Overweight break cues

[CreeDo]

An oldie but goodie. I'd like to have a moment of silence for PJ, who made a very simple and logical explanation in post #14.

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ok thanks.
My buddy has a 27 ouncer. It does indeed slow down my stroke. Don't care for it.
Your arm actually gets tired after a short time. That'll also hurt your break results.

 

[allanpsand]

I'm a fan of using your playing cue as a break stick. It is the stick you have the most familiarity and with the experience of thousands (and thousands) of shots.

Using a hard medium tip eliminates mushrooming. Closely monitor the tip for "freshening" the curve and surface.

 

[Okie]

An oldie but goodie. I'd like to have a moment of silence for PJ, who made a very simple and logical explanation in post #14.

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ok thanks.
My buddy has a 27 ouncer. It does indeed slow down my stroke. Don't care for it.
Your arm actually gets tired after a short time. That'll also hurt your break results.

I felt exactly the same way.

Bring him back. He added value to many subjects.

I would rather have PJ busting me in the nose with his difference of opinion instead of being ignored in silence by the Anti-PJ.

Our difference in opinions is the teacher!

Ken

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

I felt exactly the same way.

Bring him back. He added value to many subjects.

I would rather have PJ busting me in the nose with his difference of opinion instead of being ignored in silence by the Anti-PJ.

Our difference in opinions is the teacher!

Ken

Try just agreeing with the Anti-PJ no matter what you believe and you will not be ignored.

 

[CreeDo]

I'm a fan of using your playing cue as a break stick. It is the stick you have the most familiarity and with the experience of thousands (and thousands) of shots.

Using a hard medium tip eliminates mushrooming. Closely monitor the tip for "freshening" the curve and surface.

I'm about to replace my OB shaft from hitting some hard fancy stroke shots with it. The ferrule cracked. So I just can't subscribe to this, at least not as long as I'm using OB2 + moori medium.

I know some players (including pros) do it, but imo nothing beats having the right tool for the job. I'm ten times more familiar with my playing cue than my jump cue, but guess which one jumps better?

 

[Okie]

Try just agreeing with the Anti-PJ no matter what you believe and you will not be ignored.

Good solid logic right there! Has been successful for many a politician and/or marketeer.

Unfortunately, I am not that clever. I just say what I think. And I am wrong on many occasions but I ain't afraid to voice my opinion, be wrong and make correction then move on.

I had a coworker refer to me as a "stream of conscious thought". Some where along my life I failed to pick up a politically correct filter that so many seem to have.

Ken

 

[Okie]

I'm about to replace my OB shaft from hitting some hard fancy stroke shots with it. The ferrule cracked. So I just can't subscribe to this, at least not as long as I'm using OB2 + moori medium.

I know some players (including pros) do it, but imo nothing beats having the right tool for the job. I'm ten times more familiar with my playing cue than my jump cue, but guess which one jumps better?

My feelings on a breaker are to use a heavy cue and stroke as hard as you can and still hit the cue ball squarely and consistently putting the priority on a solid hit and consistency over speed.

I have seen OB replace cracked ferrules on most occasions. Their support has been outstanding in my experience!

Good luck!

Ken

 

[Maniac]

I'm a fan of using your playing cue as a break stick. It is the stick you have the most familiarity and with the experience of thousands (and thousands) of shots.

Using a hard medium tip eliminates mushrooming. Closely monitor the tip for "freshening" the curve and surface.

What if your preference in tips runs softer than a hard medium tip?

I don't break with my playing cue for three reasons: 1.) I use an LD shaft and don't want to subject the cored-out end to that much force time and time again. 2.) I prefer a tip in the medium range and don't want to deal with mushrooming issues. 3.) I had Larry (Vigus) make me a dedicated break cue the same length (60"), weight (19.5 0z.), and shaft taper as my playing cue (the difference being a larger pin (3/8 x 10), wood-to-wood joint, and a one piece G-10 tip/ferrule. Feels just like my playing cue in my hands)

This is an "each to his own" subject with no right or wrong answers. I've seen people get to acting goofy on here because people do different things than they do, and there's just no reason for it.

Maniac (NOT insinuating that YOU are goofy by quoting your post, Allan!!!)

