Painpools Workmanship

[Sore_Aintya]

One other thing I heard was that Sore has had it in for Aron ever since his best friend and Aron had a falling out.

Nick

You may want to consider your sources better before claiming false statements Nick. I have no idea what you are referring to but I have zero friends that even know Aaron Painter...

You are totally reaching for something now it seems. I didn't "have it out" for Mr. Painter as you implied, I just wanted my cue back from him. A cue he said would take 2 weeks since the signature issue, and ended up being 7.
I would have loved to have gotten my cue and been happy. Sure I still would have been upset that it took so long, but it would have faded. Instead what I got was a less then fantastic restore job and a heavier cue then I started out with.
I gain nothing by lying about this. The thread stating he had my cue for 45+ days and constant excuse after excuse was damaging enough for Aaron without me trying to damage his workmanship as well. I'm here simply stating the truth, don't believe me, come see for yourself.

I will be at Embassy Billiards, 121 W Washington St. Alexandria, IN (765)-724-0119 Sunday afternoon from 1-? for anybody in the area that wishes to come inspect the cue for themselves. There will be a 9-ball tourney starting at 6:00pm w/Calcutta beginning at 5:00(ish).
Come on out and see for yourself and play some tough competition while your here.

 

[runscott]

It's not unusual to find a pin hole after spraying several coats. Happens all the time. It's good that he did fix it before shipping.

A lizard wrap weighs approx .6 to .7 ounce before trimming. Deduct the weight of the linen from that and there should have been an approx weight gain of .2 to .3 ounce. All this is not exact science however. Some wrap skins are a litle thicker than others and some are thinner.

I guess I've been lucky - I have only had three cues refinished, and they all came out flawless.

I sent a Paul Mottey cue to Paul Mottey - fabulous work, a Burton Spain to Joel Hercek (Spain's apprentice) - again, perfect work, and a Jerry Rauenzahn to Jerry Rauenzahn, again - perfect work....notice anything similar in the descriptions of my refinishes? None of the decisions as to who to send these cues to was difficult. Oddly, it never crossed my mind to send any of them to Aaron Painter, even before I knew him.

 

[Sore_Aintya]

....notice anything similar in the descriptions of my refinishes? None of the decisions as to who to send these cues to was difficult.

I get it, I get it. no need to keep pouring salt on the wound.

 

[runscott]

I get it, I get it. no need to keep pouring salt on the wound.

Sorry, I just had 're-finishing' on the brain this morning and started going over in my head the ones that I had done. The other common thing about all three was that each went out of their way to fix things that they didn't have to; for instance, my Mottey had been refinished previously by someone other than Mottey, and had specks of white polish in the grain under the refinish - Paul refinished it twice, removing all the specks until it looked perfect - I was absolutely amazed by his work.

 

[alstl]

You may want to consider your sources better before claiming false statements Nick. I have no idea what you are referring to but I have zero friends that even know Aaron Painter...

You are totally reaching for something now it seems. I didn't "have it out" for Mr. Painter as you implied, I just wanted my cue back from him. A cue he said would take 2 weeks since the signature issue, and ended up being 7.
I would have loved to have gotten my cue and been happy. Sure I still would have been upset that it took so long, but it would have faded. Instead what I got was a less then fantastic restore job and a heavier cue then I started out with.
I gain nothing by lying about this. The thread stating he had my cue for 45+ days and constant excuse after excuse was damaging enough for Aaron without me trying to damage his workmanship as well. I'm here simply stating the truth, don't believe me, come see for yourself.

I will be at Embassy Billiards, 121 W Washington St. Alexandria, IN (765)-724-0119 Sunday afternoon from 1-? for anybody in the area that wishes to come inspect the cue for themselves. There will be a 9-ball tourney starting at 6:00pm w/Calcutta beginning at 5:00(ish).
Come on out and see for yourself and play some tough competition while your here.

It shouldn't be hard to find somebody at the tournament who owns a camera. I'd like to see what the cue looks like.

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

I guess I've been lucky - I have only had three cues refinished, and they all came out flawless.

