Oscar Dominguez Does It Again

[Black-Balled]

In the insurance world, when the insured takes responsibility for something it is not obligated to, it is called a plan exception.

They aren't the best decision, in the long run.

I'd refer you to jsp's earlier post in this thread.

 

[JoeyA]

Let's not talk about the players who might have had to face Oscar.

There are many different scenarios in which a person can take different sides of the discussion.

The bottom line is that the forfeiture is part of the rules. When that rule is bent by a player, it has an impact on other players in the event besides the two involved.

I respect Oscar's decision and might do the same or not. However, I don't think it should be left up to the player and that we should all follow the same rules and be treated the same.

If the forfeiture rule is left up to the good sportsmanship of players like Oscar Dominguez, then why should someone else be treated differently if they encounter a player with less class?

That being said, I stand by my comment, Oscar is TOP SHELF.

JoeyA

BadBoys directs this tournament. First, here is how forfeit procedures work at Derby. Once start time and the table is available, the player must notify us that they do not have an apponent. We announce that player is on the clock and they have 15 minutes from that time.
It does not matter who it is, when that time is up the player must tell us their opponent didn't show and then we issue the forfeit. We enforce the forfeit and take the option out of the players hands so no one can be humiliated or bullied into playing.
In the case of both of these forfeits Oscar requested that the forfeit not be issued before they were final.

 

[jsp]

BadBoys directs this tournament. First, here is how forfeit procedures work at Derby. Once start time and the table is available, the player must notify us that they do not have an apponent. We announce that player is on the clock and they have 15 minutes from that time.
It does not matter who it is, when that time is up the player must tell us their opponent didn't show and then we issue the forfeit. We enforce the forfeit and take the option out of the players hands so no one can be humiliated or bullied into playing.
In the case of both of these forfeits Oscar requested that the forfeit not be issued before they were final.

But had the 15 minutes already passed before Oscar's opponents showed up?

 

[jojopiff]

BadBoys directs this tournament. First, here is how forfeit procedures work at Derby. Once start time and the table is available, the player must notify us that they do not have an apponent. We announce that player is on the clock and they have 15 minutes from that time.
It does not matter who it is, when that time is up the player must tell us their opponent didn't show and then we issue the forfeit. We enforce the forfeit and take the option out of the players hands so no one can be humiliated or bullied into playing.
In the case of both of these forfeits Oscar requested that the forfeit not be issued before they were final.

Maybe I'm missing something (it is early and I've not had my caffeine yet). Is there a special "process" that it takes to make a forfeit? Cause it reads as if the other guy didn't make it within the 15 minute window (otherwise it wouldn't be a thread) but yet got there before the forfeit had been made? How is this possible? Had Oscar not made it back to the scorer to let them know he still didn't have an opponent? Something doesn't add up in this post.

 

[Black-Balled]

But had the 15 minutes already passed before Oscar's opponents showed up?

I don't really understand his input/ explanation either.

In trying to justify this action, he has created the possibility that a match might never end.

What happens if the player that shows up doesn't let the TD know the grace period has expired?

In his statement, either both players are eliminated, or the grace period does not expire.

 

[Black-Balled]

And yes, we all agree that Oscar is a white hat. We are solely discussing the decision to allow a late arrived to play a match.

(In fact, he should be pool's savior and lead the players' union, but I am not sure I should sentence him to that:grin-square:)

 

[Donny Lutz]

agree

Totally agree....tournament directors should make stronger decisions.
...so now, everybody who takes their forfeit is a bad guy?

These decisions should never be up to the players

I tend to agree.

On the other hand...

Some thirty years ago, I was playing in a national event in Vegas. I was waiting for my next match to be called...sitting with a member of the tournament committee about ten feet from the control desk and the director announcing matches.

When it was about five minutes past my scheduled match time, I asked the director if the matches were running behind. "Oh, you just forfeited your match. I called your name..."

Apparently, he called "Don Loots" instead of Donny Lutz (pronounced like "nuts"), and neither I or the committee member sitting next to me heard the call. He tried to convince the director that the error was not mine, with no success, even though we could have started the match only a few minutes late.

I'm a stickler for rules, but sometimes...

 

[JoeyA]

WOW! What a story. It's one of the reasons why I go by JoeyA. :grin:
JoeyA

I tend to agree.

