On Chuck Bobbitt...

Chuck; Silence Is Not Golden

The Petard has just discussed this situation with the COLLECTION GURU who was at the event every day and bought quite a few tickets and supported the concession stand quite well and the waiters; this is what the GURU said:

CHUCK, I TALKED TO YOU OVER THE PHONE AND THEN MET YOU AT THE EVENT AND SUGGESTED YOU MARK THE EVENT PASSES DAILY TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM USING THEM OVER AGAIN AND REDUCE THE $ GATE; HARDLY A CHARACTOR REFERENCE BUT I FELT LIKE I MET A NICE MAN. AS A RETIRED CORPORATE EXECUTIVE MANAGING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND RECONSTRUCTING FAILED BUSINESSES, MAY I OFFER MY THOUGHTS AND SUGGESTIONS AS I WILL HELP YOU PREPARE TO END THIS AND KEEP POOL GROWING IN ARIZONA?

YOU MAY HAVE DONE SOME OF THINGS BUT:

1. CONTACT ALL THE PARTICPANTS PAID AND UNPAID
2. PREPARE A FULL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE
3. PREPARE A SUMMARY OF ALL THE EVENTS THAT DEVELOPED FROM
THE INCEPTION OF THE IDEA
4. PREPARE A REPAYMENT PLAN FOR THE RETURNED CHECKS AND
COMMUNICATE TO ALL.
5. OBTAIN SIGNED DOCUMENTS FROM THE UNPAID AGREEING TO THE PLAN

IF PLAYERS AND JAY FOLLOW THOROUGH WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WHICH I THINK THEY SHOULD, YOU WILL NEED TO DO THIS ANYWAY TO AVOID SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES. WHILE I COULD LOAN YOU THE MONEY AS COULD OTHERS, I WILL NOT AS I HAVE NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH YOU BUT BELIEVE BASED ON MANY CONVERSATIONS AND READING OF THIS SITE, THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY A GREAT GUY WHO F***** U*!!!!!!!! THE COLLECTION GURU HAS TOO MADE MISTAKES BUT ALL THINGS CAN BE FIXED BUT NOT THROUGH SILENCE. I OFFER YOU MY HELP TO PREPARE 1-5 IF YOU WANT AND IF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY, GOOD FOR YOU.

COLLECTIONGURU@GMAIL.COM
 
JAM said:
And maybe you should address your comments to the posters who insulted me. There is a reason why I respond in the manner which I do. I do not think you would like the "crack pipe" comment directed at you, would you? And that was just ONE out of MANY insults.



You probably should read the comments -- PLURAL -- written by the person who I was responding to before you pass judgment on me.

And furthermore, there are some on here who enjoy tag-teaming. You are one of them.

Forum games. PM each other back and forth. Have at me. I don't give a damn.

JAM
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Corvette didn't write anything about Crack Pipe before you posted what you did.


I have never received, nor sent, a PM about your posts, TheOne posts, Corvette's post or anyone else...
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Corvette didn't write anything about Crack Pipe before you posted what you did.
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This is not quite true. Corvette responded yesterday, and many other days, with comments which were rude, insulting, and vulgar.

His comments about pool players being scum of the earth is one bone of contention I find annoying, when he seems to enjoy bragging on this forum about being with them on the golf course, as an example. He makes derogatory remarks about pool players quite often, usually in the threads I am participating in, and that is for a reason. He likes to "press buttons," as somebody once told me.

I don't think you have a dog in this fight, unless you want one.

JAM
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Frank, well said, and I agree with a lot of what you say. How many members would AZ lose if they required names? If 10% snipe because they can, wouldn't it eliminate just about all of it?

I'm only complaining about this because when it does happen it's a blood bath, and it's like someone throwing grenades from an unknown location.

If they had to own up to what and how they say something they might think twice before they broadcast it to the pool world.

I know about 5% of the people who post here, either because they post their name or I've seen them somewhere before.

Even players who come in to Danny K's don't tell me who they are on this forum. I find that kind of funny. Like I might criticize something they posted.

I wouldn't know who you are Frank if it weren't for some recent posts.

Just my opinion, and my guess is that it will go nowhere.