I sent a Paul Mottey cue to Paul Mottey - fabulous work, a Burton Spain to Joel Hercek (Spain's apprentice) - again, perfect work, and a Jerry Rauenzahn to Jerry Rauenzahn, again - perfect work....notice anything similar in the descriptions of my refinishes? None of the decisions as to who to send these cues to was difficult. Oddly, it never crossed my mind to send any of them to Aaron Painter, even before I knew him.

I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I wasn't suggesting that it's acceptable to have a pin hole in the finish, only that it does happen, and most often prior to the final coat being applied. Obviously it should be corrected before the cue is returned to the customer.

Yes, I noticed the similarities in your descriptions right away, and I believe the decisions were correct. It's always best to send a cue back to the original maker. He knows what finish was used originally and can avoid possible conflict between the old & new finish materials. Of course that also eliminates the problems associated with re-signing a cue. FYI, most often, signatures are applied after a coat or two of clear is applied. Ink tends to smear on bare wood.

 

[runscott]

I hope you didn't misunderstand me. I wasn't suggesting that it's acceptable to have a pin hole in the finish, only that it does happen, and most often prior to the final coat being applied. Obviously it should be corrected before the cue is returned to the customer.

Sorry, I misunderstood you. Jerry Rauenzahn did a conversion for me once from a circa 1910 Snooker cue, and the wood was extremely pitted. He had to do a lot of work to get it even, but boy was it a beauty when finished - it's the only cue besides the Mottey that I really regret selling.

 

[Hidy Ho]

Sorry, I misunderstood you. Jerry Rauenzahn did a conversion for me once from a circa 1910 Snooker cue, and the wood was extremely pitted. He had to do a lot of work to get it even, but boy was it a beauty when finished - it's the only cue besides the Mottey that I really regret selling.

I'll sell it back to you to my cost if you really want it

Regarding this thread .. I guess the latest status is now Russ makes crappy cue?

I've owned Espiritu, have friends who owned Espiritu, and have a friend wo used to deal Espiritu. All of us have only positive things to say about the workmanship and playabilit of the cue. I always thought the cue is very undervalued.

 

[skins]

You may want to consider your sources better before claiming false statements Nick. I have no idea what you are referring to but I have zero friends that even know Aaron Painter...

You are totally reaching for something now it seems. I didn't "have it out" for Mr. Painter as you implied, I just wanted my cue back from him. A cue he said would take 2 weeks since the signature issue, and ended up being 7.
I would have loved to have gotten my cue and been happy. Sure I still would have been upset that it took so long, but it would have faded. Instead what I got was a less then fantastic restore job and a heavier cue then I started out with.
I gain nothing by lying about this. The thread stating he had my cue for 45+ days and constant excuse after excuse was damaging enough for Aaron without me trying to damage his workmanship as well. I'm here simply stating the truth, don't believe me, come see for yourself.

I will be at Embassy Billiards, 121 W Washington St. Alexandria, IN (765)-724-0119 Sunday afternoon from 1-? for anybody in the area that wishes to come inspect the cue for themselves. There will be a 9-ball tourney starting at 6:00pm w/Calcutta beginning at 5:00(ish).
Come on out and see for yourself and play some tough competition while your here.

so i guess the answer to my pm's is a no then? i tried.

 

[keepitreal]

It shouldn't be hard to find somebody at the tournament who owns a camera. I'd like to see what the cue looks like.

Bingo. Or he could just ask some other pool-hall buddy’s to evaluate it and post their ‘expert’ finding.

 

[Sore_Aintya]

so i guess the answer to my pm's is a no then? i tried.

I'm sorry, I have gotten so many PMs in the last 3 days for offers to look at the cue I don't know what to do.

I really don't want to inconvenience myself anymore that I already have, which is why I invited anyone who has interest to come and look at it.

I will however PM you now my phone number, maybe we can figure something out.

 

[ribdoner]

You may want to consider your sources better before claiming false statements Nick. I have no idea what you are referring to but I have zero friends that even know Aaron Painter...

