One-Pocket Situation

Aaron_S

Aaron_S

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I haven't seen one of these for a while, so I thought I'd throw one out. Score is 4 balls apiece in an evenly-contested match, and you're playing for the title to your CLK63 AMG, which you happen to be quite fond of, btw. You have the left pocket.

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New to one pocket, but this is good practice....

First thought is to hit the 5 dead on with draw, putting the 5 over by the 6 and leaving the cue on the head rail with a long-straight shot on the 9.....second thought is to hit the 5 dead on with top, rolling the cue down to the foot rail between the pocket and the 7 and the 5 over by the 6....

It's a new game for me, but those seem my best to options :confused:
 
I dont have a clue how to diagram this with the pool table thinggie......I would bank the 8 ball tward my pocket and bring the que ball 4 rails leaving it near opponents corner ......but i suck at one hole
 
I would follow the cue ball off of the 5 - the 5 would go off two rails, but end up to the left of the cue ball, and the cue ball would end up behind the 9 and close to his pocket. This wold leave him no options on the balls down on that rail, and no real option of banking the 1 or the 8.

i think moving the 1 or the 8 would leave my opponent too many options, so I figure repositioning the cue ball down near his pocket would be the smart here.
 
I would bring the cue around 4 rails and try to park it behind the 6&7 balls. You could also bank the 8 toward your pocket and try to run the cue ball 3-4 rails back behind the 6&7.

Like this:

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bank the one ball back to your side hitting the cueball with low right to stick it back near his pocket...thats one of the few no chance of sellout shots I think....hitting the 5 is too dangerous, and it is hard to tell if you could hit the 8 hard with low left to bring the cuball by his pocket...

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Call me crazy, but I like this. Come off the 1-ball, 4 rails to the foot rail.

(the arrows aren't showing up right, so forgive me)

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gutshot said:
I would bring the cue around 4 rails and try to park it behind the 6&7 balls. You could also bank the 8 toward your pocket and try to run the cue ball 3-4 rails back behind the 6&7.

Like this:

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That's my shot-- moving the 8 towards the good side and sending the CB 4 rails.
 
Blackjack said:
I would follow the cue ball off of the 5 - the 5 would go off two rails, but end up to the left of the cue ball, and the cue ball would end up behind the 9 and close to his pocket. .. .
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For most people, the problem is to do the follow without hitting the cue ball twice and only 1/2-inch between the cue ball and object ball.
 
looks like most agree that the 4 rail shot is the safest/best way to go...i set it up, pretty easy to hit, only sounds hard in name (4-rail)
 
StevenPWaldon said:
Call me crazy, but I like this. Come off the 1-ball, 4 rails to the foot rail.

(the arrows aren't showing up right, so forgive me)

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I agree, but I would be banking the one into the eight to also get the eight by my pocket.
 
I'd shoot the cb at the 5th diamond near my pocket with left eng, hard enough to hit the second rail and park the cb behind the 6 and 7. I wouldn't care if I took a scratch if I didn't make contact with the 6 or 7.
 
oncepkt said:
I'd shoot the cb at the 5th diamond near my pocket with left eng, hard enough to hit the second rail and park the cb behind the 6 and 7. I wouldn't care if I took a scratch if I didn't make contact with the 6 or 7.
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My sentiments exactly. If you are messing around for $5, then shoot the 4 railer off the 1. For $10,000+, play the tight shot.

-td
 
Four rails off the 1, banking it to your side, is a sellout shot.. Here's why.

If you make a decent hit, and come up a tad bit short, then you leave a free straight back on the 8, unless you plant the 1 ball in front of your hole. Which won't happen at this angle.

Even if you get the 1 ball a good bit on your side, if you leave the cue ball off the rail after the 4 rails, that 8 ball is getting banked by your opponent, and he'll try to leave you as close to the head rail as possible.

The 1 is just fine where it is, even though it is on your opponent's side. It stops a lot of his good moves.

I like just a straight four rail kick to land right ON those two balls. Try not to disturb them, just try to land right ON them. The speed and angle needed is a lot easier to guage by just doing a straight kick, rather than trying to save a point.

Set up the cue ball right on those two balls, and try to find a way out of it.. It won't be easy. He is almost guaranteed toleave you a bank at your pocket on your next turn..

And remember.. you can easily get a good hit on the four rail kick anyways...