Danny
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I always find it amazing just how many people lurk on here or either post and then don't talk about it. There are quite a bit of SoCal players and pool fans that come on here but don't advertise it.
Its not like the forum is a bad thing. Just a place to kill time with individuals that have a common interest.

I have never had a problem telling anyone who I am but thats just me. Since the dawn of internet Bulletin boards, forums and sites everyone has always had a handle. Kind of like the modern day CB radio.
I posted on RSB for years under my name.

Frank Howe
 
AzHousePro said:
Roger, I know that quite a few of Chuck's friends and associates out here warned him over and over that he was going to take a financial beating and suggested that he cancel the event when he could.

I do agree that he took some advice from the wrong people, but you and I probably disagree on who that person might have been.

I do think that a lot of the bad that happened with this event comes back to him being steering in the wrong direction early and not knowing any better than to believe what he was told.

The players (and Jay) are certainly big losers at the moment. But a man who wanted to do something positive for local pool is going to end up the biggest loser in the end.

Unfortunately, it came down to his own choices and he was warned by people who knew better.

Mike
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Mike, thanks for stepping up with your above reply. I don't know if roger is pointing a finger at me as one who gave Chuck bad advise, but if he is, I can tell you all this: I personally told Chuck not to get involved with this shootout as far back as December 2007. In mid-March of 2008 I did everything but beg him to cancel it. As far as roger's original post and all the back-handed comments ...... who cares. That's just roger.

Ron Merseal (Alexander's Sports Bar)
 
Roy Steffensen said:
JAM: I gave you neg rep based on your replies to this post, which was corvette1340's FIRST post in this thread. Not one word was directed to you, and he didn't say anything bad at all, imo.



This was your answer:



In THIS thread there is no doubt that YOU started with namecalling. For that I gave you bad rep.

You then responded by giving me bad rep for this post:


And this was your comment when giving me bad rep:
"It is okay for others to use "crack pipe" comments to me, and when I respond, you give me red rep? Right back at you. You in the past joined TheOne, Corvette, Watchez, and others against me. Your true colors are revealed once again."


1. You have obviously misunderstood the whole concept of reps, or you actually mean that my post was not good. I guess you don't disagree with what I wrote. Was it some sort of "revenge" by giving me bad rep, since I gave to you? After all, I felt that I had a reason for it. You started a fight with Corvette for no reason, and I felt you crossed a line.

2. You write that I have joined several others posters in the past, against you. The last time I got bad rep (and only other time) was also from you, in a thread about Ortmann after he won the World 14-1 Championship. You and me had an argument about open/closed tournaments in Europe, and European buckingham-guards, if my memory are correct.

This is the only issue we have been "fighting" about, and I don't feel I crossed any lines in that discussion.


I happen to enjoy most of your posts on this forum, JAM, and I love to read your posts about stories from the past, about players you've met, tournaments you've been to, and a lot more things.

During my time on AZB I have perhaps given you green rep about 10 times, the last time about 2-3 weeks ago. I was supposed to give you green rep for another post just a couple of days ago, but I had to spread around. I am not a part of a "ban JAM group", as you like to think, and I am dissapointed that you believe so based on our different opinions about one issue.

As I just said, I happen to enjoy the majority of your posts. Unfortunately you seem to get in "trouble" with many different people on this board, on many different subjects. Instead of claiming that there excists a "ban JAM community" here on AZ, perhaps you could spend some time analyzing the posts that starts the trouble. Could it be that you are part of the problem?

In this thread, there is no doubt which post, and which person who started the war. For that I gave bad rep, and I would have given that to any person who started it, not only you.


I guess I deserved my bad rep from you for that ;)
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Excellent post Roy, and thank you. I don't know you, the one, watchez, or any other poster that JAM likes to say gang up on her. I have not said one thing to her or about her since I put her on ignore several days ago and she has made it a point to follow my posts and take shots at me. Is she that paranoid to think that all of my posts are geared toward her? lmao.

