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av84fun said:
Hey rossaroni...where are those male/female 9 Ball Break & Run stats you said you found. Did I miss your post?
Regards,
Jim
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I was kidding around when I found your stats- MEN BREAK AND RUN MORE THEN THE WOMEN. Sorry, I didn't know you thought I wasn't joking. Just out of curiousity, what do you want them for. Is it going to strenghthen your case in some way? Do you think women b&r as much, more, or close as the men?
 
Hey, for all you sexist people who think that the men beat the women, I have a bet for you. I will stake Loree Jon Jones against Thorsten for any ammount you would like to bet. We will figure out the details later. She did beat him at the last IPT tournament, therefore she is a better player. If anyone of you is so blind to not see this, I will not turn down free money.

P.S. AV84FUN- Neils finished 25th at the tournamen that Allison beat him. I think she placed 86th. So, what's your point? Plus, as many others may know, round robin can sometimes make certain matches meaningless. If the person is already in to the next round, or if they can't make the next round no matter what, they might not always give it there all. Not saying this is what happened in the match with Neils and Allison, but it's possible. It could be that she just played better then him in that set. However, I would still be so blind to like him in a LONGGGG race with her.
 
In the early 1900's Frances Anderson had a standing offer to play any woman for $5,000 and she beat them all. Also won against 50% of the men.

Jake
 
rossaroni said:
Hey, for all you sexist people who think that the men beat the women, I have a bet for you. I will stake Loree Jon Jones against Thorsten for any ammount you would like to bet. We will figure out the details later. She did beat him at the last IPT tournament, therefore she is a better player. If anyone of you is so blind to not see this, I will not turn down free money.
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I really really really hope this is sarcasm. If I were bold enough to put my money on any of the women on tour, it sure as hell wouldnt be LJJ. She can get the 7 from a skinny little shaking kid in Atlanta if you really want to back her. And Thorsten is playing as well as anyone right now.

Southpaw
 
I've heard that Thorsten doesn't gamble at all on pool according to an article of a billiard magazine I read so the Thorsten / LJJ bet is a pretty safe statement if you are aware of that.

I saw Allison beat Neils at the KOTH as well. In fact, he BARELY edged her out of moving on to the next day as they both had 3 wins out of their group I believe and Neils had a small % better GLI.

I've gotta say that I think Allison is a lot better than a lot of people on these boards think she is. Is she the top player in the world, no, probably not, is she in the top 10, probably not, but there are a few big named players that are members of the IPT and have played just as many tournament as she has, who have a much worse ranking currently than she does after the first two tournaments this year. There's even one that has been a member of the Mosconi cup more than once, but yet, has a worse IPT record.

All this comes out to pure speculation as I seriously doubt she would play anyone for money in the gambling arena, as it seems like she makes enough money through the WPBA and sponsorships to be comfortable without needing to gamble for a living.

If she makes a couple of tweaks to her game and physical conditioning and improves her break and works on her stamina to make it through multiple days of the grueling round robin while still being able to perform at her best, I think she will surprise a lot of people on these boards that could have to eat their words a year or two from now.

I think time will tell just how good she is against the guys, assuming that the IPT continues on to next year, she has a pretty good chance to be in the top 100 for this year and not have to play to re-qualify at all.
 
GreatWyrmI've gotta say that I think Allison is a lot better than a lot of people on these boards think she is. Is she the top player in the world said:
I don't think anyone ever said she was not a great player. I think the debate is wheather she can beat most of the professional men on a consistant basis. Better yet, does she play as good as the men. Everyone knows that even though you win a match or even a tournament, does not mean you are the best player. They may have played the best that match or tournament, but we are talking overall better players. I would not be surprised if Allison did real good in an IPT event, but does one match or tournament make a great case for the debate. Of course she can and will beat some of the top men from time to time, but in a long race, I think they will prevail MOST of the time. The debate started when someone mentioned that they would bet on Allison against any male not in the top 12-alternate breaks.
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ROSS...<I think the debate is wheather she can beat most of the professional men on a consistant basis.>>
Yes, that did become the debate for some unknown reason. I certainly never suggested she could. But I think that she can beat A LOT of known, touring pro men but that the testosterone levels (and there is "bad and good testosterone" just like bad and good cholesterol") won't allow some here to admit that...so they change the debate to whether she can beat ALL male pros.

What those people seem to forget is that in an alternate break format you do NOT compete against an opponent...you compete against the TABLE and if you DON'T MISS then all that can beat you is bad rolls.

You asked about the B&R percentage...male vs. female and what I think that percentage is. I've never seen the stats so I don't know which is why I am interested. My GUESS is that Allison vs. the male pros NOT in say the top 25 money winnings would rank about 70-80 of their B&R percentage. She ranked about 25-30% in 8 Ball but I am fairly sure she would rank MUCH higher than that in 9 Ball.

