One pocket Spot

Playing an elite-level one pocket player, a 3 pockets to 1 spot is how much weight?

  • TONS of weight. You shouldn't lose to anyone if you have any clue.

    Votes: 28 51.9%

  • Moderate weight. You should split games if you have any clue.

    Votes: 14 25.9%

  • No weight at all. You'll likely never see any pocket, regardless if you have a clue.

    Votes: 6 11.1%

  • I have a clue, but it's the professor in the library with a wrench.

    Votes: 6 11.1%
  • Total voters
    54
SpiderWebComm said:
Exaaaaactly what I thought. "No one in the world could possibly beat me with that spot."

The other 2 pockets never came into play and it was like playing him even. If you wanna see how someone in the world can and will give you that spot, let me know.

Just to put it into perspective, outside of the 1 game I won, I think my ball score was something like 8 balls for the remaining games we played (total, between the rest of the games). Let's say you'd consider me a low level player and would spot me 9-7--- you'd have zero chance, assuming that was an accurate spot. ZERO%. It'd be like looking out the back window of your house, waiting for a unicorn to show up and eat your daisies.
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And that's the intent of that spot, too. While against a "normal" 1P player, those two extra pockets *would* come into play, a really high-level 1P player (or HOF'er) would completely negate their advantage, because they're on the wrong side of the table for them to be an advantage *to you*. You would think "but I got the whole rail -- how can I go wrong? That's two extra pockets 'on my side' that I can shoot at!" And that thinking is the carrot into the spot. All he's got to do is keep you locked up on your side where you can't see anything.

You want an extra pocket to actually mean something and threaten him? Ask for the corner pocket *on his side* of the head rail (i.e. diagonal from yours). Watch how much closer the moves get neutralized, because that spot actually changes the game. The "shielding" he would have to do is completely altered, because he has to guard on two opposite sides of the table, *and* watch those banking lanes.

-Sean
 
There is a local player who gives me 11-6 and he gets the breaks.I have asked him for the side pocket as a spot and he declined.I will try to play him even at your game,maybe he will try it for cheap.
 
smoooothstroke said:
There is a local player who gives me 11-6 and he gets the breaks.I have asked him for the side pocket as a spot and he declined.I will try to play him even at your game,maybe he will try it for cheap.
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Your local guy who plays good isn't placing the CB wherever he wants at will with pin point accuracy - all the time. That's the break-down. There's a huge difference in "excellent" speed and "elite HOF speed."

The difference is the size of the grand canyon.

Reminds me of Dippy Dave and Scott Frost. Believe me, when I watched Dippy play Scott, he didn't play THAT bad. I think the game was like 22-4 or something, ball-wise. You'd think Dippy was recovering from a stroke with a spot like that. In the few hours I sweated the match, Scott just played THAT good.

"Good" is perspective. It's all from where you're standing. Good to you might be someone spotting you 11-6, but an elite player might look at him and think, "I can spot that guy whatever he wants all day and he'll never win a game, ever."

What I learned is normal people make mistakes, eventually. No matter how good -- people make mistakes. Some chosen few, however, don't. Unless you're used to shooting out of "having nothing ever" (which I'm not), it's impossible to know how you'd fare.
 
I think anyone giving up that weight will know how to handle it. I seem to remember watching Tony Fargo spot someone that at the Rack in Memphis 20 something years ago. I too didn't think he would be able to pull it off, but he did and actually did it without any problems.

I think the opposite corner as someone mentioned would change the tides drastically though. As far as having all three pockets on your side of the table, I'm not sure. For it to work effectively for you, you'd have to have played a LOT getting that spot, learn some of the moves to take advantage of it, etc. I know if someone offered that spot to me I'd be scared to death because it would change the usual method of play drastically, I wouldn't know what to do!

Kind of like watching an experienced chess player play a new chess player. The new guy is kinda shifting stuff around not really knowing what he's doing, where the experienced guy is trying to figure out what the heck his opponent is up to. I'd be that new guy trying to understand a new game called 3 pocket! :)

Anyway...yeah I don't think I'd fall into trap, but hey, if you're playing a HOFr just consider it a fun lesson !
 
Not saying anything about anyones game here but there are good players and then there's guy that wont let you breath.:wink:
Dave did you see his move on you before you shot?
 
8pack said:
Not saying anything about anyones game here but there are good players and then there's guy that wont let you breath.:wink:
Dave did you see his move on you before you shot?
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The gentleman above me made a great chess analogy. I've never played that way before so all I know is normal play (I KNOW I didn't play the spot correctly, but every time I experimented with a new play/strategy - game over).

He was bumping balls into strange positions to block lanes (that prob aren't normal) and moving me in ways that weren't normal (clearly, he was a guru at working that spot) and before you know it.... check mate.

The one thing I can't stress enough is "not breathing." If you fade zero breathing for while--- it breaks you down physically and mentally.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
The gentleman above me made a great chess analogy. I've never played that way before so all I know is normal play (I KNOW I didn't play the spot correctly, but every time I experimented with a new play/strategy - game over).

He was bumping balls into strange positions to block lanes (that prob aren't normal) and moving me in ways that weren't normal (clearly, he was a guru at working that spot) and before you know it.... check mate.

The one thing I can't stress enough is "not breathing." If you fade zero breathing for while--- it breaks you down physically and mentally.
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Dave I'm just throwing in my 2 cents here and not trying to knock your game.Im not a great player by know means but I think anticipation is a big part of one pocket also.
 
8pack said:
Dave I'm just throwing in my 2 cents here and not trying to knock your game.Im not a great player by know means but I think anticipation is a big part of one pocket also.
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I know and totally agree. I tried :)

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To me that is what makes one pocket such a great game. You can take a player who is a better shot maker than you and tie him up so good thay he never gets to use his skill to beat you. That said, you can never make a mistake against a shooter likr that or he will run out on you.---Smitty
 
I believe you but i would have to try it. I don't run big amounts of balls but i move and kick well. I would have to believe I could find a way to earn a shot at least a few times a game.
 
I'm not a one pocket player but it seems to me the world champ is offering that spot because he has done it before and knows the right moves. My guess is a decent player could beat that game if he had experience playing that way.
 
Without knowing anything about one pocket... I probably coulda guessed the answer by just asking "whose idea was it?"

If it's his idea, you can pretty much assume you're about to drop into a punji pit.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
The game we played was he got his regular pocket and I got all 3 pockets on my side of the table.

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It is so HUGE of a weight even the Tacony Bridge or Brooklyn Bridge can collapse!

If u can`t beat that guy with that weight, you can`t beat a meth-whore on Boulder Highway in a even game. LOL:grin-square::cool::grin-square:
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Vag...

Meth whores have no shot w/ me. I also think 95% of those in this thread would end up like I did.

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Someone just linked to this thread in another thread....

When you are playing a guy way, way, out of your league, there is no amount of weight that will allow you to win. The only way to know this, is to get up there and gamble to prove it to yourself:) I learned the hard way, lol.
 
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