Pacific NW fraud alert

asiasdad

asiasdad

Banned
Pat Sheehan aka: The man of the cloth

IS A COMPLETE FRAUD as a pool table mechanic.

This person claims to have 40+ years experience,
yet my table has been butchered beyond belief
by this fraud and his son.

Not one pocket opening is the same as any
other on my 50 year old 9' sport king after
Sheehan & son got done with it.

The formica rail tops have hammer marks all
over them like two monkeys on meth had
them in their paws.

The nose height is as consistant as a
water skiiers wake.

I believe small claims court action may be
required.

Has anyone else experienced this
blatant incompetence from these
people ??

Danny Hepler
Portland, Oregon
 
Check out the Better Business Bureau first...Then check your local building codes since that businesss is a contracting type of business Is that business registered with the city or county they are doing work in ??? If not that can be a citation for working without a permit..there are other avenues too...Good luck to you
 
oh $h!t...

I'm very sorry to hear about this. What was his reply to you after his 'so called work' was done?


B.
 
I guess you didn't get my earlier PM, I said to get the Artemis Intercontinental cushions and cloth ready, I'll be heading up to Washington to drop off a Gabriels 9ft table in Bellingham, then heading back down to Medford, OR to deliver and set up a Diamond 9ft Professional.

The labor for fixing up your table is going to be $500, best I can do:)

Glen
 
Danny H, I had a similar misfortune. In 2007 I found PS, Sr. (Scappoose, OR mrpoollsr@comcast.net 503-313-8646) through a Google seach to repair my Gotham table. We contracted for new leather pockets, felt and rails of 3 African woods. I sent him a set of silver dimes I'd collected since childhood for the new sights. The dimes held special significance for me. I sent him half the money. We had numerous phone conversations in whinc he seemed ver conscientious with dimensions, wood finish and specific leather pockets. PS always answered the phone or returned my call and was cordial. After a year of this I wanted my rails. He said he was out of business and could return neither my money nor my dimes. I live in Atlanta, making it difficult to deal with him face to face. I'd love to have my dimes. I contacted PS, Jr. (mrpool@comcast.net 503-946-8845(h) 503-260-5847(c)) who offered to build my rails - at additional cost. He said he doesn't speak to his dad.
Contact me if you want to commiserate or have any ideas of what we can do.
Holly Hollingsworth
Atlanta rholling424@yahoo.com
 
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rholling said:
Danny H, I had a similar misfortune. In 2007 I found PS, Sr. (Scappoose, OR mrpoollsr@comcast.net 503-313-8646) through a Google seach to repair my Gotham table. We contracted for new leather pockets, felt and rails of 3 African woods. I sent him a set of silver dimes I'd collected since childhood for the new sights. The dimes held special significance for me. I sent him half the money. We had numerous phone conversations in whinc he seemed ver conscientious with dimensions, wood finish and specific leather pockets. PS always answered the phone or returned my call and was cordial. After a year of this I wanted my rails. He said he was out of business and could return neither my money nor my dimes. I live in Atlanta, making it difficult to deal with him face to face. I'd love to have my dimes. I contacted PS, Jr. (mrpool@comcast.net 503-946-8845(h) 503-260-5847(c)) who offered to build my rails - at additional cost. He said he doesn't speak to his dad.
Contact me if you want to commiserate or have any ideas of what we can do.
Holly Hollingsworth
Atlanta rholling424@yahoo.com
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Did he return your rails? I hate hearing story about these hacks screwing people over' what size table do you own?
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Rob.M
 
