One complaint I don't care for

[middleofnowhere]

I’ve never understood the problem either. I like playing against people who make skilled safeties. Why should it be a problem playing against someone whose safe shots are accidental? If you don’t like working your way out of being hooked, find a different game.

It may very well be that your opponent just got another turn at the table that he really didn't deserve, it was looking like your game to win. But that doesn't change the fact that you made a mistake and now are not suffering any punishment for it.

 

[Island Drive]

Watch the PGA.....many get a good roll, rarely ''if ever'' do you see another player act out like some pool players do.

 

[middleofnowhere]

But in golf, if you hit a rock, it bounces, hits an onlooker and lands on the fairway, it's all good.

Golf analogies regarding pool often don't hold up, because in golf you're playing against the course not directly competing with your opponent. Everything that happens good, bad or lucky in golf only directly affects you. Your good, bad or lucky play will affect the score and who wins but your opponent still gets to play his game regardless.

 

[middleofnowhere]

Over the long haul, the better, smarter player will prevail, but in short race handicapped tournament match, not always.

Exactly, if you match up with somebody and you're going to play for hours none of this probably really matters it will even out. But a tournament pool match by its very nature is almost sudden death from the start. Any single occurrence in the course of the relatively short match can alter the outcome.

 

[koogz]

If a good player misses a low percentage shot, they are playing the poor lie after the fact. It should be absolutely part of the game, as it is with snooker. Or, moreover, when there isn't a clear shot for a break out, then an intentional 'negative play' or snooker should be expected and executed, then appreciated by the opponent. It takes skill to run a table; as it does to leave a bad lie. Bad luck should never really enter into the game, or the attitude of a competitive play.

On the other hand, where there is an outlier and an obvious 'dumb luck' shot, it is proper to raise one's hand to show it was unintentional. Especially when a ball drops from an unseen plant, and play continues. It's good form to show appreciation both ways.

Bad feelings have no place, unless there is poor sportsmanship in play. Nobody likes a braggart.

 

[skip100]

It's natural to feel some kind of negative reaction when you get back to the table and don't have a shot. Some players disguise their disappointment better than others.

 

[buckshotshoey]

Golf analogies regarding pool often don't hold up, because in golf you're playing against the course not directly competing with your opponent. Everything that happens good, bad or lucky in golf only directly affects you. Your good, bad or lucky play will affect the score and who wins but your opponent still gets to play his game regardless.

When you are in the zone and playing pool as it should be played, your only opponent IS the table. The other person is just there to keep their cue from falling over.

And In golf, the other player luck certainly does affect you. They shank a ball toward the water, it hits a rock and bounces onto the green 1 foot from the pin. They just gained at least two strokes on you.

 

[koogz]

When you are in the zone and playing pool as it should be played, your only opponent IS the table. The other person is just there to keep their cue from falling over.

And In golf, the other player luck certainly does affect you. They shank a ball toward the water, it hits a rock and bounces onto the green 1 foot from the pin. They just gained at least two strokes on you.

The old 'hit it towards the water, but "accidentally" bounce off a rock onto the green 1 foot from the pin trick'... Ah yes...

 

[buckshotshoey]

The old 'hit it towards the water, but "accidentally" bounce off a rock onto the green 1 foot from the pin trick'... Ah yes...

I've done it myself.

 

[terpdad]

I admit I've been guilty of feeling this way. I think it's usually b/c you feel like you've been waiting for a long time only to find yourself hooked w/ no shot. I'm not really mad at the other person, just frustrated w/ the situation.

 

[Island Drive]

It's natural to feel some kind of negative reaction when you get back to the table and don't have a shot. Some players disguise their disappointment better than others.

Or you can be taught to ''quit with the negative waves'' by a coach and realize it's life.

Efren smiles when he errors.
Me, I laugh at myself....and move on.

 

[The_JV]

I havent read all the replies but
If you miss you messed up
Not
i got lucky that you missed
You screwed up
I dont believe you should be rewarded
By hooking me or getting a lucky roll
Because you messed up
Instead
You should be punished for your mistake
By leaving me an easy shot so I can run out
Jmho
Icbw

Normally I'm frustrated by people not using the 'enter' key enough....lol

 

[book collector]

I don't like when I miss a ball and the other player is mad at how I left them. If I am at the point where I should get out, and I dog a ball, I believe the opponent should be happy that he or she is back at the table. I know I'd be excited to get back up!

Why do people feel entitled to an easy opening shot after their opponent misses?

It's a glass half-empty-mentality. Instead of looking at it as "he got lucky he hooked me", how about "I got lucky he missed!"?

It used to happen to me so often , I had a bunch of 4 leaf clover coasters printed up , and I would hand them one.

 

[middleofnowhere]

When you are in the zone and playing pool as it should be played, your only opponent IS the table. The other person is just there to keep their cue from falling over.

And In golf, the other player luck certainly does affect you. They shank a ball toward the water, it hits a rock and bounces onto the green 1 foot from the pin. They just gained at least two strokes on you.

You are repeating what I said, it effects the score. It doesn't prevent me from playing my game.

 

[skip100]

Or you can be taught to ''quit with the negative waves'' by a coach and realize it's life.

Efren smiles when he errors.
Me, I laugh at myself....and move on.

I agree that you shouldn't let it get you down, but it's pure Pollyanna to pretend that people will and should be all smiles when they come back to the table and see the cue ball hooked.

 

[koogz]

I've done it myself.

That's fantastic!
It's cause for an instant celebration, and a nice shot of what ya got in the flask.

 

[middleofnowhere]

Or you can be taught to ''quit with the negative waves'' by a coach and realize it's life.

Efren smiles when he errors.
Me, I laugh at myself....and move on.

Coaches get thrown out of games all the time when they see something they feel was not right or a bad call. Pool players should not accept rules that spoil the game. maybe that is why they do need a players org. I used to play a lot in the south in black pool rooms, often the only white guy in the place. They often played if a player missed you could make him shoot again. They didn't play ball in hand. There may be more to the rules, I don't remember but that is the gist of it. We often played ring games like that. It is not the worst way to play. There are all kinds of ways to play.

 

[Fatboy]

I don't like when I miss a ball and the other player is mad at how I left them. If I am at the point where I should get out, and I dog a ball, I believe the opponent should be happy that he or she is back at the table. I know I'd be excited to get back up!

Why do people feel entitled to an easy opening shot after their opponent misses?

It's a glass half-empty-mentality. Instead of looking at it as "he got lucky he hooked me", how about "I got lucky he missed!"?

I’m still having a hard time believing you ever missed a ball…..j/k

 

[ideologist]

Yup. This thread was inspired by the other thread about SVB missing the 3 ball vs Mika. Mike should be thrilled that he's out of the chair, but instead he's unhappy.

If I'm getting stomped and come to the table hooked by a lucky roll, I'm usually just laughing that it's really not my day. No control over that at all.

 

[EddieBme]

Coaches get thrown out of games all the time when they see something they feel was not right or a bad call. Pool players should not accept rules that spoil the game. maybe that is why they do need a players org. I used to play a lot in the south in black pool rooms, often the only white guy in the place. They often played if a player missed you could make him shoot again. They didn't play ball in hand. There may be more to the rules, I don't remember but that is the gist of it. We often played ring games like that. It is not the worst way to play. There are all kinds of ways to play.

I played with some players who like, "two shot roll out", especially in ring games.