I challenge you to find someone to post a video showing them manipulating the rack making balls on the break with the same or better accuracy as a rack AID provides!!! Back up your claim that cheating the rack guarantees a runout after the break!!!
Pattern Racking 9-Ball With Soft Breaking Video
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I challenge you to find someone to post a video showing them manipulating the rack making balls on the break with the same or better accuracy as a rack AID provides!!! Back up your claim that cheating the rack guarantees a runout after the break!!!
Exactly my point. There is no guarantee when cheating the rack but without a racking aid the break becomes luck, not skill. If you want it to be even up then play alternate break when using a racking aid. Problem solved.
I went out and bought a "Magic Rack"... thought I'd buy the name brand, didn't want to get a knock off. Can't get the one ball to touch... can't nudge it down or the rest up.. If I rack with the MR upside down (it is a diamond shape) everything holds tight, but what about 10 ball... (Still impressed with the consistancy you get side pocket it's definetly going to take practice) Wonder if I send "Magic Rack" a pic they'll replace it, going to give it a try.
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Furthermore, all racks in all matches would be required to be racked in the same exact pattern with the 1 on the spot, the 5,6 in the second row, 2,9,4 third row, 7,8 in the 4th row, and the 3 on the bottom point.
That's what I've been saying all along, put the LUCK back in the break and you have a battle to win the game AFTER the break because it's no longer an almost guaranteed win AFTER the break because the balls will never be laying in the same pattern after every break.
Age and condition of the balls effect the racking of the balls as well, and you're showing the Belgian standard balls.I went out and bought a "Magic Rack"... thought I'd buy the name brand, didn't want to get a knock off. Can't get the one ball to touch... can't nudge it down or the rest up.. If I rack with the MR upside down (it is a diamond shape) everything holds tight, but what about 10 ball... (Still impressed with the consistancy you get side pocket it's definetly going to take practice) Wonder if I send "Magic Rack" a pic they'll replace it, going to give it a try.
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I went out and bought a "Magic Rack"... thought I'd buy the name brand, didn't want to get a knock off. Can't get the one ball to touch... can't nudge it down or the rest up.. If I rack with the MR upside down (it is a diamond shape) everything holds tight, but what about 10 ball... (Still impressed with the consistancy you get side pocket it's definetly going to take practice) Wonder if I send "Magic Rack" a pic they'll replace it, going to give it a try.
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Sometimes it takes a bit for the rack to break in. It goes the same with the Accu stat rack. Try turning the rack I've noticed they racked perfect one way and not the other. Also if you have a cheap set of balls they are not perfectly round or all the same exact size.
I agree with your opinion, less power and skill is needed to break the balls well with a racking template than if the balls are racked with a triangle.
Having to break the balls harder to get a good spread using a triangle can result in you losing the CB.
Now I have to say (IMO) that not all racking templates are equal in this, Renfos racking template does require you to have more skill than the plastic templates you find on the market today.
Having to break the balls harder to get a good spread using a triangle can result in you losing the CB.
Now I have to say (IMO) that not all racking templates are equal in this, Renfos racking template does require you to have more skill than the plastic templates you find on the market today.
I hear ya Tony, but without the use of any kind of racking aid other than a triangle, is where pool needs to get back to if we're ever going to watch players win the rack after the break instead of on the break.
I've only played in one tournament and they required the 2 ball to lay opposite of the 1. So the 1, 2, & 9 balls had allocated places the rest could be random.
You are correct they are the Aramith standard, not sure of the age. I bought them off craigslist.
I've been to pool tournaments, so I know that is a bad assumption. I remember one match I was watching at the US Open this year. One of the players was pattern racking which was explicitly forbidden by the rules and the other player was doing the intentional-gap-to-make-a-ball-dead thing, which is also against the rules. So, you should not assume that only one of the players is a cheat.
I think the gap player didn't think the pattern player had a chance to run out anyway and the pattern player didn't realize what the gap player was doing.
It does hold the 1 tight when I invert the rack. It even holds the 2 ball in tight... wouldn't think it would but it does (can't figure that one out) I may play around with autocad making my own, seems like they have the diamond cut out's facing the wrong way to me... they should taper toward tightening the rack instead of front to back, at least IMO. I'll keep playing around with the pattern racking, I'd at least like to be consistant making a wing ball and having shape on the 1. To me that's a skill, that I am not consitant on. The break is the only shot that someone is guaranteed to have to make each game and up to now the shot that I didn't practice. Thanks bud!
How about this... put 15 numbered equidistant spots on the head string. Then you draw a pill from a pill bottle. You must break from that numbered spot, and the pill is left out of the bottle till all number have been pulled.
Sure, people would just learn to break from each spot, but it remove some of the "rhythm" of breaking because a different speed and stroke would be needed from each position.
Training or "tapping" the table
There was a question above about tapping the balls. The way that is done in Europe seems to be very, very different from what most in the US think of when they talk about tapping the balls. In Europe, it goes something like this, from what I've heard for nine ball:
You get a template with holes in it for the places for each ball, like the usual racking templates. The holes are slightly closer than one ball diameter apart. The template is put in the required position (and taped down?). One hole at a time the cloth is dampened through the hole, a ball is placed on the hole and it is tapped firmly in place. The ball is then removed and the next hole is tapped.
The result of this "training" is nine (or 8) small craters for the balls to settle into all by themselves without any rack or template on the table when racking. Because the spacing is slightly smaller than a ball diameter the balls are tight.
Here is an example of how that works at straight pool where a template on the table wouldn't work so well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmZh_0HrdWI
There was a question above about tapping the balls. The way that is done in Europe seems to be very, very different from what most in the US think of when they talk about tapping the balls. In Europe, it goes something like this, from what I've heard for nine ball:
You get a template with holes in it for the places for each ball, like the usual racking templates. The holes are slightly closer than one ball diameter apart. The template is put in the required position (and taped down?). One hole at a time the cloth is dampened through the hole, a ball is placed on the hole and it is tapped firmly in place. The ball is then removed and the next hole is tapped.
The result of this "training" is nine (or 8) small craters for the balls to settle into all by themselves without any rack or template on the table when racking. Because the spacing is slightly smaller than a ball diameter the balls are tight.
Here is an example of how that works at straight pool where a template on the table wouldn't work so well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmZh_0HrdWI
I have one of these. The Rack-em-Rite. It was developed by a very good player by the name of David Smith. He was selling a few of these on AZ some years back.
It works well.
It works well.
If memory serves me correctly I admitted to a 1 pack against the ghost on my big table..:thumbup:
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You really don't have any idea what pattern racking is....do you...LMAO
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I understand you now, "pattern racking" is 2 words put together that you in your mind....THINK you know the meaning of...LMAO