Regards,
Jim
 
av84fun, you are quite a piece of work.

You come on here and make some bogus remarks, and claim that they are widely known truths.

I repeatedly, and in depth in post 76, explain the errors of your thinking.

In a pathetic attempt to be right at all costs, you go on the main board and post, "does anyone know definately that allison was prohibited from playing in the first challenge match with mike sigel" I can't believe that you are willing to proceed further down this pathetic path you are on, based on any strangers reply to yor post. Talk about credibility and HEARSAY.

It is clear that your are just an opinionated, simpleton, windbag. Your ability to post annonamously on a forum, has deluded you into thinking that you are more important than you really are.

And even though i feel sorry for you, i can't tolerate someone with such a blatant disregard for common courtesy. If you haven't figured it out, it is NOT ok to tarnish somone's reputation based on hearsay, claim it as fact, and continue to either stand behind your original remarks, or fail to retract them after the truth is finally revealed.

I can no longer spend any of my precious time, either now or in the future, reading or replying to any of your ridiculous posts.

You know have the dubious distinction, out of nearly 6000 members to be #2 on my ignore list.

Get a life.

rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
You know have the dubious distinction, out of nearly 6000 members to be #2 on my ignore list.
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Sorry RG, I know it's not my business, but I just got curious about who's #1... c",)
 
Damn...I've had to speed read through this long thread so I can shed a bit of light. Now you guys have someone here who knows Allie & can get in touch in about 10 seconds. For the record...Allison has gambled. Tony Watson came to Mothers & offered her the 6 out...we passed a hat around and collected $5k. They played 7 ahead. Allie snapped that off in about 16 minutes. Tony was so HOT he came back two nights later and tried her again...same spot...same bet...she took only 30 minutes that time to beat him. Funny thing...that very weekend we had an open event. Allie beat Tony 9-5 playing even to knock him out. I lost a ton side betting with Kelly Oyama when Sam Monday was playing an unknown new girl...bet was real high that Sam wouldn't reach 5 in the race to 9. Sam & I went in half...he got beat 9-2....Karen Corr.
Allie also played Brian Groce. He was in town and had beat Ron Park, and the rest of the local talent. He offered Kelly Oyama the 5 out...and tortured her...then told Allie she could have the 6 out. She killed him. Then he made her move from the Diamonds to the one GC...she still beat him. Also I bought her in a local tourney I ran once. I bought her for like $120 on the 5th blind. She beat Stevie Moore 9-2, then came through and had to beat Tommy Kennedy twice to win the event...she did 9-4, 9-2.
The only action I know she lost was to Cliff once when he gave her the 6. Anyway...she's not going to make a living beating the top 10 men in the world. But be very careful betting against her at any given time...against anyone.;)
 
Varney Cues said:
Damn...I've had to speed read through this long thread so I can shed a bit of light. Now you guys have someone here who knows Allie & can get in touch in about 10 seconds. For the record...Allison has gambled. Tony Watson came to Mothers & offered her the 6 out...we passed a hat around and collected $5k. They played 7 ahead. Allie snapped that off in about 16 minutes. Tony was so HOT he came back two nights later and tried her again...same spot...same bet...she took only 30 minutes that time to beat him. Funny thing...that very weekend we had an open event. Allie beat Tony 9-5 playing even to knock him out. I lost a ton side betting with Kelly Oyama when Sam Monday was playing an unknown new girl...bet was real high that Sam wouldn't reach 5 in the race to 9. Sam & I went in half...he got beat 9-2....Karen Corr.
Allie also played Brian Groce. He was in town and had beat Ron Park, and the rest of the local talent. He offered Kelly Oyama the 5 out...and tortured her...then told Allie she could have the 6 out. She killed him. Then he made her move from the Diamonds to the one GC...she still beat him. Also I bought her in a local tourney I ran once. I bought her for like $120 on the 5th blind. She beat Stevie Moore 9-2, then came through and had to beat Tommy Kennedy twice to win the event...she did 9-4, 9-2.
The only action I know she lost was to Cliff once when he gave her the 6. Anyway...she's not going to make a living beating the top 10 men in the world. But be very careful betting against her at any given time...against anyone.;)
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Wow...who wouldnt bet on her getting the 6 out???!!! And 1 race to 9 doesnt mean a whole lot either. I know for a fact, If she wants to play Stevie EVEN, she's got all the action she (or the rail) wants! Say 8 or 10 ahead for $20k....then we can see what she is made of.