rholling said:
Danny H, I had a similar misfortune. In 2007 I found PS, Sr. (Scappoose, OR mrpoollsr@comcast.net 503-313-8646) through a Google seach to repair my Gotham table. We contracted for new leather pockets, felt and rails of 3 African woods. I sent him a set of silver dimes I'd collected since childhood for the new sights. The dimes held special significance for me. I sent him half the money. We had numerous phone conversations in whinc he seemed ver conscientious with dimensions, wood finish and specific leather pockets. PS always answered the phone or returned my call and was cordial. After a year of this I wanted my rails. He said he was out of business and could return neither my money nor my dimes. I live in Atlanta, making it difficult to deal with him face to face. I'd love to have my dimes. I contacted PS, Jr. (mrpool@comcast.net 503-946-8845(h) 503-260-5847(c)) who offered to build my rails - at additional cost. He said he doesn't speak to his dad.
Contact me if you want to commiserate or have any ideas of what we can do.
Holly Hollingsworth
Atlanta rholling424@yahoo.com
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Sorry to hear about the rails...I don't know of the guy...but if you need any type of work on your table...I'm more than sure I can be of some assistance.
I do a lot of table work here in Atlanta...under Perfect Pocketz..or Mark Gregory.

If your interested in having me look at your table..fill free to contact me..770-548-4292

If I don't hear from you...I hope it all works out for you.

Mark Gregory
 
asiasdad said:
The formica rail tops have hammer marks all
over them like two monkeys on meth had
them in their paws.
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No disrespect to monkey's but I doubt they were on meth.
I have seen monkey's on crack do similar work, and surprisingly enough monkey's on heroin do terrific work.
Forget the BBB, I would call PETA and the local zoo
 
dontlitethat said:
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Did he return your rails? I hate hearing story about these hacks screwing people over' what size table do you own?
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Rob.M
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Hi Dontlitethat (cool handle), New rails and apron were to be built from scratch. Because he had worked on these 8-footers, he had all the dimensions. I sent only the special dime collection, downpayment and sketches with dimensions and showing where I wanted the dimes placed. Sizable investment of time. h
 
Sheehan

Talks a very good pool table yet lacks even the most basic skills. A number of years ago I read an article in a magazine talking about how Pat tightens pockets "the right way". I always remembered this and when I got ready to redo my GC3 last year I contacted him about it. Well here's what happened. He got the rails in Dec right before Christmas. I got them back in March, ARG. The wooden shims he installed at the end of the rails were geometrically correct and the pocket size was correct and consistent. That's the only thing good I have to say. He installed 760 cloth on the rails and pounded the feather strips below flush on about half the perimeter. When I called him first he said that he didn't do that. That somehow I was mistaken about the condition of them. Then he said it's OK, they're supposed to be that way. I had to either remove the cloth and get new rail cloth or figure a way to pull them back up so the Formica didn't shave my cue on the backstroke. I finally drilled small holes up from underneath and tapped the strip back out with a tiny punch. They were a little loose from changing from 860 to 760 but not so loose that they haven't stayed in place for over a year now. OK no big deal. Well the rubber he glued on was so uneven that it looked like a ripple sighting down the rail. It went from above to below flush on the wood. No problem. Why you say? Because within a couple of weeks the rubber fell off of the wood under the cloth anyway so I had to remove all the rails yet again and glue the rubber on properly. This gave me a chance to fix most of the unevenness. It also gave me a chance to inspect the wooden shims he had made and installed. Turns out they also were falling off as well as most of the facings. ARG again! Like I said, at least they had the right angle to them and made the pockets as I wanted them. The Formica was also damaged and somehow discolored as if sitting in the sun for years on a couple of the rails. Kind of a white haze that wasn't there before. Not sure what he did to accomplish that. Fortunately this was just a workhorse GC3 I bought ten years ago at the student union in Eugene, and not a valuable table. My friend also sent his GC2 rails up with mine and Pat installed new wood laminate and such and it is a much worse disaster than mine. Sorry I got him involved as his rubber is falling off too and I will probably have to go fix it eventually out of guilt. Pat got his shims right too but broke one of his ball counter on the head rail. The laminate looks like hell. Also the cloth he sent me to put on the bed was for an 8 foot table and that was a hassle. He wanted me to glue another piece to it with hot glue and try to hide the seam under a rail instead of supplying the 9 foot cloth that I had paid for. I wasn't going for that BS. I wish I would have seen this thread before I sent my rails there!! Pat is a total hack, that I can confirm. He is not qualified to do anything concerning a pool table. I could have done a much better job myself but was willing to pay for the convenience. Lesson learned. The word I got later from a very reputable source is he had built his reputation on the work of others who he later alienated and they quit him. I do have good pictures of the debacle in case anyone wants to stick up for Mr. Sheehan. Hope this helps someone.

