pay per view prices

JCIN said:
Accu Stats is charging $10 a day. IMO thats pretty fair but I understand the sticker shock when looking at the total price for all the days together. It is what it is though. For some people its too much for some its what they spend on a lunch. Like everything else the market will decide. If enough people do not buy because the perceived value is not there they will either lower their price or stop doing it.

With everyone and their brother trying to do PPV now customers will have to start making choices where they spend their time and money.
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Justin... I would pay $100 for TAR to do a 24/7 Action Room at the DCC again!

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If you don't like the price, you can just buy a plane ticket, hotel and everything else to watch it live at the Derby. If you don't see the value, then you don't love pool. It's as simple as that. Go watch some free matches on youtube, or go down to your pool hall and watch the 2 best locals go at it..."umm can I please get an ice water, extra ice please." I'm sure that will be cheap enough for you.
 
we bought BigFoot. that's it. and it was good today & look forward to tomorrow. it's the best of the BEST. if we could be THERE - we would.
 
I think Accu-Stats prices are fair. It's a great production.

I am covering action on the BIgfoot only. Tonight we had Carlo Biado v Evgney Stalev race to 5 for 1000. Evgney won 5-3. Good match. It was free to watch.

We will have mostly free coverage of action but we will also have 3 days of PPV. Scott Rabon is coming in on commentary, We will also have some special guest lined up.

We are about to go live no with some short rack banks!!

Jordan Grubb v Jeremy Slye
 
It is simple math to me. Accu-stats has to take I am guessing around $250,000 in equipment along with a 4-5 man crew I am guessing all the way to Indiana to the DCC. How much do you think the cost are for that? I think there is great value for $10 a day as you get each match totally live at $2.50 a piece and they last about 2 hours so it is a 1/4 the price of a movie ticket which gives 2 hours of entertainment. Buy the days you like for the games you like is my suggestion.
 
You must have bumped your head.
This is the best deal you can get on streamed pool, unless it's free, PERIOD.
All year you can't find a better PPV event for the price.

For $10 today, you saw SVB, ORCOLLO, EARL, OSCAR, MORRA, LEE VAN, SHAW, SAEZ.......No one can or ever comes close to offering that kind of coverage.

And tommorow/today, Saturday, lol. For $10 more how can you beat this line up. It's better then today's was.

RALF SOUQUET vs. CARLO BIADO
EFREN REYES (worth the $10 himself) vs. RODNEY MORRIS
COREY DEUEL vs. NIELS FEIJEN
FRANCISCO BUSTAMANTE vs. DARREN APPLETON
 
Bigtruck said:
I think Accu-Stats prices are fair. It's a great production.

I am covering action on the BIgfoot only. Tonight we had Carlo Biado v Evgney Stalev race to 5 for 1000. Evgney won 5-3. Good match. It was free to watch.

We will have mostly free coverage of action but we will also have 3 days of PPV. Scott Rabon is coming in on commentary, We will also have some special guest lined up.

We are about to go live no with some short rack banks!!

Jordan Grubb v Jeremy Slye
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Nice to hear stalev made it out again. That's a stone cold killer, there.

Race to 5 for 1k...a coin flip and I am not sure stalev even knows how much money 1k is!
 
I'm glad to see all the different scenarios and explanations. I by know means was trying to say that these streaming companies are not worth it, cause we all know they do a hell of a job. I am just looking at it from my point of view and my pockets at this time. Comparing this to seeing a movie really is like comparing apples to oranges though.

There are so many companies now getting into billiards between apparel, cues, chalk, cloth, etc., I would love to see sponsors pick up a bigger part of the cost, maybe they do? Just thought I would get an idea what everyone else was thinking.

$10 is certainly worth 4 great matches I agree, just was looking at sticker shock aspect of the whole package. Thanks again and I'm truely sorry if I offended anyone involved. I am on this site everyday religiously reading posts and keeping up to date on the pool world. I just decided to post . :)
 
UPlayLucky said:
Yes, it's all about what people are will to pay or what they view as a good deal.

Let's say at the current prices, we have this distribution of the viewers:

Scenario 1:
10% full package
20% 3 days
60% 2 days
10% 1 day

average price collected from each viewer is roughly $26

Let's say accu-stats does a one-time full package price at $30

now the distribution is at:

Scenario 2:
80% full package
10% 2 days
10% 1 day

average price collected from each viewer is roughly $27

Scenario 1:
Most people will not buy the full package at the current package price since they will most likely be working during the day or night session.

Scenario 2:
A large percentage are already paying $20, thus they would the be willing to pay an additional $10 for a full package.

It like going to the grocery store where they offer one item at full price, $3, or six items at $1 for a total of $6.

