One pocket question

poolfire

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Playing on a drop pocket table. Seven balls in your hole. Shooting your eighth ball. It goes in but doesn't drop all the way in. Ball is 95% in the hole but is still touching the top of table. If u removed two balls it would fall. Is the game over?
 
Playing on a drop pocket table. Seven balls in your hole. Shooting your eighth ball. It goes in but doesn't drop all the way in. Ball is 95% in the hole but is still touching the top of table. If u removed two balls it would fall. Is the game over?

If the only thing keeping it "up" is the other balls, then yes, I think you have won. Here are two pieces of advice:

- Make sure you pull balls from your hole if it starts filling up.

- Never play with anyone who would tell you that you haven't won in your scenario. They value winning too much.
 
Normally I would say the game is over but we all know that it is the shooters responsibility to make room as the game is played just to eliminate a argument..... How you been Kyle.
 
Yes...........

It happened the other day to me. The guy I was playing gave me the game. I know it's my job to keep it cleared out. I was just wanting ti know the "printed" rules. Been doing good cue. Did u go to the tourny there in Denver not too long ago?
 
The hypothetical winning player you make reference to is an idiot for shooting a ball at a pocket that could not accept a ball.
 
I believe there is a rule that if two balls are wedged in the jaws of the pocket, causing one or both to not be touching the bed, you would visually push them straight down. If they would fall if pushing straight down, it would be a pocketed ball.

Although not exactly describing your scenario, the above would seem to imply your scenario would be a pocketed ball.

In contrast, in your scenario, if the ball went in the hole, came out, and came to rest clearly on the bed of the table, it would NOT be pocketed. This is clearly covered in the rules.
 
One of the many reasons I hate drop-pocket tables. Even though I own one. I played on tables with ball returns for almost 25 years before moving to a part of the country that doesn't like/believe in them.
 
If you ever make it to Kansas city, Shoot me a pm and I will show you around town

wtf is that? Some kind of threat?

FYI, I posted my comment without knowing that it was you who was the "idiot." (Your post that it was you was posted while I was writing mine).

I'm not trying to pick fights. I do wish to point out, however, that it seems odd for someone to worry about making precise rule calls when they're (apparently casually) willing to shoot a ball at a pocket so full that it can't even accept another ball.
 
wtf is that? Some kind of threat?

FYI, I posted my comment without knowing that it was you who was the "idiot." (Your post that it was you was posted while I was writing mine).

I'm not trying to pick fights. I do wish to point out, however, that it seems odd for someone to worry about making precise rule calls when they're (apparently casually) willing to shoot a ball at a pocket so full that it can't even accept another ball.

It did not seem like a threat to me it seemed more like a invitation.....there is some great BBQ in that area:grin-devilish: Kyle I was there for the first day but couldn't be there for Sunday so I was a railbird. I had a riot met about 8 AZ'ers.:cool:
 
wtf is that? Some kind of threat?

FYI, I posted my comment without knowing that it was you who was the "idiot." (Your post that it was you was posted while I was writing mine).

I'm not trying to pick fights. I do wish to point out, however, that it seems odd for someone to worry about making precise rule calls when they're (apparently casually) willing to shoot a ball at a pocket so full that it can't even accept another ball.

People in Kansas City are really hospitable. They are great hosts and show their guest a wonderful time.:grin:

I think most people have been caught up in getting out and forgot to clear their pocket. I'm not sure that makes them an idiot.

My opinion on the OP's original question. I think the shooter has won the game but you know how some people will do almost anything to win.

Steven
 
Playing on a drop pocket table. Seven balls in your hole. Shooting your eighth ball. It goes in but doesn't drop all the way in. Ball is 95% in the hole but is still touching the top of table. If u removed two balls it would fall. Is the game over?


If the ball really is 95% in the hole, then I'd say you win. (Only a couple of old, hard-case crusts, probably from some place like Chicago :-) would say otherwise.

Of course: a little more speed, same balls already in the pocket, and the ball rolled even a tiny bit back onto the table, you lose. That's one of the reasons seasoned 1pocket players will usually move the first few balls they make into their side pocket. The graduate level players will move one into their top corner pocket too ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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Lou:
If the ball really is 95% in the hole, then I'd say you win. (Only a couple of old, hard-case crusts, probably from some place like Chicago :-) would say otherwise.
This hard crust case... er, hard cast crease... er...

This Chicagoan would say you won, and so would the rules. The rules say that if the ball would fall into the pocket if allowed to drop straight down, then it's pocketed.

pj
chgo

[EDIT: Deleted incorrect statement that OB touching ball already in pocket is considered pocketed. That only applies to the CB.]
 
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wtf is that? Some kind of threat?

FYI, I posted my comment without knowing that it was you who was the "idiot." (Your post that it was you was posted while I was writing mine).

I'm not trying to pick fights. I do wish to point out, however, that it seems odd for someone to worry about making precise rule calls when they're (apparently casually) willing to shoot a ball at a pocket so full that it can't even accept another ball.

Perhaps you should choose your words more wisely if you are trying not to pick fights. He had an honest question and got a very disrespectful answer from you.

In other forums I could care less, but here in AZLand I like seeing questions and answers regardless of how inane you, me, or anyone else may seem to think they are.
 
Thanks

Thanks for the replys. No it wasn't a threat. Was just wanting to have the correct answer if it happens again. Thanks again all
 
I know that is the rule, but I don't believe that is how it is played.
Here is what it says for one instance

"If the cue ball contacts an already pocketed ball, the cue ball will be considered pocketed whether it rebounds from the pocket or not."

Everyone at one point or another has had a problem following a ball you just made in to force 2 to go on the spot. The way this is written, just load up your pocket with all the balls you have and shoot the first ball (have it hang up because of all the other balls in the pocket, and then have the cueball touch that ball which is considered pocketed and neither ball went into the actual pocket to stay.

 
Playing on a drop pocket table. Seven balls in your hole. Shooting your eighth ball. It goes in but doesn't drop all the way in. Ball is 95% in the hole but is still touching the top of table. If u removed two balls it would fall. Is the game over?

Yes you'd win in that situation, but if you hit it too hard and it came out of the pocket, the game would go on. Another situation is that if you make your 8th ball and don't realize it and continue to shoot and scratch on the next shot, your 8th ball spots and the game isn't over. It's your responsibility to make sure the pocket is clear and know what your ball count is.
 
Perhaps you should choose your words more wisely if you are trying not to pick fights.

Well, you should note that I specified that the person I was calling an idiot was HYPOTHETICAL--and the original poster himself did not specify that it actually happened; for all anyone could know early on, the question WAS purely hypothetical.

But I wonder, what WOULD you call someone who shoots into an already overfull pocket? Sure, if you do it when it really doesn't matter (a fun game with a friend) then it's merely careless (a ball can easily go flying off the table). But if there's money on that matters to the player then....it does strike me as kind of idiotic.

In any case, Bob supplied a link to the proper answer. Looking at the rules oneself can almost always provide the info that's needed.
 
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