I think it should be noted on the scores of the players if they are "ON a foul". In the finals ,Thorsten was on a foul, Darren got stuck on the stack, without a shot, and played a cross side bank that was not "ON'. He missed badly and Thorsten ran the game out. If Darren realized Thorsten was on a foul, he probably would have taken an intentional foul and gave the situation to Thorsten.
On a foul
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It is always permitted to say, "Are you on a foul?" It used to be that the score would indicate the number of fouls for each player. Back when there were scorekeepers and referees.
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Keeps track of such things. It's a lesson Darren will never forget.
Keeps track of such things. It's a lesson Darren will never forget.
While these guys are inhuman straight shooters with amazing cue ball control, some of them are not familiar with straight pool. That will never happen to him again.
Having said that, too bad there isn't a better way to score the tv games. The string is fine otherwise. Its a far better way than flipping those cards, but that's supposed to be for our benefit.
Having said that, too bad there isn't a better way to score the tv games. The string is fine otherwise. Its a far better way than flipping those cards, but that's supposed to be for our benefit.
The flip score cards were good during the matches while watching the stream. To improve future matches... There should be a separate score card out besides the score cards for fouls. Let's say in red numbers -1 & -2. This way as the shooter is at the table and glances over at the score, they can see that their opponent is on one or two fouls. If this were put into place, a player would be use to looking over there to remind their self what their opponent did at their last turn at the table. Problem solved.
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Never saw them. They might of been way too small. I looked over at the score many times during the matches that I was viewing to remind myself what the player in the hot seat had done at their last turn at the table and did not see a foul card. This needs to be done properly, not only for the players but also for the viewers.
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There were foul cards directly adjacent to the players scores. That Thorston was on 1 foul was clearly visible to just about everyone in the room. The nearest card was maybe 8 feet from the table. He never looked.
Don't doubt it wasn't visible on the stream (where's Accustats when you need them).
Don't doubt it wasn't visible on the stream (where's Accustats when you need them).
This is exactly right. The small red 1 was very visible. I was sitting further away from the scorecards than Darren. The fouls had been marked that way all week and the players should have been used to it. It had not been that long since Thorsten had scratched one rail in the side off a break shot.
When I saw where the ball ended up, I said to Marop, " When Darren taps the cue ball and gives it back to Thorsten, Thorsten should probably three foul, because there is no good safe and with an open table like that it is too likely that Darren would be able to run out". Darren forgot so that point is moot.
But I was thinking. If it would have been a good move for Thorsten to three foul had Darren noticed and tapped the ball, then it would have been a good strategy for Darren also, even if Thorsten had not already been on a foul. They were both around 150 or so, so the threat of either of them running out with an open table like that was equal and a three foul, I think, would have been the proper response.
What do you guys think?
p.s. If Darren had adopted that strategy, he would have figured out who was on the first foul eventually, when the ref warned Thorsten.
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Exactly, Dennis. That was the point of my comment. I think Darren committed a mental error regardless of whether he remembered Thorsten's foul. So you could say it was a double mental error.
He made a reference to it on Facebook. I think he just slept it and forgot about it. Just a mental mistake I think.
Darren from Facebook:
"I run a few then get stuck in stack and didn't realize he was on a foul so I go for stupid bank jacked up.. If I knew he was on foul I take scratch and he would need to take 3 fouls lose 18 points and re break .. After that he runs out .. Congrats to thorsten though great achievement to win 3x.. Thanks for all support and message Shame I couldn't finish the job and play like I did in all my other matches .. I will win it in the future.."
Yeah, I do see what you mean. At first I had not realized it, but when you think it through, if it's a three foul situation for Thorsten, then it is the same for Darren, if, as Darren thought, Thorsten had not been on a foul. Very nice analysis, "At Large".