I'm assuming most people would go for the 6 items, just my guess.
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What you leave out is that you pay for bandwidth based on how much you use. So if you only charge $30 for the full package your bandwidth bill will soar with no income to offset it. Which means while you do get people buying more days you make even less than if they would of just bought the two day or one day package.
 
prewarhero said:
For every price there is an amount of people that will be buyers (the market). When you lower the price the market size (number of buyers) increases. When prices are higher the market shrinks. Laterally, when you lower prices profits per unit shrink and profits per unit will rise when you raise prices.

After stating the obvious, it amazes me that business owners do not take more time to determine what their ideal price/market size relationship that is best for their business. They simply pick a price and let the number of buyers fall where they may like preverbal chips.

Pool streaming ONTH has a unique challenge in that the market is just too small to begin with and the margins are so small that reaching a meaningful volume when each new subscriber is 98% profit or better is so tough that market research is near impossible. TBS, a decision for me to stream a match has never been about the cost.
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You leave out a whole lot of things on the cost side of the equation for PPV streamers. Have you ever done any? Perhaps there is more to it than "just picking a price and sticking to it"

The fact that you think a paid subscriber is 98% profit tells me you really have no idea what you are talking about.
 
JCIN said:
What you leave out is that you pay for bandwidth based on how much you use. So if you only charge $30 for the full package your bandwidth bill will soar with no income to offset it. Which means while you do get people buying more days you make even less than if they would of just bought the two day or one day package.
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Going deep there. The fact that you or any stream provider lease (on a short term basis) a critical part of their infrastructure (based on how much you use) is a very real variable that I had not considered.
 
JCIN said:
What you leave out is that you pay for bandwidth based on how much you use. So if you only charge $30 for the full package your bandwidth bill will soar with no income to offset it. Which means while you do get people buying more days you make even less than if they would of just bought the two day or one day package.
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UPlayLucky had some good stats.

but what we didn't know - is what YOU just taught us about cost of bandwidth. vital. thank you, Justin!

i understand his sticker-shock @ $70. when we are accustomed to $10-$30 "allowance". if the DCC weren't a week long, i'm assuming the price would be less? help me, Justin, Tiger, Lenny, Big Truck?
 
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I just bought the tar stream and the whole package and spent over 100 in the past week so that might seem expensive but its a lot of coverage.

However I am disappointment when accu stats has issues...

come on 71 bucks is really nothing...
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
For me, it's deeper than that - it's about what options people have. If there's a rave at my local disco, I ain't buying no PPV that night. ;)

I'm kinda serious on that. For example - I firmly believe TAR 38 had unfortunate timing. Amongst other things, it overlapped NFL playoffs, Music City Open streaming and prior week had a hugely popular PPV stream (albeit flawed) of Efren vs Earl.

I just hope TAR 39 doesn't overlap Sochi's curling competition. ;) (I don't think the concurrent, 10 day run of bonus ball PPV will put much of a dent in EFREN vs SHANE!)

Did I say Efren vs Shane?!! :)
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More people will be watching that curling tournament then all the pool played in the world lol there was a curling tourny in Vegas last week it was like a mosconi type affair with North America against the world with some of the games being skins type and what not and they drew around 5000 spectators there plus all the tv coverage.


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filluptieu said:
I just bought the tar stream and the whole package and spent over 100 in the past week so that might seem expensive but its a lot of coverage.

However I am disappointment when accu stats has issues...

come on 71 bucks is really nothing...
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71 bucks is a lot to some people who don't make much and have kids and bills.


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Bigtruck said:
I think Accu-Stats prices are fair. It's a great production.

I am covering action on the BIgfoot only. Tonight we had Carlo Biado v Evgney Stalev race to 5 for 1000. Evgney won 5-3. Good match. It was free to watch.

We will have mostly free coverage of action but we will also have 3 days of PPV. Scott Rabon is coming in on commentary, We will also have some special guest lined up.

We are about to go live no with some short rack banks!!

Jordan Grubb v Jeremy Slye
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RAY - your PM box is full.

how do i see what you are covering above? we bought Bigfoot.
(don't trash me - i'm a DCC virgin!)
 
JCIN said:
You leave out a whole lot of things on the cost side of the equation for PPV streamers. Have you ever done any? Perhaps there is more to it than "just picking a price and sticking to it"

The fact that you think a paid subscriber is 98% profit tells me you really have no idea what you are talking about.
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You have fixed costs and variable costs. There is a number of viewers that will cover your fixed costs. Then , each one added from that point SHOULD represent a new calculation of variable costs versus profit. As more viewers sign up, your ratio should be improving on each one. Hopefully reaching the above number. This is true of any successful model of subscription services from magazines to health clubs to red box to netflix.

But Justin, my post was not a dig to you. It was in support of you and pointing out that I appreciate the challenges you face by trying to provide this service to a small market that has little opportunity to grow without a paradigm shift of some sort.
 
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