You are totally reaching for something now it seems. I didn't "have it out" for Mr. Painter as you implied, I just wanted my cue back from him. A cue he said would take 2 weeks since the signature issue, and ended up being 7.
I would have loved to have gotten my cue and been happy. Sure I still would have been upset that it took so long, but it would have faded. Instead what I got was a less then fantastic restore job and a heavier cue then I started out with.
I gain nothing by lying about this. The thread stating he had my cue for 45+ days and constant excuse after excuse was damaging enough for Aaron without me trying to damage his workmanship as well. I'm here simply stating the truth, don't believe me, come see for yourself.

I will be at Embassy Billiards, 121 W Washington St. Alexandria, IN (765)-724-0119 Sunday afternoon from 1-? for anybody in the area that wishes to come inspect the cue for themselves. There will be a 9-ball tourney starting at 6:00pm w/Calcutta beginning at 5:00(ish).
Come on out and see for yourself and play some tough competition while your here.

"HEAVIER CUE THAN I STARTED OUT WITH""

Replacing the varnish type finish and linen wrap with 7 to 8 coats of UV and leather WILL INCREASE the weight of your cue.

How much is open for debate.

If I were to make an estimate I would say between 1/2 to 1 oz.

YOUR OPINION of substandard work is arguable (proof?)....making an issue over weight gain during the process is, IMHO , NOT! Good Luck

 

[Sore_Aintya]

Ribdoner, you can take your weight difference dispute up with the 3 or 4 people here that stated, that the most gained should have been .5oz tops, not the 1&3/8oz. gain I ended up with, I however know nothing of the process or the details involved.

I am curious though on what your relationship in this anyways? Your "put up or shut up" mentality cannot provoke me into retracting the statements I have made regarding my cue. If it concerns you so dearly, I have posted my address, the pool room I frequent and my telephone number is listed. If none of three interest you I'm sorry.

EDIT:I was just entertained on what your stake in this is. If it bothers you so much of me condemning Aaron's work come on up, Memphis isn't that far a drive.

 

[runscott]

I'll sell it back to you to my cost if you really want it

Ha!!! I forgot that you were the one I sold it to. Hey, you just sold me a cue - I'll be broke for a while.

 

[PAINPOOL]

No!!!

Nick its no secret you are a fanboi of Aaron's, but tell me exactly what it matters who the maker of my cue is and whether it is a masterpiece or not?
What if your daily driver was a Saturn that run top notch? Say you dropped it off at Jiffy Lube for a oil change and got it back started noticing problems as soon as you opened the door? Would you shrug it off and say of well, its only a Saturn?
I know for a FACT that my cue wasn't scratched up like it is now before I sent it to Mr. Painter.
I know for a FACT that my cue weighed 180z. even before I sent it to Mr. Painter.
I know for a FACT that my cue had no cracked inlays before I sent it to Mr. Painter.

Furthermore, since Aaron has failed to answer the question I asked in post #103, he is silently admitting that he did a "rush job" on my cue, despite the fact he had it for 45+ days.[/QUOTE

I understand you wanting your cue nice, regardless of who built it. There are no cracked inlays in your cue, I 100% guarantee that. I admitted to wrapping your cue on monday morning and sending it the same day. That is not a rush job, But I had no pressure from you . Anyway, usually it is fine to wrap a cue and start playing pool with it. I just usually, to insure the seem from lifting in areas,let it set over night pressed and sealed. But you might of had a heart attack if it was yet, another day. Nick is right, you have had a hard on for me since word go. If I were to go back to previous post on me, from you, it would be evident that Nicks statements are true. Screw all that. This has already taken to much time for you to say you were unhappy with the job. Let's just summerize and be done!

I will offer you your money back minus shipping expenses.
I will redo your job and pay shipping.
I will pay a complete refund if a agreed third party says, Job no good!
If they say job overall nice and good, you get nothing!

Then I will continue do nice work on the 10 cues in the shop and they will post honest statements as they other last 20 customers have. It's your call Sore, I did say that Mike Stacey was ok to use and I have not heard anything. Thanx Aaron 815-243-1101

 

[ribdoner]

Ribdoner, you can take your weight difference dispute up with the 3 or 4 people here that stated, that the most gained should have been .5oz tops, not the 1&3/8oz. gain I ended up with, I however know nothing of the process or the details involved.