On the other hand...

Some thirty years ago, I was playing in a national event in Vegas. I was waiting for my next match to be called...sitting with a member of the tournament committee about ten feet from the control desk and the director announcing matches.

When it was about five minutes past my scheduled match time, I asked the director if the matches were running behind. "Oh, you just forfeited your match. I called your name..."

Apparently, he called "Don Loots" instead of Donny Lutz (pronounced like "nuts"), and neither I or the committee member sitting next to me heard the call. He tried to convince the director that the error was not mine, with no success, even though we could have started the match only a few minutes late.

I'm a stickler for rules, but sometimes...

 

[alstl]

And yes, we all agree that Oscar is a white hat. We are solely discussing the decision to allow a late arrived to play a match.

(In fact, he should be pool's savior and lead the players' union, but I am not sure I should sentence him to that:grin-square:)

Especially at DCC where hundreds of players are signed up and allowing people to show up late creates the possibility for a dysfunctional mess. You could end up playing the finals at 2 am with nobody watching.

It isn't Oscar's fault, the director should make it clear - no exceptions unless for a valid reason. In a local or regional tournament somewhere I understand giving a guy a break.

 

[Tennesseejoe]

No question about it Oscar is an honorable man. But his request should have been turned down. Rules are put in place for a reason and matches played at amended times
can throw out schedules for players who are zoning in to play their own match.

Oscar, as a Tournament Organiser himself, should have acknowledged that and accepted the forfeit and his opponent should have not requested it.
It was the job of the person running the event to ensure that times and rules are enforced for ALL participants.
Too much Mister Nice Guy, Oscar.

I agree...

 

[poolmouse]

Oscar had a scheduled match in the 9 Ball yesterday @ The DCC (also note that this is a Mosconi Cup points event). The match time was 2:15. His opponent - Randy Hanson owner of Big Dogs - thought the match was at 2:45. When Randy didn't show Oscar was given a forfeit and it was a done deal. But then Randy shows up albeit late, Oscar voluntarily goes downstairs and requests a lift on the forfeit and they play the match.



Oscar knew the guy was a decent player.



End result - Oscar lost the match. Life goes on.



#TeamMexico

When your pool "career" dies down, your reputation will live on. Having played in a number of Oscar's Mezz West State Tour events, I can tell you he is humble gentleman. He reminds me of Johnny Archer and Tony Robles. Beautiful (soon to be) wife, well mannered, and well liked.

Oscar will succeed in anything he decides to do. With all that said, I don't have to spot him too much in 14.1. #TongueInCheek

 

[pro9dg]

And yes, we all agree that Oscar is a white hat. We are solely discussing the decision to allow a late arrived to play a match.

(In fact, he should be pool's savior and lead the players' union, but I am not sure I should sentence him to that:grin-square:)

Oscar doesn't lack character but what he does lack is perhaps judgement. I follow him closely because I regard him as a friend and I have known Ernesto for many years and OD is a chip off the old block.

But I disagree with a couple of life choices that he has made.
He got involved with the administration of the ABP taking on the job of Secretary of this ineffectual organisation. He stepped up to a position that carried no influence while the leading lights looked after their own interest. Which was not something Oscar would do.

I also would not support his decision not to go with Mark Wilson to the UK for the 2014 Mosconi Cup. I believe this showed a lack of commitment and I think this conveyed itself to Brandon Shuff and Jeremy Sossei who followed suit. Their presence would have been a positive factor for their captain.

But Oscar is a genuine good guy and with a little more experience he will go on to be one of the pillars of the game.
Love you buddy just offering some friendly observations.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

I also would not support his decision not to go with Mark Wilson to the UK for the 2014 Mosconi Cup. I believe this showed a lack of commitment and I think this conveyed itself to Brandon Shuff and Jeremy Sossei who followed suit. Their presence would have been a positive factor for their captain.

And who's dime would all these people have gone on?/would they have been paid for going?
Seems like a straight economic decision from my point of view if none of them went.
Especially if you just wasted who knows how much time attending everything to try and get on the team with little or not compensation, and then after not being chosen, having some "token" gesture thrown your way that is gonna just cost you more money, when you aren't gonna get a piece of the winnings anyway.