Over-thinking and being Over-Techincal
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When I watch pros play it seems like they're doing plenty of thinking and analyzing. Sure, they're not thinking about their backswing, grip and other fundamentals. But they look like they're thinking a lot about their path to the next ball, best safety, etc.
Some of them seem to just fire away (Strickland, Shaw and Drago come to mind), but most of them play at a deliberate pace.
Are they "over-thinking"? I don't think so, but they are thinking.
Some of them seem to just fire away (Strickland, Shaw and Drago come to mind), but most of them play at a deliberate pace.
Are they "over-thinking"? I don't think so, but they are thinking.
I run a rack of 9 ball anywhere from 1-1/2 minutes to 3 minutes, 10 to 20 seconds per shot. If I am in a tough spot it's a few seconds longer, but not much, its rotation not straight pool, how long could it possibly take. The more balls off the table the less thinking is required. On rare occasions a time out is needed, rarely. Once I restart its back to my thinking rhythm.
I am OCD and a perfectionist to a fault. I think of every fine little detail imaginable for each and every shot, no stone goes unturned. Everyone computes and processes differently, that is my required time overall for 9 ball or 10 ball.
When it comes to tangent redirection there is a lot more to it than people think. It's more than just a 1/4 tip here and 1/2 tip there, which I cringe at that 1/4 tip analogy. A delay stroke redirection is a heavy ball with tons of juice. If you want to learn tangent redirection play 3 cushion billiards, you may be amazed at what you don't know about redirection with running and reverse spin, combined with stroke delivery to lengthen and shorten angles you didn't know you could achieve, and it’s not that difficult
Some of you know my posts, I have written many times about rhythms, mental and physical and how to achieve them to avoid becoming brain dead. And yes it can be taught.
Slow computers (Players) drive me crazy; luckily I know how to deal with them.
Compute and shoot, if you stare you sit in the chair.
Sincerely:SS
I am OCD and a perfectionist to a fault. I think of every fine little detail imaginable for each and every shot, no stone goes unturned. Everyone computes and processes differently, that is my required time overall for 9 ball or 10 ball.
When it comes to tangent redirection there is a lot more to it than people think. It's more than just a 1/4 tip here and 1/2 tip there, which I cringe at that 1/4 tip analogy. A delay stroke redirection is a heavy ball with tons of juice. If you want to learn tangent redirection play 3 cushion billiards, you may be amazed at what you don't know about redirection with running and reverse spin, combined with stroke delivery to lengthen and shorten angles you didn't know you could achieve, and it’s not that difficult
Some of you know my posts, I have written many times about rhythms, mental and physical and how to achieve them to avoid becoming brain dead. And yes it can be taught.
Slow computers (Players) drive me crazy; luckily I know how to deal with them.
Compute and shoot, if you stare you sit in the chair.
Sincerely:SS
I think in Charlie Williams case, he's technically playing at a level many could only hope to achieve. His loss of control would be missing a shot or position, which could occur at any time. He replays the shot before he gets down repeatedly, and still manages to keep his cool. I find that tough to do in my own game.
I think about playing a game where you had to take a minute or so between every shot. Even simple shots require a minute to shoot. Brutal. It takes quite a bit of focus to pull off. Three racks of 9 ball would take at least half an hour to play.
Best,
Mike
Thanks Neil,
I guess I've wasted 30 odd years as a national level athlete, coach, pool player and the like then. Wish I could be more like you :thumbup:
Most sportspeople or musicians and such dedicate some time of their discipline to pure analytics or working on technique, or strength and so on during phases and at other times they focus primarily on performance. Few are god like and hence often overlaps in focus occur.
To improve, one should be constantly aware of tendencies of falling into destructive single mindedness... unless of course they discovered CTE and never ever miss, and yet never seem to rise from mediocrity into the elite ranks.
When you're not too busy telling others how crap or foolish you think they are, perhaps you can enlighten us with how you compensate for speed and side with your pure alignment system.
And I've seen your vids. I'd rate you a C player.
Colin
Deliberate
There is no doubt hes being very deliberate and choosing his cue ball location with precision based what he thinks he can do best with the cue ball first and then on from there. A guy that slow is TD's nightmare.
I know who he is but I have to ask myself, has he always been this slow? From a skill standpoint I think there should be points given for mastery at that level. I think you plan your possible shots and you get down and do it and it shouldnt take that long. What he does makes me wonder if he just started doing it and at level he should be on a clock that both players have to abide by. The do it in snooker, why not pool?
