overrated and/or crappy cuemakers?

[Voodoo Daddy]

A good many folks only get to see & meet some of the cue makers at Valley Forge. While most of us have a jam up time there, it's pretty brutal for the vendors, esp the cue makers. At the Expo in Baltimore I was working a booth by a cue co that will remain unnamed. They were talking to someone about Valley Forge and they said it's not an enjoyable experience for them. The hours for the vendors are very long and it's non-stop dealing with the public all day, every day. It's possible that if you've only met a cue maker at that show, you're not exactly getting their good side. They're probably tired, worn out, and running quite thin on patience by the time you meet up with them.

The BCA had a nice gathering at the Sheraton on Thur night as a going away party for Amy Long and Stephen Ducoff. Some of the people there included Dan Dishaw, Jim Stadum, & Jerry Olivier. There were others there but these are the 3 that I spent the most time talking to and I found all three to be quite funny and enjoyable to be around.

Timberly...I see your point about the long hours..of which I have first hand experience with. 2005 I worked with Dennis Searing at his booth and last year with Pete Ohman. A trade show isnt the place to try to really get to know a cuemaker, especially when eveyone and their Aunt Tilly wants to get their orders in or cues picked up right now. My post was from dealing with a number of cuemakers over a 20 year span and I was really being nice, LOL!!

Now as far as players are concerned... BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

be honest, who are they? Looks like Coker just lost a fan.

This is really in poor taste!!!

 

[Icon of Sin]

do you really expect someone to come on this forum and say this cuemaker is worthless, not good, wont cooperate, does bad work, etc, etc?

probably within a day or two you would have that cuemaker contacting you, wanting to know what your problem is.

DCP

I think this is the first time I agree with you DCP.

It is extremely ridiculous to ask people to state which makers they think suck especially when the majority of them post and read here and get there business here.

You obviously hve not been here long enough to see how things work. (not just regarding this thread, but regarding others you have created as well)

When a cuemaker or dealer screws up people will usually mention it on the forums in hopes of getting the situation resolved. However, making a list of makers just to call them out on bad transactions is a little uncalled for, especially if they rectified the situation, and especially if you PERSONALLY had nothing to do with the transcation.

 

[alstl]

Actually, I find the fact that you speak so well of his cues despite this incident has me cruising around the various cue sellers on the net looking at his cues. What do they say, "no publicity is bad publicity".

Really? I have a Crest that hits a ton but they have poor service IMO. I might be willing to part with it for the right price. It has both a firm and soft hit, very unique.

 

[steev]

there are more than a couple of makers i would be wary of. some are overpriced, others, not my style, other, well, let's just say i don't think they're really that good

but these are my opinions and not for worldwide public viewing. these guys gotta eat too.

-s

 

[pharaoh68]

Ok. I deleted my earlier post about a certain cuemaker whom I do NOT admire or appreciate. Rather than to write paragraph after paragraph on the short-comings of an individual cuemaker, I will simply go so far as to say I do not like his work and I do not think his prices are representative of his quality. That's all.

 

[Salamander]

there are more than a couple of makers i would be wary of. some are overpriced, others, not my style, other, well, let's just say i don't think they're really that good

but these are my opinions and not for worldwide public viewing. these guys gotta eat too.

-s

Why not make public a bad experiance that you had with a cuemaker? I see people all the time rant and rave about how great a cuemaker is, why not express opinion about how bad a cuemaker is?

I listened to all the hoopla about Skip Weston and what a great cuemaker he supposedly is, so I decided to have him do some work for me. The work was poorly done and Skip made no effort to "make things right". Had people been more forthcoming about their experiances with certain cuemakers, then perhaps I would not have gone to this guy.

I'm sure that there are a ton of people out there that just love Skip Weston's work and think he is the "cat's meow" when it comes to cuemaking. He also probably turns out a good product occasionally....unfortunately, I was not the recipient of his "good work".

Regards,

Doug

 

[JoeyInCali]

Overrated- Kaizer Sose in Alaska. Pretty cues but nobody plays with 'em.
Underrated-Ned Morris and Perry Weston.

 

[cueandcushion]

Different view for me

I don't think Coker is a bad cue maker or dealer. He does produce quality cues that hit a ton. Usually his service is great. I just think he is having some problems right now and it is screwing him up. I only posted what happened to me so I could get(hopefully), his attention...If not, I will have my friend fix it...
His cues are great quality and hit good. You can not go wrong with a Coker.. His service is just getting bad lately...

We sell Coker cues in our store and I have never heard this from anyone. Coker has always given us great service. Is always easy to deal with. I know from experience things happen beyond your control (power outages, broken equipment) and when you get behind everyone blames you and cusses you. Maybe he is going through a period where only HE knows the whole story. Who knows? I disagree with people posting on public forums only posting one side of the story. But it seems to be the popular thing to do these days. I hope if anyone has a problem with MY store or MY products they would have the courtesy to let me post my response to any complaints on public forums. Just my $.02.

