Don't recall, but for some reason or another OD bailing at the last moment was an issue. Do you know: was it that he was the only one who agreed to go and then didn't?
Lou Figueroa
Oscar Left Out of Mosconi Cup... Again
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Don't recall, but for some reason or another OD bailing at the last moment was an issue. Do you know: was it that he was the only one who agreed to go and then didn't?
Lou Figueroa
I think it is a little premature to argue that players like Skyler or Billy Thorpe have peaked... I'm guessing both of these guys continue to improve to higher levels of play over the coming years...
Fear not USA Fans, I'll pick up the slack!
You should make the Mosconi cup posters for the United States!
I agree. Skyler is ahead currently but billy has a few years to catch up and has been playing top notch pool especially gambling since he was 13. Seriously either of these guys could potentially pass dechaine or Bergman if they continue on the path
99% sure iusedtoberich was talking about guys like Archer and Morris when he said they've peaked.
Who's talking about selection by ranking performance criteria for Thorsten?
Folks are referring to Thorsten being snubbed for Captains picks 4th or 5th. They made a good decision to select Albin reigning World Champ by captain's pick even though he did not get selected by ranking. They did not do that for Thorsten
All past Euro World Champs (Peach, Darren, Niels) were on that year's MC except Thorsten. It sets such a bad precedent- that a player who cannot achieve top 3 ranking criteria during year plays his heart out to win the World Championship and then told that he is not captains pick for MC team that year. What a joke:grin-square:
I wonder what Matchroom has against Thorsten.
Why didn't Mark Wilson choose Ko Pin-Yi (he won the 2015 W9B) as a captain's pick last year? We could've won...
Rasson vs. Diamond Tables?
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I'm not knocking the Justin pick but there are some issues to talk about. Remember Justin is a Saint Louis resident and so is Mark Wilson. I think west coast pool might have been shortchanged and Justin just plays more big matches which are streamed and Oscar doesn't. Justin plays more in the midwest and Oscar has to pick and choose which events he can afford to travel to and compete in. The majority of the events outside of Las Vegas take place in the midwest or eastcoast. Lastly Justin competes in all forms of pool more including banks and one pocket whereas Oscar mainly plays rotation games and eight ball. So, in the end Mark probably decided on Justin because he's a homer and maybe that Justin might be a more rounded pool player not that he's plays any better.
Here is how I recall it:
- Prior to making the selection of the 8 potential MC team members, MW asked everyone if they would be willing to travel to the UK to support the team even if they were not selected to be one of the 5 playing members of the team. According to MW...they all agreed.
- After announcing the 5 playing members, MW stated that the 3 remaining (non) players would travel with the team to the UK, have their expenses paid by Match-room, act as special coaches, and share a percentage of the team's purse.
- Sometime after the public announcement and prior to the MC, after having second thoughts, OD called MW to inform him that he couldn't in good conscience go to the UK with the MC team.
- Soon thereafter, Brandon Shuff and Jeremy Sossei followed suit and declined their invitations to be non-playing members of the MC team.
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I'm inclined to agree. These two play all the games well (perhaps excepting 14.1) and are moving on up. Skyler is already a Mosconi player, so enough said. After a solid effort at Derby City early in the year, Billy Thorpe showed solid form at the US Open in a double hill loss to WPA World Champion Albin Ouschan.
And add in the fact that Justin is clearly a better rotation 9/10 ball player than Oscar....
Add in the fact that Skyler has people who are willing to invest in him to become a better player etc....
I think the fact that he recently took a trip overseas to play several tough players in the Philippines shows that he has the type of mentality that will help him to keep progressing.
yada, yada, yada.
And maybe he just picked JB because he's the better player.
Lou Figueroa
That sounds about right.
Wouldn't have hurt OD's future odds of being chosen in a tight race to have gone and supported the team in 2014...
Lou Figueroa
just sayin'
No. I was talking about the young guns. Once they are about 24, that is it for them, IMO. They might get a hair better, but they won't go from an Oscar speed to an Archer speed. Its that nature vs nurture thing again
No. I was talking about the young guns. Once they are about 24, that is it for them, IMO. They might get a hair better, but they won't go from an Oscar speed to an Archer speed. Its that nature vs nurture thing again
I don't know man. I think Shane is leaps and bounds better now than he was at 24.
Ronnie O'Sullivan (yes different sport) didn't really hit his peak until his 30s
Look at Dechaine and Shaw, 29 and 28 respectively. Do you think they both play the same as they did at 24? I think most would think they play better.
Yes, I do think they play about the same. Deschaine and Shaw were both top players 5 years ago. We all knew they were at the top tier then. What gets better from age 24 to age 29, is the thinking game and the experience. The raw shooting power does not improve. Shooting power is what determines a player's peak potential, not thinking strategies.
Same with Shane. How old was he when he beat the shit out of Corey in Tar 1? That must have been almost 10 years ago now. And he was clearly playing close to that speed before then, but just under the radar to people not from his area.
No. I was talking about the young guns. Once they are about 24, that is it for them, IMO. They might get a hair better, but they won't go from an Oscar speed to an Archer speed. Its that nature vs nurture thing again
Sorry but that is ridiculous (of course it is your opinion so it is OK to be have a ridiculous opinion which doesn't seem ridiculous to you). You mention Archer, at 24 he was a decent player. He peaked in his mid 30's. He went from a way less than Oscar speed at 24 to an Archer speed in his mid 30's. Tons of examples like that. Many players don't peak until they are much older than 24. Be real.