I am curious though on what your relationship in this anyways? Your "put up or shut up" mentality cannot provoke me into retracting the statements I have made regarding my cue. If it concerns you so dearly, I have posted my address, the pool room I frequent and my telephone number is listed. If none of three interest you I'm sorry.

EDIT:I was just entertained on what your stake in this is. If it bothers you so much of me condemning Aaron's work come on up, Memphis isn't that far a drive.

I don't have an agenda.

You have made damaging statements about someone who ,IMO , does good work. The statements you made, and the way he replied to you, will prevent him from maximizing his income potential from customers on these forums. No one is looking for a retraction.....just an unbiased 3rd party evaluation. Until then no one has enough credibility to convince people who viewed this thread which position is correct applicable to the quality of the work.

Last time I was in IN. I got lost at the intersection of corn and corn. Took about a week to find civilization

 

[runscott]

Aaron, apparently either the noose wasn't tight enough or your fall was too short - when are you going to stop twitching so we can bury you and move on?

 

[Sore_Aintya]

I admitted to wrapping your cue on monday morning and sending it the same day. That is not a rush job, But I had no pressure from you

Back up a second. You told me my cue went out Monday morning, before 1:00. I had not so much as made a squeak about anything whatsoever until after you said my cue was on its way. So exactly how did I give you "pressure"?

Want to check the time frame?
Here's the PM in which you state the cue was sent out that morning.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7167/aaronnd5.jpg
Here's the one where I put your so called "pressure".
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6852/aaron2nb8.jpg

Wow! Seems to me there is is about 4 and a half hours difference before the pressure was added don't you think?
Back peddle out of this one too Aaron, I'm all ears. The truth is, you told me you sent the cue when in reality you didn't, well not until I went public about your customer service.
You honestly shouldn't try to lie when you leave a paper trail.

 

[Sore_Aintya]

While I'm in the mood for posting screen shots.

Aaron's 10 day turnaround.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2171/10daysjz4.jpg
Aaron stating it will be a extra 5 days due to signature issue and says he will "razor" my inlays.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8118/5daysextrafr0.jpg
Aaron stating he "put a call in", and my cue would ship out the next day.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2452/callinhp8.jpg
Aaron, 7 days later saying he still has the cue instead of Espiritu.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/1599/7dayslateryv1.jpg
Aaron telling me "its not big deal" and that he can sign it (just caught that one!), or "just say its signed" underneath the handle.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/9254/lieiq7.jpg
Aaron saying he can have his wife sign the cue.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/8256/arronswifebw3.jpg
Aaron on the 17th telling me to call Espiritu myself.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/5852/numberzl5.jpg
Aaron answering my PM the next day, where I stated I talked to Russ. Was rather easy to get ahold of in my opinion, not sure what the hassle was.
http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6001/reachedbm8.jpg
Guycrunch telling me Aaron has received me cue. Sweet! Maybe Aaron is busy working on it!
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/4517/guyiz2.jpg
Aaron saying it will be 4 more days! Oh boy! I'm getting excited now!
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7838/4moredayszl9.jpg
Aaron...5 days later saying "almost!"..
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/88/almostxl0.jpg

And lastly, Aaron stating it spent a total of 4 days on my cue, and for me to "except the time for what it is"..well I could have if the work reflected the statements.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9782/laststrawmo1.jpg

There you go, however I'm sure nick, or rib or another one of Aaron's loyal customers will say I photoshopped all this.

 

[ribdoner]

SORE

NO ONE disputes the fact that PAIN did not do a stellar job in handling this transaction.

HOWEVER, IMO,FOR YOUR CLAIM OF SUBSTANDARD WORKMANSHIP TO BE CREDIBLE YOU MIGHT CONSIDER GETTING CORROBORATION FROM AN UNBIASED 3rd PARTY.

I DON'T CARE WHAT THE ARBITER FINDS. GOOD LUCK