*Still a fan of Coker cues*

 

[NINEBALLART]

You disagree with posting only one side of the story?? How can I post both sides?? Tom Coker has been sent a copy of these e-mails and is free to respond. He knows what has been said and it is up to him to repond...What do you mean, one side???
Sometimes people don't like to hear the truth about someone they deal with or do business with or are friends with. But I have witnesses from his shop to back me up...That is probably why he is not responding......

I stated that I like Tom and his wife, but, this time he won't come through as promised and is giving me the run around and I couldn't think of a way to get his attention... I also stated he made great looking cues, quality work and they hit great...I am just at a loss as to why he is being like this and his wife is on my side...Any suggestions?????

 

[enzo]

i think a better question is who are the overpriced cuemakers, since most cuemakers people buy cues from on here are all very good.

i´ll start the list with a name im familiar with because hes close, and although i think his cues are fine quality, they are just too much....

Ariel Carmeli

 

[Michael Webb]

i think a better question is who are the overpriced cuemakers, since most cuemakers people buy cues from on here are all very good.

i´ll start the list with a name im familiar with because hes close, and although i think his cues are fine quality, they are just too much....

Ariel Carmeli

Threads like this and the direction they always take are one thing about this forum that I am least proud of as a member.

 

[Bishop]

Threads like this and the direction they always take are one thing about this forum that I am least proud of as a member.

I have to agree to a certain point because there is such a fine line between good productive dialouge and useless bashing and blatant negative garbage.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

i think a better question is who are the overpriced cuemakers, since most cuemakers people buy cues from on here are all very good.

If a cuemaker has a waiting list, I don't think it is possible for him to be overpriced. IOW if he is getting his asking price he may be priced just right, or maybe a little low. There are some cuemakers that I wish were affordable to me, but I would not say that they are overpriced.

I hope this makes sense.

Tracy

 

[PoolSleuth]

If a cuemaker has a waiting list, I don't think it is possible for him to be overpriced. IOW if he is getting his asking price he may be priced just right, or maybe a little low. There are some cuemakers that I wish were affordable to me, but I would not say that they are overpriced.

I hope this makes sense.

Tracy

you made a very good point...

 

[pharaoh68]

Threads like this and the direction they always take are one thing about this forum that I am least proud of as a member.

I have to respectfully disagree. This is a great place for people with a true interest in pool and cues to come and learn from one another and their experiences. That being said, for those who are less informed than others or who may have less experience with cues, asking some of the authoritiy figures (or at least those with a good deal more experience) on these forums can be productive. If a cuemaker sees his name on this list he can do oneof two things: 1) realize that one person's opinion is just that... an opinion that belongs to one person. It is not necessarily a statement that reflects how every player feels. 2) should the sentiment be echoed by a number of people, then the cuemaker could take heed some of the "advice" of these people.

As enzo said, there are several cuemakers out there who make decent cues (and by decent, I mean average but far from superior) and yet they charge superior rates. Carmelli's cues are a bit pricey. He is one of many. Now, just because people are buying them does not necessarily mean that the cue is worth that price. It could be a buying trend as many of us have witnessed on thissite before. It could be indicative of something else. But the fact still remains that some cuemakers out there are pumping out cues that are not of top notch quality and yet are still commanding high dollar value. Thus, someone who may not be in the know is spending money on a reputation that may not be deserved.

I think warning that individual is only fair.

 

[etimmons]

cue prices

I have to respectfully disagree. This is a great place for people with a true interest in pool and cues to come and learn from one another and their experiences. That being said, for those who are less informed than others or who may have less experience with cues, asking some of the authoritiy figures (or at least those with a good deal more experience) on these forums can be productive. If a cuemaker sees his name on this list he can do oneof two things: 1) realize that one person's opinion is just that... an opinion that belongs to one person. It is not necessarily a statement that reflects how every player feels. 2) should the sentiment be echoed by a number of people, then the cuemaker could take heed some of the "advice" of these people.

As enzo said, there are several cuemakers out there who make decent cues (and by decent, I mean average but far from superior) and yet they charge superior rates. Carmelli's cues are a bit pricey. He is one of many. Now, just because people are buying them does not necessarily mean that the cue is worth that price. It could be a buying trend as many of us have witnessed on thissite before. It could be indicative of something else. But the fact still remains that some cuemakers out there are pumping out cues that are not of top notch quality and yet are still commanding high dollar value. Thus, someone who may not be in the know is spending money on a reputation that may not be deserved.

I think warning that individual is only fair.

I always thought anything was worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I think it is called free enterprise. Just because you think they are overpriced doesn't mean everyone does.