Old School 2 Pushout 9 Ball

[T411]

The Jansco's did not start Texas Express 9-Ball. It really began in earnest on the McDermott Tour. Randy G., John McChesney and the third partner (pls help me with the name here) created these new rules for 9-Ball.

Terry Bell and Larry Hubbard started Texas Express 9-Ball - APA Pool League.

 

[jay helfert]

Terry Bell and Larry Hubbard started Texas Express 9-Ball - APA Pool League.

I believe they came after the McDermott Tour guys as I recall, but one certainly adopted from the other. I do remember Terry and Larry touting it to their members.

 

[T411]

I believe they came after the McDermott Tour guys as I recall, but one certainly adopted from the other. I do remember Terry and Larry touting it to their members.

You may be right - APA started in 79. I’m not sure when the McDermott Tour started?

 

[336Robin]

The Jansco's did not start Texas Express 9-Ball. It really began in earnest on the McDermott Tour. Randy G., John McChesney and Robin Adair created these new rules for 9-Ball.

Interesting. I am told this was to make Pool more TV appealing.
Looking back at the old rules, some richness seems to have left with the changes.

 

[middleofnowhere]

That sir is pushout pool

In general push out you could push anytime from what I remember.

 

[Mensabum]

That is how I remember playing and scratches get ball in hand behind the line.
IF you scratch and a ball is made that ball spots up and you get the cue ball in the kitchen
and things keep rolling.

There are things about the old way that would appeal to some viewers but this is what we changed from
so there were obviously more people that wanted it changed.

I think it had a lot to do with guys putting together strings. Opposition doesn't like being confined to the chair, only to rise to a dead lock.

 

[336Robin]

I think it had a lot to do with guys putting together strings. Opposition doesn't like being confined to the chair, only to rise to a dead lock.

I heard that. Here is my take.

If the 9-ball changes were done to cater to a TV audience, that assumption may have failed because Pool is rarely on TV anymore.
It is on YouTube and its available in quantity so few people who aren't players pay something to view it.

It's my opinion that give the relatively few views we get for Pool ( based on 1/2 cent per view YouTube pay), I would say that providing
entertainment to those that actually watch Pool should be more important than the reason that the game was changed to start with
because the reason it was changed has all but gone away. Only Pool people watch Pool for the most part, so we aren't going to magically
create new viewers with this new fangled/now old fangled way of playing 9-ball.

Why not create richer content for Pool viewers? Instead of watching them robotically run racks?

 

[Mensabum]

I heard that. Here is my take.

If the 9-ball changes were done to cater to a TV audience, that assumption may have failed because Pool is rarely on TV anymore.
It is on YouTube and its available in quantity so few people who aren't players pay something to view it.

It's my opinion that give the relatively few views we get for Pool ( based on 1/2 cent per view YouTube pay), I would say that providing
entertainment to those that actually watch Pool should be more important than the reason that the game was changed to start with
because the reason it was changed has all but gone away. Only Pool people watch Pool for the most part, so we aren't going to magically
create new viewers with this new fangled/now old fangled way of playing 9-ball.

Why not create richer content for Pool viewers? Instead of watching them robotically run racks?

Good point.

 

[T411]

Push out faded because better players dominated a game that required more strategy, knowledge & skill. The players that could move would win in a game that was better, more enjoyable, and I’d argue funner to watch - if two skilled players matched up. The game is now faster easier to run league play, and gives the “casual” player a luckier chance. In turn benefits bars operators, & industry - the ones with the power to decide. Like most rule changes top players are not the driving force. It about making the game more profitable for people in power. Just like jump cues, carbon fiber shafts, or polished balls, if it sell a product then it sticks even if it stinks.

 

[336Robin]

Push out faded because better players dominated a game that required more strategy, knowledge & skill. The players that could move would win in a game that was better, more enjoyable, and I’d argue funner to watch if two skilled players matched up. The game is now faster easier to run league play, and gives the “casual” player a luckier chance. In turn benefits bars operators, & industry - the ones with the power to decide. Like most rule changes top players are not the driving force. It about making the game more profitable for people in power. Just like jump cues, carbon fiber shafts, or polished balls, if it sell a product then it sticks even if it stinks.

You have a point. At the amateur level in leagues going to push out, would lengthen games and make getting done that night a problem.