Over & Under Balabushka Guessing Contest

Bluebook comments...

I read in the other thread our friend David had some critique he shared on the BB3 pricing. How do YOU read this cue in terms of the book? IMHO This cue falls between the 6th cue on page 142 and the 3rd cue from the top of 143. That puts the cue in the 12500/25000 range. Now thats a big range at 98%.
This cue is a Spain forearm, 12 inlays in the points, 12 inlays in the backend, PLUS the ringwork. Above the wrap and in the butt sleeve. The one thing the book doesn't mention in detail, and I am not sure it should, is what distinguishes the pricing of the rings and their desirability. Being intimate with these cues, I can tell you this cue had IMHO a very desirable design to the entire cue. That backend is worth a PREMIUM and so are the wider rings above the wrap. The inlays above the points are nice, but would have been worth more if there were 5 or 6 per point. Taste will vary, but IMHO this is a premium Bushka.
There is also a blanket statement in the BB that touches most of what I mentioned. "George specialized in one of a kind cues that can command many times these prices due to the use of these materials and artistry"
Most people when using the bluebook do two things, forget that statement and not use the condition as a factor.
This cue is in 95/90 maybe, maybe more. Has extra shafts, AND authentication. Due to the ringwork, papers, condition, artistry, other factors, if someone asked me, 20/25k is not an unrealistic number. Plus depending upon how you sell the Mosconi aspect, you might get more.
So again, I do not feel the BB is off that far on this cue at all, but in the end, it comes down to if you're the buyer or seller and how you want to interpret (manipulate) the BB to your advantage. It also as always comes down to the buyers desire to own the cue.

JV
 
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classiccues said:
I read in the other thread our friend David had some critique he shared on the BB3 pricing. How do YOU read this cue in terms of the book? IMHO This cue falls between the 6th cue on page 142 and the 3rd cue from the top of 143. That puts the cue in the 12500/25000 range. Now thats a big range at 98%.
This cue is a Spain forearm, 12 inlays in the points, 12 inlays in the backend, PLUS the ringwork. Above the wrap and in the butt sleeve. The one thing the book doesn't mention in detail, and I am not sure it should, is what distinguishes the pricing of the rings and their desirability. Being intimate with these cues, I can tell you this cue had IMHO a very desirable design to the entire cue. That backend is worth a PREMIUM and so are the wider rings above the wrap. The inlays above the points are nice, but would have been worth more if there were 5 or 6 per point. Taste will vary, but IMHO this is a premium Bushka.
There is also a blanket statement in the BB that touches most of what I mentioned. "George specialized in one of a kind cues that can command many times these prices due to the use of these materials and artistry"
Most people when using the bluebook do two things, forget that statement and not use the condition as a factor.
This cue is in 95/90 maybe, maybe more. Has extra shafts, AND authentication. Due to the ringwork, papers, condition, artistry, other factors, if someone asked me, 20/25k is not an unrealistic number. Plus depending upon how you sell the Mosconi aspect, you might get more.
So again, I do not feel the BB is off that far on this cue at all, but in the end, it comes down to if you're the buyer or seller and how you want to interpret (manipulate) the BB to your advantage. It also as always comes down to the buyers desire to own the cue.

JV
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JV

I'm with you. This cue is great, but not all that much better than similar Bushkas sold recently. I thought the reserve of 23.5K (if that's what it is) was a bit of a stretch. The speculation was fun and again, great cue, got to love those rings, it ended right on the $$ IMHO.


