Painpools Workmanship

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bruin70 said:
i just wanted to comment about this particular comment you made because i have never seen painter's work. i'm just commenting on what you and the OP have posted......

most people don't know how to see, especially when it comes to details of craftsmanship. if one is not used to seeing art, then one will not discern imperfections. the OP's comment about the gap on top/below the wrap is a classic cuemaker/repairer faux pas if they're not ABSOLUTELY flush and it tells me the OP is "taking out his magnifying lens"....good for him!

from reading the OP's post, it is quite clear he inspected the cue with a detail oriented and discriminating eye. he sees what he sees and that's that. whether esperitu screwed up is another story.
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Totally true - There are cuemakers who are so good at inlays that you could put a 10x to it and not find a spec of space around any inlays - it costs a lot for such work, and I don't want to pay the extra $$$. I care about playability and a cue that looks great according to my vision (which ain't that good). Same goes for the gaps on either end of a leather wrap - that actually bugs me a little, but not much - or the line where the sides of the leather connect. My cuesmith in Georgia was big on having the ends of an Irish linen wrap be perfect, and they were - more than I cared about, and he explained everything he was doing. I'll post scans at some point and you will be amazed.
 
Agreed

ScottR said:
I doubt Scot (one "T") or Russ (two "S's") or Sean (one "S" and one "N") or anyone wants to mess with this mess at this point.
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I can't imagine anyone would want to get into the middle of this and critique the workmanship or the expectations of either party. NO disrepect to any or either party involved.
Dan
 
ScottR said:
I doubt Scot (one "T") or Russ (two "S's") or Sean (one "S" and one "N") or anyone wants to mess with this mess at this point.
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Hey thanks to Tate and you for pointing out my spelling error, fixed the first name one at least.
 
the thing is,,,if you're used to seeing ginacues, everything else will look average.

it's a curse if your expectations are high.
 
Smorgass Bored said:
Can't any of you people READ ? SA wants to have his cue RE-re-finished and he wants to send it to one of the two people that he mentioned in his post. I was reading these posts out loud and my cat was nodding her head in understanding agreement. What is wrong with YOUR reading comprehension ? sheeeeeeesh !

Doug


Please re-read what SA said:
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If SA wants his Q refinished he should send it to whoever he wants after the differance of opinion between he and PP applicable to the quality of PP's work is resolved.

At this point they are trying to select an arbiter to resolve their differance of opinion.

Hope this clears things up and your cat is no longer :confused: and it can expiain this to you.
 
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cuedoctor said:
Keep Dreaming!!!!Yeah,send it to the guys who have only supported you during all your problems.Ok,send it to RUSS then and let him be the judge.thats about as fair as it can get.This just keeps getting better. Maybe Sore is wrong but sending it to russ is the answer,not your pals:D
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Do you think that BOGEY, SPANKY, CHRISONLINE, WILSON, SPEEDY, GUY CRUNCH, HOWARD, SEAN and EDWARDS are all pals of PAINPOOL and that they would lie for him? IMO any and all would give a honest opinion if given the chance and they chose to do so.

The only friends the writer has are his children....and they have no choice in the matter.
 
Hi

I Spoke with cueaddicts and they would be happy inspect the cue . The point is I should not have to render business to this nonsense and the job is very nice. He has infringed with false statements as to my work and that I just screwed around with his cue and took my time. Not the case, now he says my work sucks and that is also not the truth. I'll pay for any expense he incurs even after the inspection. I will pay the shipping where ever he wants the cue to go. I just want to hear the truth. I have always stood up when I made a mistake and will not run now. I did my best to get his cue done as fast as I could and the work came out great. He has looked at it with angry eyes and would not look to cool :cool: if he would have stated that the cue looked very nice in the end. That is why this is fair!! He owes this to all of you that were even considering sending me a cue at a great price for work to be done. However I have picked up more work as some people viewed it like, man this guy drove, paid , and still would not let the cue leave until it was right. I just want the truth and I KNOW WHAT IT IS! Thanx Aaron 815-243-1101
 
Well after showing the cue around tonight, it seems its not my imagination and there really are flaws in the finish! 2 guys (1 the room owner) stated that it was possibly the worst leather wrap they have ever seen.
I'm not trying to take pot shots at Aaron, just stating the truth.
Upon screwing the shaft onto the butt the leather twisted in my hands and the seam is totally noticeable. There is 3 jagged lines along the seam as well, maybe a dull knife?:confused:
All in all, yes I could live with the dirt in the forearm, you do have to look for it, but it was the first thing I noticed. However, the scratches along the white butt cap and across the Ivory inlays are unacceptable. But again, I could live with it if needed.
The part I cant live with is, it seems my cue gained some weight while it was with Aaron. 1 and 3/8oz. to be exact. This is a HUGE problem for me, as the cue was 18oz to the nuts when I sent it. :(

So who we sending the cue to? Proficient or Espiritu? Another Option is Mike Stacey, he is about 25 mins from me and does great work.
 