She thinks that everytime I post something about a pool player that doesnt work and just scuffles around that I am talking about Keith, when I have several friends that I say the exact same thing to. If pool doesnt pay the bills then find other work. Yes, I am friends with Corey, Shannon, Gabe, John Schmidt and other pros. Unlike some that choose not to better themselves, these players have worked to get sponsors and or run tournaments, etc.. These are the true professionals in my opinion. The ones that complain about low payouts and then sit around all day are the ones I have not respect for.
 
Frank, I thought you were Frank Almanza all this time! He comes into my room on occasion as well.

Oh well, I just think it would improve things, especially in a sport that has had such an image problem for the past 100+ years.

Danny
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Frank, well said, and I agree with a lot of what you say. How many members would AZ lose if they required names? If 10% snipe because they can, wouldn't it eliminate just about all of it?

I'm only complaining about this because when it does happen it's a blood bath, and it's like someone throwing grenades from an unknown location.

If they had to own up to what and how they say something they might think twice before they broadcast it to the pool world.

I know about 5% of the people who post here, either because they post their name or I've seen them somewhere before.

Even players who come in to Danny K's don't tell me who they are on this forum. I find that kind of funny. Like I might criticize something they posted.

I wouldn't know who you are Frank if it weren't for some recent posts.

Just my opinion, and my guess is that it will go nowhere.

Danny
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I would prefer a forum where all users used their real names. But it's impossible, people can just create fake names, just like me here on az

regards,
Walt Frazier
 
As it seems my post is the one that got all the "anonymous poster" replies going - I wasn't so much bringing up "faceless" as another way of describing an anonymous poster - more like, "faceless" as in, you're just typing on a computer, as opposed to speaking to another person face-to-face.

If people would simply post replies to each other the same way they would speak directly to each other, boards like this would be exponentially more civil. It's so much easier to mouth (type?) off at someone else when the immediate risk of getting popped in the mouth is not present.

My 4 cents (inflation! I dug that comment the other day :D).
 
JAM,
Just bury the hatchet already with your supposed detractors and you might be surprised to find the flames die down quickly. You are the one fanning them more than most. Quoting a post from many months ago is one example of that.
 
JAM said:
That is correct, to a certain extent, ScottW, but some of us on this forum do have a face, and our identities are known.

Then there are the unidentified trolls, who are unidentified by their own choosing. Some deem it as a privacy issue, and other use it their advantage if they do not like another member of this forum. :(

When posters tell you to suck their [fill in the blank] in LIVE CHAT, attack member's loved ones only because they don't like the member, et cetera, et cetera, well, ScottW, you've seen it before as well, I am sure.

JAM
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Here are my replies of the day

JAM This really is childish. Like a lil kid we have to go back & show who started it first. Just go back & look - any name calling was always started by JAM towards me. Very rarely to I stoop to the redneck bar mentality that gets you no where but further disrespect by others. There have been a multitude of insults thrown out by her & references - negative rep with insults.

All because 4 years ago I questioned an article in a billiard magazine that Keith McReady (hers - as she uses the possesive about him all the time, like she owns him) wrote (well JAM wrote it for him but under his name) that made disparaging remarks about Louie Roberts. Louie, being dead, can't defend himself so I just let her know that the disparaging remarks had no reference to the point that Keith was making in his story. The article was about how 9 ball should go back to two shot roll out - a valid point - and transcending to the time that Keith played Louie and Louie got several backers to give him money for the same cue - a non valid point in the topic of the article. I was pleasant in telling her that I thought this should have been left out. She questioned who I was, tried a google search on me & thought I was some history professor in Wisconsin, if I could draw my ball, if I was worthy to talk to her or hers (Keith) and if I really knew Louie or any other pro player that would qualify me to talk to her or speak about pool.

Danny Kuykendal & Frankie White I have posted this MANY TIMES. Most people know me by my nickname - watchez. I work during the day, so please don't be offended if I don't answer during the day but please leave a voice message & I will be happy to return your call.

ShinobiHow are things in the great north? To your point to JAM that she breaks forum rules continuously, it is because she can. She is a personal friend of Mr. Wilson, has been with Keith (hers) to his house for dinner. It is good to have friends. To be honest, a lot of people when I meet them, I think what can they do for me.

Corvette Good Luck.

ChuckPlease do what is right. Do you have friends? Do you have a house you can borrow against? Do you have a car title - many places will loan you money with that as collateral? There are always answers in getting money.