Kevin
 
classiccues said:
I read in the other thread our friend David had some critique he shared on the BB3 pricing. How do YOU read this cue in terms of the book? IMHO This cue falls between the 6th cue on page 142 and the 3rd cue from the top of 143. That puts the cue in the 12500/25000 range. Now thats a big range at 98%.
This cue is a Spain forearm, 12 inlays in the points, 12 inlays in the backend, PLUS the ringwork. Above the wrap and in the butt sleeve. The one thing the book doesn't mention in detail, and I am not sure it should, is what distinguishes the pricing of the rings and their desirability. Being intimate with these cues, I can tell you this cue had IMHO a very desirable design to the entire cue. That backend is worth a PREMIUM and so are the wider rings above the wrap. The inlays above the points are nice, but would have been worth more if there were 5 or 6 per point. Taste will vary, but IMHO this is a premium Bushka.
There is also a blanket statement in the BB that touches most of what I mentioned. "George specialized in one of a kind cues that can command many times these prices due to the use of these materials and artistry"
Most people when using the bluebook do two things, forget that statement and not use the condition as a factor.
This cue is in 95/90 maybe, maybe more. Has extra shafts, AND authentication. Due to the ringwork, papers, condition, artistry, other factors, if someone asked me, 20/25k is not an unrealistic number. Plus depending upon how you sell the Mosconi aspect, you might get more.
So again, I do not feel the BB is off that far on this cue at all, but in the end, it comes down to if you're the buyer or seller and how you want to interpret (manipulate) the BB to your advantage. It also as always comes down to the buyers desire to own the cue.

JV
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I guess I am the only one who thought the cue was worth much more. I think the seller left a lot of cash on the table by not providing the Provenance stated in His Auction description. I was told he has photos of Miz and G.Szamboti with the cue in their hands during a 70's championship,which would have helped validate his claims.One would have to ask why would two greats be interested in this cue unless it is what He represented.A photo with the cue in Mosconi's hands while playing in a major Tournament would have pushed the price to the level I thought the cue was worth.Whoever gets the cue can double,maybe even triple the current price if the cue can be,without a doubt, linked to Mosconi.The astetics of the cue,as well as the almost pristine condition,make it highly desireable sans any documented Provenance.
 
hangemhigh said:
I guess I am the only one who thought the cue was worth much more. I think the seller left a lot of cash on the table by not providing the Provenance stated in His Auction description. I was told he has photos of Miz and G.Szamboti with the cue in their hands during a 70's championship,which would have helped validate his claims.One would have to ask why would two greats be interested in this cue unless it is what He represented.A photo with the cue in Mosconi's hands while playing in a major Tournament would have pushed the price to the level I thought the cue was worth.Whoever gets the cue can double,maybe even triple the current price if the cue can be,without a doubt, linked to Mosconi.The astetics of the cue,as well as the almost pristine condition,make it highly desireable sans any documented Provenance.
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I never considered the pictures of Gus or Miz as provenance as even the seller claimed they never owned the stick. If that worked, I was going to run some cues up to SVB and take some pics of him holding them and wait.
The seller had nothing linking the cue to Mosconi and that's where this auction failed. I thought the cue did pretty well to end up where it did, which seemed to me to be right on the money. The seller sent me an eMail today about how the Mosconi family had the "other 2" Mosconi Bushkas and they want 250K each, so it seems this cue won't be changing hands real soon.

Kevin
 
I'm a little surprised that it didn't pull the reserve....such an asthetically pleasing design for a Bushka....nice colors, materials, and options - plus the letter. I too feel the seller probably fell a little short in presenting his accompanying provenance RE: the Miz and Willie Mosconi and this cue. Further documentation should have helped. At any rate, it was nice to see such a nice example surface.
 
kvinbrwr said:
I never considered the pictures of Gus or Miz as provenance as even the seller claimed they never owned the stick. If that worked, I was going to run some cues up to SVB and take some pics of him holding them and wait.
The seller had nothing linking the cue to Mosconi and that's where this auction failed. I thought the cue did pretty well to end up where it did, which seemed to me to be right on the money. The seller sent me an eMail today about how the Mosconi family had the "other 2" Mosconi Bushkas and they want 250K each, so it seems this cue won't be changing hands real soon.

Kevin
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The photos would have added creditability to the Auction,and again,those two would not take an interest to just any cue.Phots of G.Szamboti are collectable in their own right,as well as those of the Miz. I don't think you can dismiss the interest these two showed in the cue,if the photos do indeed exist.The faliure of the Seller to add these hurt his Auction,but that is a moot point now.
 
If you looked

The shipping cost was my guess. It basicly screamed 30,000. At a dollar a hundren and anything over they would have probably just thrown in!
Simple mind,
Nick :)
 
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