One pocket question
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Yes, they can. Oh, and making the rule so you can't push the cueball to the pocket facing is silly. It is just a foul, and you can do the exact same thing with the edge of your tip. It just makes people take a little more time to do the same thing for no reason.
As long as you make a legal hit on the cue ball, you can do whatever you want and take a foul. Meaning, a proper stroke using the tip, no double-hit and no pushing the cue ball.
Just coz its logical doesn't make it true.
It is unsportmanlike conduct, according to official rules.
It also may result in a fight, should you try to enforce the 'loss of game' penalty in a $game!
If you ever find yourself in a tournament wanting to do that kind of thing, you better ask the referee before the shot whether it's allowed. I think onepocket.org does not agree with you, and some tournaments play by their rules.
That wasnt in a one pocket game......It was 2000 US OPEN 14.1 against Dallas West.... .Dallas touched the cue ball with the leather tip to take a foul and Efren touched the cue with the ferrule, Dallas called foul. The Ref and Scott Smith wasnt sure of the rule....So they went to check... I already knew if Dallas calls FOUL, take it to the bank, its a FOUL. Sure enough Scott Smith comes back and declares FOUL on Efren, efren lost -1 point for the infraction, and -15 for for the foul. PLUS If was Dallas's choice to accept the balls where they were of re-rack and Efren had to do opening break sequence.
As long as it's done in a stroking motion with the front of the tip touching the cue ball. Using the side of the ferrul is considered unsportsman-like.
Remember, a foul means you have to spot a ball and 3 fouls in a row is loss of game.
not sure if this is what you are asking??
It is unsportsmanlike to pinch the ball or use the side of the ferrule when taking an intentional foul. Action rules don't always mirror tournament rules though.
It all depends on the rules agreed upon between players in a private match.
Rules quoted from onepocket . org
"6.6 Intentional fouls are an accepted part of One Pocket tactics as long as they are played by use of a legal stroke, such as by lightly touching the cue ball with the cue tip; by rolling the cue ball to a new location without regard for legal contact with either an object ball or a cushion; by pocket scratching the cue ball; or by using a legal jump technique to force the cue ball off the table. However, if the acting official rules that a player has used an illegal technique to direct the cue ball or any object balls to a more desirable location, then the incoming player has the option of either playing the balls where they lie, or requesting the official to restore all such moved balls to their location prior to the illegal maneuver. The offending player is charged the standard one ball foul penalty, and in addition may be further penalized at the discretion of the acting official under the general rules of unsportsmanlike conduct."
Dudley
It is unsportsmanlike to pinch the ball or use the side of the ferrule when taking an intentional foul. Action rules don't always mirror tournament rules though.
It all depends on the rules agreed upon between players in a private match.
Rules quoted from onepocket . org
"6.6 Intentional fouls are an accepted part of One Pocket tactics as long as they are played by use of a legal stroke, such as by lightly touching the cue ball with the cue tip; by rolling the cue ball to a new location without regard for legal contact with either an object ball or a cushion; by pocket scratching the cue ball; or by using a legal jump technique to force the cue ball off the table. However, if the acting official rules that a player has used an illegal technique to direct the cue ball or any object balls to a more desirable location, then the incoming player has the option of either playing the balls where they lie, or requesting the official to restore all such moved balls to their location prior to the illegal maneuver. The offending player is charged the standard one ball foul penalty, and in addition may be further penalized at the discretion of the acting official under the general rules of unsportsmanlike conduct."
Dudley
If I were coming to the table and thinking to just take a foul here, I would just tap the cue ball with my tip against the facing of the pocket. It would classify as a 'double hit' and the cue ball would stay hooked.
I would eventually lose out on the 3 foul rule though, since my opponent would just do the same back to me after he watched me do it.
The only hope would be that he messed up and pocketed the cue?
Depending on the rules you are playing by your shot could result in ball in hand behind the head string.
Dudley
"5-12 Deliberately Trapping or Wedging the Cue Ball
It is a foul if you use an illegal stroke to deliberately attempt to trap or wedge the cue ball in the jaw of a pocket. In addition to the one ball penalty for a foul, your opponent receives ball in hand behind the head string."
It is a US Open One Pocket Rule.
It was cited over here-->
http://www.onepocket.org/forum/showpost.php?p=102704&postcount=4
As I stated before though, People play by different rules everywhere. In some rooms a ball knocked off the table isn't charged as a foul, Others it is...
Dudley
This is also the rule they use for the Derby City. Forcing the ball between the rail and the cue is BIH.
we used to play some game back in the 80's, i cant recall what it was(wasn't one hole) and we would just tap the CB with the ferel and take the scratch, it wasnt a BIH game cause that makes no sense to tap out, i'd just pick up the rock and hand it to who i was playing. What hell was i playing when we did that-tap the CB move? 2 foul 9B?? it was a common thing.
I also recall seeing guys push the the rock up to the pocket facing in 1P when the CB was in the jaws, taking a foul and hemming up their opponent, that was a VERY long time ago, i didnt play 1P back then, just sweated it.
Yeah, the DCC actually gives ball in hand to the opponent if you push freeze the cue ball to the pocket facing. I just said it was silly. You can use the edge of your tip and lightly push the cue ball to the facing, miscuing away to avoid any push foul and accomplishing the same thing, but taking more time.
By some rule sets it is unsportsmanlike conduct to intentionally miscue. Again, you better ask the ref or you might get a nasty surprise.
Freezing the cue ball to the side of the pocket while "trapping" the ball is easy, no so easy when you actually have to use the tip of the cue to roll it there, though you still might have your opponent corner hooked (just not froze to the side of the pocket).
Either way it's a losing proposition if you are playing the 3 foul rule. If your opponent has a brain he will simply take a foul until you are on two, now your back is against the wall, and you have to make a legal hit or face loss of game. Any tourney I've played in trapping the ball with the cue tip against the side of the pocket is loss of game, and tapping the cue ball with the side of the cue is a foul.
Me personally, I always play 3 fouls. It keeps your opponent, and you honest. If you got me in a pickle......I better figure a way out of it, and if the roles are reversed, you better do the same. I've seen a lot of games where there are 8 coins on the rail, especially if the opposition is a world beater, he will just keep taking fouls if you really got him in a bind. The 3 rule foul puts a stop to that.
Either way it's a losing proposition if you are playing the 3 foul rule. If your opponent has a brain he will simply take a foul until you are on two, now your back is against the wall, and you have to make a legal hit or face loss of game. Any tourney I've played in trapping the ball with the cue tip against the side of the pocket is loss of game, and tapping the cue ball with the side of the cue is a foul.
Me personally, I always play 3 fouls. It keeps your opponent, and you honest. If you got me in a pickle......I better figure a way out of it, and if the roles are reversed, you better do the same. I've seen a lot of games where there are 8 coins on the rail, especially if the opposition is a world beater, he will just keep taking fouls if you really got him in a bind. The 3 rule foul puts a stop to that.
