Old idea for the new age of pool

Rather surprised at your comment. Are you really claiming that I and others can name NO successful billiard centers in the country?

After all, you yourself have added the name of a pool hall that you recommend on another thread!

Doing a search under "best pool halls" on AZ brings you MANY threads mentioning MANY pool halls. With your incredible number of posts, I'm thinking you must have seen a few mentions of money-making businesses.

I really believe your view of pool today is pretty accurate, but you try to deal in absolutes. There ARE businesses doing well, and they're mentioned often on AZ and seen in live streaming of tournaments. I've been to quite a few in my day. I'm not claiming that there is a fool-proof secret to success, but I don't know why some folks want to argue with my theory that basically says, "If you give people what they want, you have a much better chance of succeeding in business".

Yes, pool halls are currently dropping like flies. I think there are a number of reasons, the first being a lack of conscientious business owners.

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor

I'll argue with your theory. Throwing out a bunch of cliches like, "Give 'em what they want." isn't going to get it done, these days. The economy is in the tank and getting worse by the day. Enticing people through gimmicks, and promotions, isn't going to solve any long term problems either.
Putting workers back on the payroll in a sound and healthy economic environment is the only way to survival.
 
Are clean tables asking too much?

I'll argue with your theory. Throwing out a bunch of cliches like, "Give 'em what they want." isn't going to get it done, these days. The economy is in the tank and getting worse by the day. Enticing people through gimmicks, and promotions, isn't going to solve any long term problems either.
Putting workers back on the payroll in a sound and healthy economic environment is the only way to survival.

I thought it would be obvious what I meant by "Give them what they want".
I was referring to "wants" such as tables in good condition, clean bathrooms, breathable air, etc. If these are "gimmicks" then you're right. Would your business motto then be: "Don't give them what they want"?;)

Once again, what I'm saying is if you have five pool halls in your town, with four not maintaining their businesses and one giving customers what they want, won't owner #5 be likely to succeed as the others fold?

I'm rather tired of owners refusing to maintain conditions,losing business and then blaming it on the economy. The economy is certainly in trouble, but that doesn't mean that every business has to fail.

I'm not talking about saving the economy here, merely suggesting that pool could stand a little more effort from the business owners.

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
Rather surprised at your comment. Are you really claiming that I and others can name NO successful billiard centers in the country?

After all, you yourself have added the name of a pool hall that you recommend on another thread!...With your incredible number of posts, I'm thinking you must have seen a few mentions of money-making businesses.
Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
Don't stroke my wang, DL.

None that I know can operate without the owner working a lotta hours. A 40-80 hr work week to turn over 20$/ hr isn't 'success' to me.
 
Pot is not that legal in California is it?

I thought it was only kind of legal to the point where the feds still considered it a crime.


I live in California and I think they should make a Pool Hall and Pot House. There are hundreds of pot stores within 30 miles and they all are able to make a living. The trick would either to open a smokers friendly location or actually sell the evil weed right on site. You would not be able to sell alcohol though but I think you would make plenty off the marijuana sales. The pool tables would then be something that people pay for cause they want to hang out and smoke. There are several pot lounges and hash bars in this area and they all have a steady clientele.
 
Golden Break in Malaysia seems to be doing well. A combination of pool hall/pub. Today, they have just opened their 13th outlet and have just finished their 4th annual championship.

The owner cares about the sport and have been promoting it in Malaysia by bringing in players from all around Asia to play. Efren Reyes, Francisco Bustamante, Lee Vann Corteza, Ronnie Alcano, Jeff De Luna, Roberto Gomez, Ko Pin Chung, Ko Pin Yi and Chang Jun-Lin are just a few that I can name that joined in the event.
 
I have a strange and unique idea. How about combining a billiard center with an owner who cares about pool?

Yes, I'm half joking. But in recent years, it seems to be harder and harder to find a pool hall owned by someone who loves the game.

I've often felt the same way, and it's frustrating when both owner and employees clearly don't give a crap about the equipment, they see refelting as a necessary evil to do once every four years and allow people to sit on the rails and generally treat the table like patio furniture.

But really, you can get there without love of pool, by just having a smart and hard working manager who listens to his customers.

My case in point would be the Breakers in Herndon, VA. I've never seen the owner hit a ball, I don't even know if he plays. He says he's run several businesses but this is his first pool hall. In three years he turned a disaster zone into a fantastic place to play, with good tables, fresh cloth and rails, good food, booze, etc.

He's smart enough to understand that if he maintains the equipment, he keeps both bangers and serious players. And he cares enough to have a smoking area with several tables, and a nonsmoking area too, so nobody feels forced to go outside (or elsewhere). He has a lounge for people who expect karaoke, dancing, and so on, but the players aren't exposed to too much loud music, it's walled off. Everyone wins. According to him business is good (which I'm going to take as truth... I had to wait a few hours for a table yesterday).

Love of the game helps, but common sense business management can't be overstated.
 
Pot is not that legal in California is it?

I thought it was only kind of legal to the point where the feds still considered it a crime.


Sure is. Go to www.weedmaps.com and check out Santa Ana. You will find advertisements with complete menus to hundred of pot stores. All you need is a license from 1 of 500 doctors who hand out a 1 year prescription for illnesses such as stress, ADD, PMS, IBS etc. no previous diagnosis required.
 
Quoting out of context...

Don't stroke my wang, DL.

None that I know can operate without the owner working a lotta hours. A 40-80 hr work week to turn over 20$/ hr isn't 'success' to me.

You quoted me out of context. Your personal experience is just that: YOUR personal experience. Don't slam the rest of us whose personal experience is different than yours.

If you or another owner is working as many as 80 hrs a week and not showing a profit, might you be doing something wrong?

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor
 
You quoted me out of context. Your personal experience is just that: YOUR personal experience. Don't slam the rest of us whose personal experience is different than yours.

If you or another owner is working as many as 80 hrs a week and not showing a profit, might you be doing something wrong?

Donny L
PBIA/ACS Instructor

Like not having alcohol...yup!
 
I beg to differ- i have owned and ran a room for 13yr, and do not sell alcohol but am not sharing my secret here.!!!!! but i remember the days in ATLANTA {BIG TOWN} room and it was packed all day long and served the best irish stew you ever laped a lip around !!! but this was in early 60es. but all room was doing great. just saying!!!:thumbup:

I can remember a few decades ago that a no-booze room or 2 thrived around DC too. Miss those days, I do.
 
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