I think in Charlie Williams case, he's technically playing at a level many could only hope to achieve. His loss of control would be missing a shot or position, which could occur at any time. He replays the shot before he gets down repeatedly, and still manages to keep his cool. I find that tough to do in my own game.
I think about playing a game where you had to take a minute or so between every shot. Even simple shots require a minute to shoot. Brutal. It takes quite a bit of focus to pull off. Three racks of 9 ball would take at least half an hour to play.
Best,
Mike
There is no doubt hes being very deliberate and choosing his cue ball location with precision based what he thinks he can do best with the cue ball first and then on from there. A guy that slow is TD's nightmare.
I know who he is but I have to ask myself, has he always been this slow? From a skill standpoint I think there should be points given for mastery at that level. I think you plan your possible shots and you get down and do it and it shouldnt take that long. What he does makes me wonder if he just started doing it and at level he should be on a clock that both players have to abide by. The do it in snooker, why not pool?
Great point. Always sharp Fran
Very True! I totally agree!
We 'technicians" strive to have the natural abilities that you big boys have. We (I) can't get there by feel alone. My game is totally enhanced by using known references such as the tangent line, and adjusting from there.
I know that the natural players (or at least one Pro that I spoke with ) When asked "what english did you put on that"? He replied " I don't know, I just knew I wanted the cueball, (pointing) there and made it happen. " I would have responded something like, One tip below the stun line with about a half of tip of right english. How long does it take me to estimate that? About 5 seconds. Knowing where I want to place the cueball in 8 ball takes more time.
Nine ball is more of a connect the dots game. I would have to agree that slow players either don't have the tools to get the cueball where they want or simply don't know what to do.
Very typical from you. Don't even spend one second thinking about what I said, and how it might benefit you. Instead spend your time insulting and degrading me. And of course, just had to throw that jab in at CTE also. Really sad there, Colin. (still waiting for you to top my score on YOUR test)
When you stop being so polarized into taking sides, maybe then you can be open enough to actually read something without putting a lot of words into someones mouth that were never said. You talk about single mindedness, yet that is exactly what you did here.
Would you mind sharing those videos with me? I would like to compare my abilities to him, since he thinks so little of me.
Why make a public comment like that when I have never said that?
You mad?
I won't bother Colin, if you can provide videos to me.
I'm not mad about anything. I just don't understand why some of you seem to constantly make crap up to disparage someone.
For the links, all you have to do is google it, or click on the link that was shown and then click on my name for whatever I have posted.
edit: Just saw that the link wasn't in this thread, so here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4ye76QOWyo27AQpxQ9we8w
Thank you for the link.
I could not have used Google, for anything. I didn't find your last name, until I opened the link.
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After reviewing some of your videos, I would suggest you stop telling people how to play. You're a C player at best. Showing off on a Valley barbox is hardly anything to gloat about.
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It's not just a valley, it's modified. It rates tougher than a 9' gold crown in pocket difficulty rating. Second, I figured you wanted it just to mock.Not showing off anything.
Guess you don't know how to figure ratings either. Why don't you try Dr. Daves BU test and show us all how it should be done, and then explain to him why his ratings are so far off base?? Or are you all talk and no show? Just asking you to back up your statements.
Here's the link to his thread- http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=321301 Looking forward to your scores.
But, yeah, I guess it's so easy for a C player at best to win the 6th Naval District Eight Ball Championship; the Kalamazoo end of the year 8 ball championship; the Grand Rapids Ham Shazam 9 ball open; the Grand Rapids 8 ball Championship (twice); 3rd place in the Grand Rapids Open; numerous local tournaments rated as an A; lost to Keith McCready 10-8 at the 2004 Glass City Open; ect, ect.
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No one can say someone is an "A" , "B" or "C" from just watching them play all offence only. The "B+" on offence could have a great safety game and when he plays safe he can lock you up tighter than a crabs ass. On the other hand he might be horrible at kicking and safety play. There is much more involved to tell what letter someone is. Some just can't play for money. They see $$ printed on the money ball instead of the ball #. Johnnyt
FYI, the BU playing-ability exams and rating system test all important pool skills, including safety play and kicking. If anybody out there gives the exams a try, please post your scores and rating (and videos if available) on the AZB BU thread. FYI, scores, videos, and ratings for many AZB users are already there, but it would be fun (and meaningful) to see more.
Enjoy,
Dave
Yea, you mad.
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I'm curious why you want me to back up my statements. I only stated that I'm a C player at best. Do I need to prove I can make a ball to be a C player, like you?
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Yep, because all some on here seem able to do is call names and start stuff. I'ts pretty sad.