Russ
 
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I feel hitting the 1 isnt a bad idea. If you hit it with the spped necessary to move the cue 4 rails, the 1 wont go anywhere near your hole. Instead it will most likely bump the 8 and 5 closer to the middle or on your side of the table. Granted that shot opens the bank lanes up again, I dont think its a sellout. If you land in line with the nine, you only leave the 1 straight back. If you playu the 8, and land by but not under the 9, you leave a much tougher bank on the 5 with 2 balls near your hole(the 2 and 8). If you land under the 9, the 1 might be in the way. If you do get lucky and snooker them under the 6 and 7. you will definately keep your car.
 
oncepkt said:
I'd shoot the cb at the 5th diamond near my pocket with left eng, hard enough to hit the second rail and park the cb behind the 6 and 7. I wouldn't care if I took a scratch if I didn't make contact with the 6 or 7.
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Look at the angle your shooting into.. You have maybe a half diamond target, and you are having to be exact with unnatural english to get there.. If you put slightly too much english, you hit the 9 and either scratch, or let him take out your 4 ball, leaving you safe.

If you don't put enough english, you end up scratching..

If you are trying to get behind the 6 and 7 anyways, and don't care if you foul, shoot the "natural" four railer. It's a natural position route we use off a thin cut into the side to go four rails back down table. Everyone should have a very good feel for the four rail angle. Just kick it with the speed to fall just on the 6/7. It looks near impossible to sell out anything if you use the right speed.

Russ
 
shag_fu said:
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I feel hitting the 1 isnt a bad idea. If you hit it with the spped necessary to move the cue 4 rails, the 1 wont go anywhere near your hole. Instead it will most likely bump the 8 and 5 closer to the middle or on your side of the table. Granted that shot opens the bank lanes up again, I dont think its a sellout. If you land in line with the nine, you only leave the 1 straight back. If you playu the 8, and land by but not under the 9, you leave a much tougher bank on the 5 with 2 balls near your hole(the 2 and 8). If you land under the 9, the 1 might be in the way. If you do get lucky and snooker them under the 6 and 7. you will definately keep your car.
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No, you don't "just" leave him the 1 straight back. :)

You leave him the 1 straight back with the opportunity to follow forward freezing you to the end rail, and he will most likely make the 1, or hang it up. Even if you do get the 5 or 8 over to your side, you are now faced with making a ball while yer cue ball is frozen to the rail, and yer only gonna get one ball, and if you miss, he'll easily run 4 and out.

And from where your diagram left the balls, when he hangs up the 1 and freezes you to the rail...You are hooked on the one by either the 5 or 8, depending on how tose two ended up exactly..

Opening up banking lanes while all the balls are on your opponents side of the table and runnable is not a good thing. You are in a very bad position right now, it is best just to take the foul, and look to do something constructive next time. By clipping the 1 ball, you are going to have to adjust spin to follow the four rail path along the right lines.. You have to do this while controlling the 1, 5, AND 8? Super tough.

Just kick four rails, and make a good move on the next shot. Your opponent will not be able to put you in that bad of a situation on his next turn.. :D

Russ
 
Here is my diagram.. I think that if you get anywhere behind the 6 and 7 enough to where your opponent cannot see the 4, on your next shot, you will have an opportunity to move another ball to your pocket.

I personally think any other option runs the risk of lettinh im move the 4.. If yer opponent moves the 4, you might as well resign the game.

Russ
 

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Assuming the 1 isn't frozen, roll up on the 1 pushing barely to the rail and back out onto the CB. Only thing the other player will see is the 1 and an edge of the 5. No good return.

Russ, if your going to take the scratch, wouldn't the 2 rail be much easier and give a better angle? BTW, 3.5 to 2 for a 1.5 return.
 
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best option

I think that banking the eight and going four rails behind the 9 is the best plan. I would try to get the eight on the long rail as the 4 does not prevent the opponent from going up table on his next shot, but cue ball control is paramount in this situation, so just hope that it turns out that way. I would also plan on the cue ball going above the 9 on the way to the 6/7. If the 4 were not there, then this would be an even better shot as the eight would have a chance of preventing the bank combo of the 6/7 pair. Plus, this is the only shot that accomplishes more than one thing.

The other options I have seen seem to have problems:

1.Following the 5. This is a VERY difficult shot in my mind because of the short distance between the balls. They are not touching, and a double hit costs a ball.

2.Kicking behind the 6/7 (one rail). That corner pocket looks like an open invitation for whitey. Trying to kick lower with inside would prevent this, but you have to hit that shot firmer which may cause the cue ball to come back out of the trap.

3.Kicking behind the 6/7 (four rails). If you have that kind of speed control, then it might not be a bad shot, but this type of shot is mainly for when those balls are much closer to the opponents pocket. Regardless of how you kick at this, if you do not get far enough behind these balls, then you sell out a free bank on the 5, unless you come off the eight to produce a position that takes makes the opponent pay for a miss.

4.Laying up on the 1. I don't think that this is possible, but even if it is, its just a move, whereas banking the eight is more aggressive. Whenever possible, you should go for your hole.

5.I also thought for a second about coming off the eight and getting behind the 1, but this shot allows the opponent to move a ball of his choice closer to his pocket; improving his position.
 
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