls was sunk, did the ball come up and get spotted?

2. If you scratched the cue ball, and one of your balls was not sunk, did one of yours come up anyway?

3. If the answer to 2 is yes, and you had no balls already sunk, did you "owe a ball" to come up later?

Thanks
When I first started getting into pool I recall playing by rules and I don't think I just made them up:

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
 
I just started playing pool and I play with some older guys who sort of remember the rules from the 60s and 70s. Playing 8 ball (and only the devil would use BIH anywhere). Different guys have different memories and I'm trying to make peace with their various rules and memories.

If anyone remembers those days...when 8-ball fouls gave you ball in hand behind the headstring...

1. If you scratched the cue ball, and one of your balls was sunk, did the ball come up and get spotted?

2. If you scratched the cue ball, and one of your balls was not sunk, did one of yours come up anyway?

3. If the answer to 2 is yes, and you had no balls already sunk, did you "owe a ball" to come up later?

Thanks
1 yes. 2 no. 3 no.
Hadn't thot about that in a while. Lol.
 
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I liked to just wade in amongst them! As you know, it wasn't that uncommon for some creative rules making to take place when you are a stranger from afar anyway. When that happens the locals are usually snickering a bit about how dumb the stranger is. They usually laugh out load when I catch my opponent with his own made up rule later in the match up though!

The road has been calling me lately. Not really just the road, old times in general. Fill the truck up with gas, stick a twenty in my pocket leaving the rest of my cash tucked away and on the road for a few days, maybe a few weeks. Once in awhile a few hours! Maybe you ought to come down. We could head to Acadiana, find us a couple of cajun queens of the female variety and party till the sun comes up. Sleep until two or three PM and do it all again! Play enough pool or cards to finance all the trouble we could get into and see if there is anyplace left where english is still the second language. That is the only way for a girl to get a real cajun accent, something that still makes my heart go pitter-patter.

Ah well, I can dream. Nothing is like it used to be, including me!

Hu
As long as the plumbing still works, you're good to go!!👍🏻
 
You two are talking about two different organizations. Willow is talking about BCA Pool League, which are the CSI rules. Those rules use full table ball in hand after a scratch on the break. This has definitely increased the number of ERO for amateurs.

Tomato, you are talking about BCA rules, which follow WPA rules. 8-ball tournaments sanctioned by those rules should be sticking with in ball in hand behind the head string or scratches on the brake.
Thank you for the clarification. That’s weird that the BCA pool league doesn’t use the BCA rules.
 
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Thank you for the clarification. That’s weird that the BCA league doesn’t use the BCA rules.
The BCAPL (league system) stopped being associated with the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) almost 20 years ago when some board members of the BCA forced the BCA to get rid of its leagues. Many think that was a really stupid, broken thing to do.

The BCAPL league system, then completely separate from the BCA, made its own set of rules, mostly the same as the BCA rules. The company that owns the BCAPL is CSI, which originally belonged to Mark Griffin.

The letters B, C, and A in BCAPL no longer have any meaning, they are just letters. They were kept so the league system didn't have to rebrand which would have confused the members. The BCA sued CSI to get those letters removed, but did not succeed, as there was a written agreement that they could continue to be used.

All in all, rather sad politics.

The BCA is the North American member of the WPA and is responsible for the organization and development of pool in North America. As a WPA member, it is obligated to use the WPA's World Standardized Rules.
 
The BCAPL (league system) stopped being associated with the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) almost 20 years ago when some board members of the BCA forced the BCA to get rid of its leagues. Many think that was a really stupid, broken thing to do.

The BCAPL league system, then completely separate from the BCA, made its own set of rules, mostly the same as the BCA rules. The company that owns the BCAPL is CSI, which originally belonged to Mark Griffin.

The letters B, C, and A in BCAPL no longer have any meaning, they are just letters. They were kept so the league system didn't have to rebrand which would have confused the members. The BCA sued CSI to get those letters removed, but did not succeed, as there was a written agreement that they could continue to be used.

All in all, rather sad politics.

The BCA is the North American member of the WPA and is responsible for the organization and development of pool in North America. As a WPA member, it is obligated to use the WPA's World Standardized Rules.
That is fascinating, and would have saved me in an argument in a tournament that was using BCAPL rules which I thought were BCA/WPA.
 
The BCAPL (league system) stopped being associated with the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) almost 20 years ago when some board members of the BCA forced the BCA to get rid of its leagues. Many think that was a really stupid, broken thing to do.

The BCAPL league system, then completely separate from the BCA, made its own set of rules, mostly the same as the BCA rules. The company that owns the BCAPL is CSI, which originally belonged to Mark Griffin.

The letters B, C, and A in BCAPL no longer have any meaning, they are just letters. They were kept so the league system didn't have to rebrand which would have confused the members. The BCA sued CSI to get those letters removed, but did not succeed, as there was a written agreement that they could continue to be used.

All in all, rather sad politics.

The BCA is the North American member of the WPA and is responsible for the organization and development of pool in North America. As a WPA member, it is obligated to use the WPA's World Standardized Rules.
Now it really makes sense because I stopped playing around 20 years ago and had no idea on all that.
 
That is fascinating, and would have saved me in an argument in a tournament that was using BCAPL rules which I thought were BCA/WPA.
Same. I argued on more than one occasion though.

I actually messaged the TD here after cornerman’s post that from now on he should list those 8 ball tournaments as CSI or BCA pool league 8 ball tournaments, not BCA. We have some strong players come through from out of town sometimes and he’s been listing as BCA.

And just to be a troll next time he posts it as BCA on Facebook I’m going to comment “BCA or BCAPL?”
 
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I remember locals always thought that if the cue ball didn't go 6 inches they got to hit it again. And they also thought players could have the same pocket in last pocket 8-ball......... no sense in arguing with the local know it alls. In regular 8-ball, calling every little kiss/rail going into your called 8-ball pocket is another story.
 
Same. I argued on more than one occasion though.

I actually messaged the TD here after cornerman’s post that from now on he should list those 8 ball tournaments as CSI or BCA pool league 8 ball tournaments, not BCA. We have some strong players come through from out of town sometimes and he’s been listing as BCA.

And just to be a troll next time he posts it as BCA on Facebook I’m going to comment “BCA or BCAPL?”
A lot of us sort of do this. Normally, we say, “I assume you’re asking about the BCAPL not the BCA trade organization,” or something similar.
 
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