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Where is the horrible pics??? Cueaddicts said they would inspect the cue and I will pay for where ever in the world after that you want it to goOOO Don't back out on me.
 
ribdoner said:
Do you think that BOGEY, SPANKY, CHRISONLINE, WILSON, SPEEDY, GUY CRUNCH, HOWARD, SEAN and EDWARDS are all pals of PAINPOOL and that they would lie for him? IMO any and all would give a honest opinion if given the chance and they chose to do so.

The only friends the writer has are his children....and they have no choice in the matter.
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I WOULD NOT LIE FOR ANYBODY.....

chris
 
Aaron, I'm not sending the cue where you tell me, how is that "unbiased"? I can imagine the conversation you had with the person you spoke too.
You don't want pictures.
You don't want the cue maker to look at it.
You don't want the person who is probably considered the best in the field to look.

I am the one that is impossible to please?:rolleyes:
It is a hack job Aaron, you know it as much as I do. You are cutting your teeth on all our cues...and we are paying you for it?!:eek:

I have another option for you, I'm only a couple hours away, take that shipping money and toss it in the gas tank and head on over. Ill show you in person how shoddy this work is.

Robert (Bob) Burns
612 South B Street
Elwood IN 46036
http://www.mapquest.com/
There is the link to Mapquest so you don't get lost.

Ball is in your court.
 
Sore_Aintya said:
Well after showing the cue around tonight, it seems its not my imagination and there really are flaws in the finish! 2 guys (1 the room owner) stated that it was possibly the worst leather wrap they have ever seen.
I'm not trying to take pot shots at Aaron, just stating the truth.
Upon screwing the shaft onto the butt the leather twisted in my hands and the seam is totally noticeable. There is 3 jagged lines along the seam as well, maybe a dull knife?:confused:
All in all, yes I could live with the dirt in the forearm, you do have to look for it, but it was the first thing I noticed. However, the scratches along the white butt cap and across the Ivory inlays are unacceptable. But again, I could live with it if needed.
The part I cant live with is, it seems my cue gained some weight while it was with Aaron. 1 and 3/8oz. to be exact. This is a HUGE problem for me, as the cue was 18oz to the nuts when I sent it. :(

So who we sending the cue to? Proficient or Espiritu? Another Option is Mike Stacey, he is about 25 mins from me and does great work.
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The extra weight is probably the weight of the finish material. Russ's older Q's had a varnish type finish which was thin and prone to chipping/peeling. Did you replace leather with leather on the wrap?

You and Aaron might consider handling this in private until its resolved...
 
Congrats on the posts!!!!!

You are the only one I know that has had any issues with my work. I have had a few cues I have went over again but no real complaints. I know better on the job quality. The extra weight is do to the finish difference. I have already drove enough for you. Where else do you want to send the cue?
 
ChrisOnline said:
I WOULD NOT LIE FOR ANYBODY.....

chris
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I would not lie for anyone either.. If the work was sh*t I would say.. If it was good I would say, That being said I dont want involved..

Mike
 
I gave you my options, you figure it out.
Ive had enough of this drama to last me a lifetime so I'm going to bed.
Let me know what you decide...
 
Tough!!!

Sore_Aintya said:
I gave you my options, you figure it out.
Ive had enough of this drama to last me a lifetime so I'm going to bed.
Let me know what you decide...
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This Drama is on your shoulders. I would have done anything I could of for you. You did not even call me until 5 days before you recieved the cue. 45 days , 48 PM's is great communication. You opened this can of worms, not me. You decide where the cue goes. I do not believe that Scott will get involved at this point. I know I would'nt. So Mike Stacey will be fine. Let me know
 
We have offered a simple but thorough review of the refinish and wrap work, nothing more and nothing less.....
 
Well, I don't see the good of having the job inspected or dragging this on any further for either party.

Bob is not happy. Since it's his cue, his opinion is the only one that really matters. I hope that Bob Burns get his cue fixed to his satisfaction by the craftsman of his choice and gets on with his pool playing life. I applaud him for revealing his cool-sounding name but would caution him against publishing his home address on the internet and suggest that he delete it.

Aaron, I wish you good luck. I did not take a side in this but just suggested that you could represent yourself better in your communications. You had some people say that you've done a good job for them, so that's a positive.

I'm moving on.

Chris
 
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