Painpools Workmanship

[PAINPOOL]

Yes

PPG clear will not increase the weight of a cue by 1 3/8 ounce!

Yes it will, Linen to Lizard alone is at least a 1/2 ounce. I mix in my gun 5 ounces of clear. I sprayed the cue along with 3 others. Now when you figure that 30% of the spray goes in the air. You figure 1 1/2 ounces is lost there, divide the rest and there is an easy ounce added to the cue with proper coats of finish. Doing it right requires wet sanding in between each coat and at the end of 5 coats you should have an ounce of clear left. I don't mean to be rude but It is not hard to put a ounce of clear on a cue. Usually it's off set a little bit, but in this case the epoxy on the cue was so thin that there was no real weight there from the beginning. SORE, I can believe that seem may have lifted a little bit because usually I let the wrap sit over night with tape pressed over the seem with contact cement and then I rubb the excess of and polish the wrap. If the finish is good send it back and I will redo your wrap and have it back to you on tuesday. I will refund to you a fair amount that we both agree to and next day air the cue back to you. This statement may be bold but this calls for bold measures LOLOLOL! Let me know Thanx Aaron 815-243-1101

 

[Merlinium]

I will not, as I have nothing to hide. If someone is low enough to inconvenience myself, wife and children over all of this then so be it. Mail can be thrown away, small town so there are no taxi's, and who would turn down a pizza at the door?!

Offer still stands if anyone wishes to look at this work.

I appreciate what you are sayin gbut maybe it would be advisable to post your local poolhall's address rather than your own was all I was thinking.

 

[Sore_Aintya]

SORE, I can believe that seem may have lifted a little bit because usually I let the wrap sit over night with tape pressed over the seem with contact cement and then I rubb the excess of and polish the wrap.

So why didn't you do that to this cue? Was it because you rushed it out the door upon seeing my post here on AZ?

As for sending you the cue back...not going to happen.

 

[alstl]

My favorite part of this thread is that the cue gained weight. Painpool, What did you feed that thing while you had it?

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

Yes it will, Linen to Lizard alone is at least a 1/2 ounce. I mix in my gun 5 ounces of clear. I sprayed the cue along with 3 others. Now when you figure that 30% of the spray goes in the air. You figure 1 1/2 ounces is lost there, divide the rest and there is an easy ounce added to the cue with proper coats of finish. Doing it right requires wet sanding in between each coat and at the end of 5 coats you should have an ounce of clear left. I don't mean to be rude but It is not hard to put a ounce of clear on a cue. Usually it's off set a little bit, but in this case the epoxy on the cue was so thin that there was no real weight there from the beginning.

I don't see it as you being rude...I see it as you trying to blow smoke
up someones tail and it ain't gonna be mine. If you sprayed enough
clear on that cue to add that much weight, dust in the clear coat is
a minor problem compared to what's coming down the road. And
don't even go there trying to tell me the "proper" method of finishing
a cue. To date I've clear coated a couple thousand of em PROPERLY
(using PPG by the way).

The only reason I made my post was to head off another internet myth,
that refinishing a cue can add that much weight to a cue. It just is not
true.

Best thing you can do is to suck it up and make it right with Sore. Then, learn
what you're doing before you dig another hole for yourself with someone
elses cue.

You messed up dude, plain & simple.

 

[alpine9430]

My favorite part of this thread is that the cue gained weight. Painpool, What did you feed that thing while you had it?

According to Jon Jansen of the Redskins, there is widespread use of human growth hormone in the refinishing of cues.

 

[Sore_Aintya]

I know nothing of the cue finishing process, but when I did talk to Aaron on the phone, he stated that he had already applied 6 coats of clear and wanted to add a 7th before he shipped the cue out on Thursday. Thursday came and went and the excuse was he found a problem and wanted to fix it, if that meant another coat of clear then the count is at 8 layers.
Fact still remains the cue gained over a ounce of weight making it too heavy for my preference, and as thin looking as the leather wrap is (remember it is "dog eared" on the bottom seam so I can see it quite fine), I cant see it weighing more then the dirty Irish Linen that was on the cue before.