 

[1shot]

Break Cues

What this all boils down to is everybody is different !

The biomechanics of the human body dictates that some people can break

the best with a heavy cue and others with a light cue and everything in

between.

I happen to be one that the heavy cue ( based on trial an error with a

radar) gives me better cue ball speed.


So go experiment!


Good luck "C.D."

 

[stutz]

I have a 24 .oz Cannon break cue, I love it. I've been told by a friend who's alot stronger player than I that I need a bc at or around the same weight as my player. But I feel more comfortable with the heavier stick. Rack spreads nicely, especially on a bar box.

 

[DEXTER]

Rage

Picked up one of these Rage heavy hitter jump break cues. 25 oz Leather tip. Breaks great and jumps effortlessly. Hell of a deal for the price too.

http://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/rage/rage-rgjbhh-poolcue.htm

 

[danstrokes]

I have a super heavy break cue. I prefer a lighter cue to break with but my elbow starts to hurt after a while so I switch to the heavier one and it helps a lot.

 

[the breed]

i have a 50 ounce cue (built just because) that smashes racks. heavier is always better. most people who tell you a light break cue is better, don't understand the physics of a break. best breaker is 25-30 ounces.

 

[Spider1]

Force = mass x acceleration.

This simple formula confuses some people because they assume there is a large acceleration difference between a light, say 19oz cue and a heavy 25oz cue. There isn't. Your arm and shoulder are hardly slowed by a 6oz difference (thats the weight of an infant's juice box, for example). So that's one part of this to consider. The second part to consider is the other side of the equation: the mass involved. There is a large percentage jump from 19 to 25, so the gains on that side of the equation are considerable.

Finally, two things: no pool organization has a minimum weight for the cue used for a break. None. However, they all have maximum weight limits. Why would that be? If lighter = much faster = much better than why has someone not made up a carbon fiber 1oz break cue? And secondly, controlling the cue ball and hit on the break is very important. A heavier break cue allows you to use less force on acceleration and concentrate more on control and a good hit. Try it yourself.

 

[AtLarge]

Some of you may find this helpful: http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/cue.html#weight

 

[Maniac]

Force = mass x acceleration.

This simple formula confuses some people because they assume there is a large acceleration difference between a light, say 19oz cue and a heavy 25oz cue. There isn't. Your arm and shoulder are hardly slowed by a 6oz difference (thats the weight of an infant's juice box, for example). So that's one part of this to consider. The second part to consider is the other side of the equation: the mass involved. There is a large percentage jump from 19 to 25, so the gains on that side of the equation are considerable.

Finally, two things: no pool organization has a minimum weight for the cue used for a break. None. However, they all have maximum weight limits. Why would that be? If lighter = much faster = much better than why has someone not made up a carbon fiber 1oz break cue? And secondly, controlling the cue ball and hit on the break is very important. A heavier break cue allows you to use less force on acceleration and concentrate more on control and a good hit. Try it yourself.

Okay, here's my question for your reasoning: How many top-tier pros do you think use the maximum allowable weight for their break cues? My guess is: not many. Don't you think that those who try to make a living at this game have got it figured out by now???

Maniac

 

[cEElint]

I use an old 20.5oz Cuetec w/ Triangle med-hard tip for my break stick... smashes racks

 

[Texaspoolplayer]

Has anyone tried a very heavy break cue? I'm looking at this 27-ouncer and curious about any thoughts. I am familiar with the heavy vs. light arguments for break cues, but have never seen one with a weight this far outside the norm.

Pool Dawg has a 100% money back guarantee so that is a definite incentive to try it.

http://www.pooldawg.com/product/elite-heavy-27oz-banned-break-cue

I have the same cue. Got much better results taking the weight out . It will smash a rack now

 

[conetip]

The only thing that is missing in all the thread, is the legal weight of a cue is 25 oz.
If you use a 26 oz cue in a competition that has real rules, expect to be DQ'd if challenged on the legality of the equipment being used.

 

[GADawg]

The only thing that is missing in all the thread, is the legal weight of a cue is 25 oz.
If you use a 26 oz cue in a competition that has real rules, expect to be DQ'd if challenged on the legality of the equipment being used.

Right! Seems most people are ignoring the rules limiting the weight of cues.