Southpaw
 
roy, (and the drum roll please..........)

the number one on the list of most annoying people i have ever met on an internet forum,and the very first to be ignored.........



onepockethump

rg
 
Varney Cues said:
Damn...I've had to speed read through this long thread so I can shed a bit of light. Now you guys have someone here who knows Allie & can get in touch in about 10 seconds. For the record...Allison has gambled. Tony Watson came to Mothers & offered her the 6 out...we passed a hat around and collected $5k. They played 7 ahead. Allie snapped that off in about 16 minutes. Tony was so HOT he came back two nights later and tried her again...same spot...same bet...she took only 30 minutes that time to beat him. Funny thing...that very weekend we had an open event. Allie beat Tony 9-5 playing even to knock him out. I lost a ton side betting with Kelly Oyama when Sam Monday was playing an unknown new girl...bet was real high that Sam wouldn't reach 5 in the race to 9. Sam & I went in half...he got beat 9-2....Karen Corr.
Allie also played Brian Groce. He was in town and had beat Ron Park, and the rest of the local talent. He offered Kelly Oyama the 5 out...and tortured her...then told Allie she could have the 6 out. She killed him. Then he made her move from the Diamonds to the one GC...she still beat him. Also I bought her in a local tourney I ran once. I bought her for like $120 on the 5th blind. She beat Stevie Moore 9-2, then came through and had to beat Tommy Kennedy twice to win the event...she did 9-4, 9-2.
The only action I know she lost was to Cliff once when he gave her the 6. Anyway...she's not going to make a living beating the top 10 men in the world. But be very careful betting against her at any given time...against anyone.;)
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Roger Griffis gave Allison Fisher the 7-out for a few thousand back in either '01 or '02, and he tortured her. Alot of people know about this.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
Roger Griffis gave Allison Fisher the 7-out for a few thousand back in either '01 or '02, and he tortured her. Alot of people know about this.
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Unless you have a video of the match and a signed statement from both players, AV84FUN will tell YOU it never happened.
 
Perk, after scanning through this entire thread, all I can say is that yes, at this point in time, the men pros outplay the women pros. I think even in the short time I've been around the pool scene, I've noticed the gap slowly closing however.

Do I think that Allison and Karen can compete with men at open events? Absolutely. Are they considered the favorites to win them? No. Do I think they are favored to cash in those events? Yes.

As far as the weekly Hall of Fame tournaments, I do believe that they would be considered the favorites to finish in the top three regularly. Now, I do want to recognize that they are double elimination, races to 5 and 4 events. I think if the races were longer, I think they're chances are better. A few years ago, when I was playing in them every week, I managed to cash seven weeks in a row in that tournament, including a 2nd place, 2 3rds, and one fourth place finish (I don't really know how that happened!). And I consider Karen and Allison's games WAY above mine. So that's why I say that...

Alice Rim
 
<<>>Wow...who wouldnt bet on her getting the 6 out???>>>
A LOT of guys wouldn't bet. Read the thread.
But they are dumb.
 
cuetechasaurus...<<I guarantee you that if one of these matches were to happen, you probably would go into hiding.>>

You know what? You need to shut your pie hole before you dig your stupid hole any deeper. You are such a dumb shit that you suggest that you can GUARANTEE something about someone you don't even know.

As for quoting...why don't you quote my ass?
 
Well NYC Dude if you think that defaming women 9 Ball CHAMPIONS is any less egregious than anything I have posted I would suggest that you are a candidate for a penile implant...after which you might not feel as inwardly inferior as you apparently do.

And how about misquoting and/or mischaracterizing posts? Where does that place YOU on your misguided list of irritating posters. Show me where i posted that my suggestion that MS ducked AF was a FACT. All I know is that AF was in negotiations first...that there were LOTS of problems in those negotiations and the LJJ was finally selected. Looked like a duck to me but I never said that I KNEW that to be the case for a FACT!

Why don't you let MS worry about his reputation? What hurts his reputation is his incessant demeaning of the women's skills and touting himself...today...long after his truly legendary skills have faded over the horizon...as "the one to beat." Actually, he certainly was "the one to beat" as a lot of players demonstrated to him.

You hold yourself out as the "be all" SUPER GURU of cue sports but then you take the position...in so many words...that a player of AF's skills virtually has NO CHANCE against virtually ANY male player which is just unadulterated stone age, bigoted ignorance.

But worst of all is your unbridled ARROGANCE in attempting to "prove your point" by suggesting a wager of SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS. Again, check with your urologist. I really think he OR SHE...could help with the massive inferiority complex from which you must suffer that led you to suggest such an arrogant and preposterous bet.

But really, THANKS for feeling sorry for me. I really appreciate that. Honestly, I do. It shows that you are beginning to get more in touch with your female side and since you are obviously a capitalist by nature, you would profit handsomely from doing so.
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av84fun said:
And how about misquoting and/or mischaracterizing posts? Where does that place YOU on your misguided list of irritating posters. Show me where i posted that my suggestion that MS ducked AF was a FACT. (-:
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"Actually, it is well known that he DID duck...not only Allision but every other top ranked female when he chose to do the King of the Hill even against LJJ. Again, and with HUGE respect for LJJ, she is NOW not a top ranked player."

It's not fact, but you sure wrote it like it was.
 
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