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

I know nothing of the cue finishing process, but when I did talk to Aaron on the phone, he stated that he had already applied 6 coats of clear and wanted to add a 7th before he shipped the cue out on Thursday. Thursday came and went and the excuse was he found a problem and wanted to fix it, if that meant another coat of clear then the count is at 8 layers.
Fact still remains the cue gained over a ounce of weight making it too heavy for my preference, and as thin looking as the leather wrap is (remember it is "dog eared" on the bottom seam so I can see it quite fine), I cant see it weighing more then the dirty Irish Linen that was on the cue before.

It's not unusual to find a pin hole after spraying several coats. Happens all the time. It's good that he did fix it before shipping.

A lizard wrap weighs approx .6 to .7 ounce before trimming. Deduct the weight of the linen from that and there should have been an approx weight gain of .2 to .3 ounce. All this is not exact science however. Some wrap skins are a litle thicker than others and some are thinner.

 

[HouseMan]

I know nothing of the cue finishing process, but when I did talk to Aaron on the phone, he stated that he had already applied 6 coats of clear and wanted to add a 7th before he shipped the cue out on Thursday. Thursday came and went and the excuse was he found a problem and wanted to fix it, if that meant another coat of clear then the count is at 8 layers.
Fact still remains the cue gained over a ounce of weight making it too heavy for my preference, and as thin looking as the leather wrap is (remember it is "dog eared" on the bottom seam so I can see it quite fine), I cant see it weighing more then the dirty Irish Linen that was on the cue before.

I'd like to see what you are talking about, got any pics?

 

[Sore_Aintya]

I'd like to see what you are talking about, got any pics?

Sadly no I don't, yet at least. Called my sister today about picking my camera up from her and she was heading to Kentucky (already on the road ), so I am camera-less for another few days it seems. I will see what my cell phones camera will do but I don't expect much as its a pretty craptastic piece of equipment as far as pictures are concerned.

 

[ScottR]

I don't see it as you being rude...I see it as you trying to blow smoke
up someones tail and it ain't gonna be mine. If you sprayed enough
clear on that cue to add that much weight, dust in the clear coat is
a minor problem compared to what's coming down the road. And
don't even go there trying to tell me the "proper" method of finishing
a cue. To date I've clear coated a couple thousand of em PROPERLY
(using PPG by the way).

The only reason I made my post was to head off another internet myth,
that refinishing a cue can add that much weight to a cue. It just is not
true.

Best thing you can do is to suck it up and make it right with Sore. Then, learn
what you're doing before you dig another hole for yourself with someone
elses cue.

You messed up dude, plain & simple.

Now the mystery is "how did the cue gain 1.375 ounces"??? Wrong weight bolt reinstalled? Molybdenum ferrule?

 

[magnetardo]

Do you have a flatbed scanner? They take pretty good pics.

Sadly no I don't, yet at least. Called my sister today about picking my camera up from her and she was heading to Kentucky (already on the road ), so I am camera-less for another few days it seems. I will see what my cell phones camera will do but I don't expect much as its a pretty craptastic piece of equipment as far as pictures are concerned.

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

Now the mystery is "how did the cue gain 1.375 ounces"??? Wrong weight bolt reinstalled? Molybdenum ferrule?

Okay, ya got me on that one. What the heck is a Molybdenum ferrule?

 

[rackem]

Okay, ya got me on that one. What the heck is a Molybdenum ferrule?

Heavy Metal Ah, Forward balanced

 

[cubswin]

Okay, ya got me on that one. What the heck is a Molybdenum ferrule?

its used in alloys...metal of some sort

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molybdenum

 

[PAINPOOL]

Wow!!!!