I am thinking of getting a more cosmetically appealing table at some point but was discouraged from this by a professional player who played on it and said I was crazy. I guess he likes the way it plays now. He said you don't get rid of a table like this, you look for one. Anyone want it for a grand?

John
 
Rails

I sold a nice 1903 Brunswick Saratoga to a good friend some years back which he put in a beautiful home pool room he had built. It was a very nice room and won the Billiard Digest "best home pool room" for that year. He decided he wanted new rail caps and ivory diamonds. I'm not against telling someone that something is over my head, and I told him I'd help him find someone. Unfortunately, that was before AZ for me and Pat worked on the rails. I've been back to level the table a few times and I'm always sad to see they were obviously over his head as well.
 
metmot said:
I am thinking of getting a more cosmetically appealing table at some point but was discouraged from this by a professional player who played on it and said I was crazy. I guess he likes the way it plays now. He said you don't get rid of a table like this, you look for one. Anyone want it for a grand?

John
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I've heard of this guys butchery before. Sorry you had to be a victim.
I saw your pics in the other thread showing the work you redid.
I could see an obvious bandsaw cut into the formica on top where he trimmed a subrail extension after it was already on, wow that's sweet work! That guy should be proud. :)

Aside from that the only other thing I saw that was wrong was his subrail extensions are made of solid wood rather than plywood. I've read RKC say that solid wood extensions will crack and split over time, so your nice new subrail extensions could have a limited number of recoverys to survive.

I don't know if you'll be able to get 1k from it. I doubt it. Then you'd have to shell out another 1k on top of the cost of the new table to have that work done again right on the next table, and who knows how long it'll take to find someone who can do the next table right and actually get them out there.

As cheap as tables are now I'd just keep that and enjoy it, it does look like it will play great so you may as well get your moneys worth by using it and look for your next table while you do have a good playing one to use. Once you've got your new table and had it refinished and rebuilt it, then sell the old one.
 
Oregonmeds said:
I've heard of this guys butchery before. Sorry you had to be a victim.
I don't know if you'll be able to get 1k from it. I doubt it. Then you'd have to shell out another 1k on top of the cost of the new table to have that work done again right on the next table, and who knows how long it'll take to find someone who can do the next table right and actually get them out there.

As cheap as tables are now I'd just keep that and enjoy it, it does look like it will play great so you may as well get your moneys worth by using it and look for your next table while you do have a good playing one to use. Once you've got your new table and had it refinished and rebuilt it, then sell the old one.
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Good thoughts, thanks. Actually the only rail I didn't have to reglue now has a 2 inch or so loose rubber and I'm just currently too lazy to take it apart. Working hard for the Western BCA 9 ball championships the week after next. Overall this table plays great. I love the GC4 pockets that don't mar and hold 8 balls. They were well worth the money. At least when I replace it I now know what to emulate in a more workmanship like manner. I paid $1500 for it back in 01 but boy is the market flooded now. You're right about it's value. My thinking is to enjoy it until it needs cloth next and then make a move unless I find a super deal on a better table in the mean while. It's hard to imagine GC's will ever be worth less than they are today.

JC
 
perfectpocketz said:
Sorry to hear about the rails...I don't know of the guy...but if you need any type of work on your table...I'm more than sure I can be of some assistance.
I do a lot of table work here in Atlanta...under Perfect Pocketz..or Mark Gregory.

If your interested in having me look at your table..fill free to contact me..770-548-4292

If I don't hear from you...I hope it all works out for you.

Mark Gregory
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Rep to you Mark. Mark does great work!
 
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