Fatboy shot FOURTEEN elephants for ivory, did he?
No. Twelve for ivory and two for food. :wink:
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No. Twelve for ivory and two for food. :wink:
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TheThaiger
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Come on guys! All the cool rich kids are doing it! We can even make a video and take lots of pictures! It will be super fun!
Thank you for contributing from your experience.
I would only add that we cannot see all the ivory in the pieces. Such a large haul is likely collated from a number of sources. It is not unlikely at all that there is poached ivory in there and we just can't see it.
I have nothing against hunting for sport or profit, and I have nothing against protecting the species. It is where the two notions meet that the controversy arises. Poaching is something I have a huge issue with.
Responsible practices should always be the norm.
I disagree with your characterization that elephants are so plentiful they are "like cows", but I disagree with the other extreme as well.
Their environment is shrinking....yes there is still a lot, but it is artificially divided which complicates matters and there are serious problems.
They are victimized for their ivory, that can't be denied. It is a sensitive matter.
They are indeed dangerous game as you point out. They can kill any other land animal and do so quite easily.
Happily, nature is far more powerful than any anemic closed minded self-absorbed liberal. More tuskless elephants are being born every year. They are being naturally selected for by the ivory trade. Not that I like the loss of tusks, but it is preferable to the loss of elephants.
This is a controversial subject. Those that demonstrate dismay with your contribution on the topic are only letting their severe limitations show.
I don't hunt. I do shoot and have done so since an early age. There are numerous hunters in my family, I just never caught the urge.
I have no issue with protecting elephants, nor with controlling ivory trade. I also have no issue with legal hunting, even if it is just for sport.
I do have issue with those who choose to take the low road and insult others in these matters, regardless of their position.
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You REALLY need to stop making sense, or you're going to offend some one.
I agree with everything said above.
Are you insulting liberals in general, or just the anemic closed minded self-absorbed ones? That high road can be hard to stay on sometimes.
TheThaiger
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My position, sunshine, is abhorrence at the rich living out their juvenile fantasies at the expense of the natural world.
Talking of 'fantasies', I don't believe you clarified how a non-gambler can possibly earn enough from playing pool to put themselves through medical school, did you? I thought you'd be too busy tending to Lance Armstrong on the Starship Enterprise to be a pro...
TheThaiger
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I have plenty of lucid moments - outing your BS, usually.
Shooting for fun!
The non-hunter never understands that
it isn't about killing. How can they if
they have never done it?
Pictures aren't the same.
Hunting is not for everyone, just like
pool or tennis or golf is not for
everyone.
There are different levels of hunting,
again just like pool or tennis or golf.
A banger might walk away from pool
and be critical of it, never really
understanding what the game is about.
The non-pool player doesn't understand
what pool is about.
The non-hunter doesn't understand what
hunting is about.
But everyone is entitled to an opinion about
pool or hunting, no matter how little
understanding they have.
The non-hunter never understands that
it isn't about killing. How can they if
they have never done it?
Pictures aren't the same.
Hunting is not for everyone, just like
pool or tennis or golf is not for
everyone.
There are different levels of hunting,
again just like pool or tennis or golf.
A banger might walk away from pool
and be critical of it, never really
understanding what the game is about.
The non-pool player doesn't understand
what pool is about.
The non-hunter doesn't understand what
hunting is about.
But everyone is entitled to an opinion about
pool or hunting, no matter how little
understanding they have.
TheThaiger
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And so, the bullshit-ometer ratchets up a notch.
As risible and specious reasoning as displayed by the good doctor in an earlier post.
The non child-molester never understands...
The non murderer never understands...
The non pimper never understands...
And so on and so forth.
DrOnePocket
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I can't believe I am saying this but, good post!
Every bit of it makes sense, hard to understand why they are arguing
TheThaiger
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DrOnePocket
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He is talking about Asians, best i can tell
TheThaiger
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It's quite clear, isn't it? I think shark fin soup would've been a better example - now that is extremely wasteful, and ruinous to the oceans.
I understand shark fin soup example. Never heard of somebody killing a deer just to eat its penis
yeah i am reading from a different book, i lived it for a year in the bush. Ive done it.
this thread sounds like a bunch of bangers talking about pool,
you just font drive out to a heard and shoot one, LOL. Canned hunts in SA are for bangers, i'm not a banger.
I'm not going to try and educate everyone here, it is way too much typing and people have their minds made up for them, I was green my first time in the bush, took me years to learn about whats going on. Same for pool.
My posts are spot on accurate, I lived it, breathed it. All the meat, all possible protein is consumed, 0 waste in Africa. It aint shooting fish in a bucket...
Did the enlightenment ever reach the US? Sometimes it is difficult to tell.
Infact this is a brilliant post, i spend 2-5 months a year outside of America and the propaganda on TV here about animals becoming extinct is the basis of every documentary there is, its not possible to watch a show about a dear, bear, hog with out the word "Endangered to pop up 3-10 times, moretorwards the end of the show, so you feel bad about things. In some cases its true, like Black Rhino's. In most cases its just propaganda and a pitch for $$$ to some "Save the XXXX Foundation".
america is a island unto itself like N korea, we get very little news with content thats from outside America, The things(world events etc) i see on TV in Europe are 10X more in-depth and relevant to the topic, not the agenda. Sadly they keep us stupid in America. Very sad indeed. TV and media here is about america for america. god forbid we educate people, keep them stupid and controlled, while telling them how free thy are, its a bloody joke.
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Fatboy shot FOURTEEN elephants for ivory, did he?
no some were tuskless cows, thats a recessive genitic trait and they shoot them, in some areas they are common in other areas they are rare,
I have also shot PAC Problem Animal Control elephants(2 of them) they are crop raiders, the tribesmen build stands 6-7 meters off the ground and bang pots and pans making noise to scare off the elephants at night, because a elephant can destroy a 25 acre plot in one feeding and ruin a years crop(they only get 1 cop/yr there-no modern farming like here. So when a elephant gets used to the noise and raids the crop its defined by Parks or the tribal chief as a PAC and a professional hunter is called in to shoot the elephant, they often knock over the towers and kill the people(usually kids). This is a common thing and has been for at least 100 years I was told.
I think about 4-5 I shot were Trophy bulls, they cost $10,000-$15,000 each which is like $100,000 Euro, yeah its that strong, so the hunting industry is big $$$ there and a reasonable part of the monies are given to the local villages and all the meat is, Game counts are done annually, density per 1000 acres for some animals and density per10 acres for others. you never cut down the peach tree to get the top peach,
Poachers kill in descrimatially and its legal and encouraged to shoot them on sight, I never saw a armed poacher, snare poachers you have to take into custody and drop them off at parks. They protect the inventory of game to ensure the lease holders and safari operators that there will be a viable hunt-able population of game every year. when a area gets shot out it becomes aphoto safari area until it "Comes back", or some animals are pulled off quota until they "come back". On every hunt there is a govt guy, from Parks documenting every animal shot, if the rules are broken, the safari operator can lose the leased land. and 90% of the time people dont offer to pay them to "look the other way to kill something", good operators dont take clients who have bad ethics like that.
in the case of impalas you cant shoot young ones, or there big problems, for giraffe they have to be old or you get in big trouble.
this is for Zimbabwe each country has different rules, its not a reckless blood bath, its a business, industry, a way to protect un armed farmers crops, and feeds one hell of alot of people.
i'm done typing, but thats how it is there.