I know nothing of the cue finishing process, but when I did talk to Aaron on the phone, he stated that he had already applied 6 coats of clear and wanted to add a 7th before he shipped the cue out on Thursday. Thursday came and went and the excuse was he found a problem and wanted to fix it, if that meant another coat of clear then the count is at 8 layers.
Fact still remains the cue gained over a ounce of weight making it too heavy for my preference, and as thin looking as the leather wrap is (remember it is "dog eared" on the bottom seam so I can see it quite fine), I cant see it weighing more then the dirty Irish Linen that was on the cue before.

The cue needed extra coats because of the cocobolo points. You know Sore, The way the cue looked when I got it , the finish sinking in between the points from ebony to cocobolo. As far as the 8 coats go, 4 of them at least are wet sanded back out. Thanx Aaron 815-243-1101

 

[nick serdula]

Sad

What was your motive in posting all this Sore! A Esparitu and I am spelling it from memory and this includes yours is no master piece and when the finish came off it probably was hard to look at. Now the good finish goes on and suprise you can see all the little things that were hidden in the origional finish and it is hard to look at. You bought it. What were you expecting to happen. I am sure Aron is no wizzard. But your cue is a Esparitu.
You should be mad at Russ for making a cue that looks like yours does now when it has a good finish on it.
And I will say Aron can finish a cue many times better than Russ ever could. I don't think any of his work will ever come close to the way Painter shoots a cue.
Nick

 

[Sore_Aintya]

Nick its no secret you are a fanboi of Aaron's, but tell me exactly what it matters who the maker of my cue is and whether it is a masterpiece or not?
What if your daily driver was a Saturn that run top notch? Say you dropped it off at Jiffy Lube for a oil change and got it back started noticing problems as soon as you opened the door? Would you shrug it off and say of well, its only a Saturn?
I know for a FACT that my cue wasn't scratched up like it is now before I sent it to Mr. Painter.
I know for a FACT that my cue weighed 180z. even before I sent it to Mr. Painter.
I know for a FACT that my cue had no cracked inlays before I sent it to Mr. Painter.

Furthermore, since Aaron has failed to answer the question I asked in post #103, he is silently admitting that he did a "rush job" on my cue, despite the fact he had it for 45+ days.

 

[Poolhawk]

What was your motive in posting all this Sore! A Esparitu and I am spelling it from memory and this includes yours is no master piece and when the finish came off it probably was hard to look at. Now the good finish goes on and suprise you can see all the little things that were hidden in the origional finish and it is hard to look at. You bought it. What were you expecting to happen. I am sure Aron is no wizzard. But your cue is a Esparitu.
You should be mad at Russ for making a cue that looks like yours does now when it has a good finish on it.
And I will say Aron can finish a cue many times better than Russ ever could. I don't think any of his work will ever come close to the way Painter shoots a cue.
Nick

AMAZING,YOU HAVE JUST LOST ANY CREDIBILITY NICK YOU HAD WITH ANYONE WITH THAT STATEMENT HOW A GUY LIKE ARRON WHO IS NEW TO FIINSH WORK WITH MAYBE A YEAR CAN DO A BETTER JOB THEN RUSS ESPIRITI CAN DO. SORE IS ABSOULUTELY CORRECT IS SAYING YOU ARE A BUDDY OF PAINPOOL AND YOU JUST WENT DOWN IN FLAMES LIKE HIM
LOL

 

[nick serdula]

Really

Well I have a few friends that used to sell Esparitus in Mobile and Pensacola after all he is not far from here. I have seen one just literally explode in in a frieends hands as waited for a shot playing straight pool. Russ never could do a good finish. But his finishes are getting better!
One other thing I heard was that Sore has had it in for Aron ever since his best friend and Aron had a falling out.
So believe what you may. I just said Aron can finish a cue better than Russ. I didn't say wrap or anything else. Just Arons finish. If you want to brag on Russs's finishes well I don't want your credablility.
I really don't know any of these people. I just had a cue that Aron refinished and Panhdlce had the cue also and we were both impressd with the finish.
But niether of us have a worthy opinion I guess. Just because we go through alot of high end cues doesn't mean we know what we are looking at I guess.
Good luck Sore and Aron you both need it.
Nick