I have never air barreled, dumped, or stiffed anyone. I don't associate with those that do. It helps me sleep very good at night.
 
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246 Toothpicks, 246 Toothpicks (there are still 4 in the box)

Chuck Bobbit is an excellent driver, an excellent driver, but that is definitely not his underwear. Ten minutes 'til Judge Wapner.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfV-kf0IsTA


*The people in this thread are not actors. They are the actual litigants, who have decided to drop their case in court and have their dispute settled here, in our Forum. The People's AZB Forum.
 
Watchez strike again with untruths, insults, and embellishments.

watchez said:
Here are my replies of the day
JAM...All because 4 years ago I questioned an article in a billiard magazine that Keith McReady (hers - as she uses the possesive about him all the time, like she owns him) wrote (well JAM wrote it for him but under his name) that made disparaging remarks about Louie Roberts. Louie, being dead, can't defend himself....
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First off, it is Keith M-c-C-r-e-a-d-y.

I have never stated that I "own" Keith. Is this sarcasism once again from you towards me?

The article is Keith's, not mine, and he has received positive feedback from hundreds of readers about the article. Keith and Louie happened to be good friends, but you act as if Keith was degrading him. Keith has spoken to you about this directly on RSB NG, but you want to pick scabs and bring it forth on this forum.

watchez said:
....Frankie White[/B][/COLOR] I have posted this MANY TIMES. Most people know me by my nickname - watchez. My real name is Steve Sobel. My phone # is 314-603-7176. Feel free to call me to chat about pool or anything else of interest. I work during the day, so please don't be offended if I don't answer during the day but please leave a voice message & I will be happy to return your call.
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Frankie, don't waste your time, if you read this.

watchez said:
Shinobi[/B][/COLOR]How are things in the great north? To your point to JAM that she breaks forum rules continuously, it is because she can. She is a personal friend of Mr. Wilson, has been with Keith (hers) to his house for dinner. It is good to have friends. To be honest, a lot of people when I meet them, I think what can they do for me.
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This is a lie. I have never met Mr. Wilson, don't know where he lives, and have never been to his house for dinner. Where do you come up with these untruths?

Watchez, you continue to instigate.

JAM
 
Roy, actually not impossible. The Steel Guitar Forum requires full names and addresses and everyone knows everyone. It's a better way to get to know people as well as keeping them more honest.

I e-mailed the director of the Steel Guitar Forum and asked him why names are required. His response "It's a lot harder for people to be assholes to one another when they have to post their real name."

So, it can be done, and it works.

Danny
 
shinobi said:
JAM,
Just bury the hatchet already with your supposed detractors and you might be surprised to find the flames die down quickly. You are the one fanning them more than most. Quoting a post from many months ago is one example of that.
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Practice what you preach.

JAM
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I would prefer a forum where all users used their real names. But it's impossible, people can just create fake names, just like me here on az

regards,
Walt Frazier
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Me too,
Ralph Greenleaf
 
Very funny Jay. You might realize that there is some merit to what I'm saying instead of chiming in like everyone else and making a mockery of it.

By the way, I'm not taking any of this personal.

There is much to be gained by people doing what you do, which is posting your name and taking responsibility for what you say and do.

If everyone posted who they are, wouldn't it be a better forum?

Danny
 
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Could you maybe move that piece of the discussion to one of the 9 billion other threads that have covered it to death?
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Very funny Jay. You might realize that there is some merit to what I'm saying instead of chiming in like everyone else and making a mockery of it.

By the way, I'm not taking this personal and I'm not thinned skin, like you intimated before.

There is much to be gained by people doing what you do, which is posting your name and taking responsibility for what you say and do.

If everyone posted who they are, wouldn't it be a better forum?

Danny
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SORRY Danny,

I have this sick sense of humor that takes over sometimes. Nothing personal! We all need a good laugh once in a while. Especially me this week.

I don't disagree with you. It just isn't practical to expect this to happen on this forum. Heck by now, I know all these guys (and gals) by their forum names. When they come up and say hi, the names mean something to me. If they told me their real name, it wouldn't register.
 
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