Pedigree Shaft Wood Selection

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Rick Geschrey
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Hi,

Some interesting discussions on shaft wood has been going on so I thought I would share my take on the subject.

If you are a new to cue making and wish to have a long term presence building quality in your shafts over time here is my experience on the topic. If you talk to 10 cue makers you might get many areas of agreement but also many areas of disagreement.

Here is my take on it:

If you are buying your shaft wood in dowels from someone, be prepared to throw out a lot of wood in your future. The only way you can get the highest quality shaft wood is to collate, classify and cull only the finest pieces from a high quality source.

I have a source that receives it's maple from UP Mich. and has a huge Kiln for drying the lumber after the trees have been fallen and stored. After kiln drying they rehydrate the lumber for stress relief. I am also lucky because my supplier stores all of it's clear maple indoors in a 60 degree heated building in the winter.

I feel the straightest maple for shaft wood and CM economics comes from 5/4 planks that are generally used for stair stock not 4/4. When I go thru 100s of planks the cupping and the crowning incidence in 4/4 is way higher. I don't mind paying a little more because I feel that I am wasting too much of my time with the 4/4 boards.

The most important features IMO are straight grain from one end of the board to the other when viewing the face of the board in plan view on a plank that has no crown, twist or cup.

The next most important feature is density for me and the type of hit I want on my cue. I have a chart that I can calculate the density per board inch so when I find that plank with all of the right stuff I can measure the square inches in the 5/4 thickness plank and calculate if I will have 1" dowels that are over 10.2 oz. as a minimum average. If not I reject the board that is perfect if not for weight.

Finally growth rings, color and mineral content must be evaluated. This is up to the individual's own values.

I have been doing this for quite some time now and have been getting more selective each time I buy lumber. I am now at the point where I stop by my source about once a month and my expectation is only one plank. Here are some pics of a plank that I just got 3 weeks ago and I browsed through about 50 before I just bought this one which will yield only six shafts. Last month I was lucky and got 2 planks that gave me 20 shafts dowels. I viewed over 200 planks for that find.

In closing I believe that after finding a reliable source that processes, treats and stores the raw material correctly the number of boards that is premium pedigree shaft wood is about 1% or less and still there is some wood areas in those planks that culled.

The shaft wood hunting is like mining for gold. You find it if you are persistent. In the end it shows up and people will understand quality in the long run. You must take the time to be anal in selection or you will be compromising.

If you disagree with my methods I can empathize. This is just my way of skinning the cat using my process system of reading the product.

IMO, There is nothing more important to your cue than the shaft and it's taper concerning playability. Everything else is secondary or less.

Good Cue Making,

Rick G.

This was just one plank that I had them put a cross cut on so it would fit in my car. Notice how straight this plank is. No crowning, cupping or twisting. There are 6 shafts here for under $20.00. Why buy dowels that are a pig in a poke when you can have the best stuff cheaper? I will bandsaw this plank after a few weeks in my shop and dowel and fat taper it for vertical storage.

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According to my calculations this piece should yield 1" x 30" dowels that weigh 10.6 oz. I like that number!:

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Straight grained from end to end or no go on any plank, no run out
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4 Shafts at final all over 4.4 oz. from a nice piece that was stored for 5 years
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Just an observation, but if you see 4/4 lumber that is cupped, twisted, warped, etc., then either it wasn't stress relieved or else it was left sit out in the open weather for some time afterwards. Properly dried & stress relieved wood should stay flat & straight indefinitely. If you're seeing drying defects at all in any thickness, especially 4/4 (because it's the easiest to dry) then there's cause for alarm.
 
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The one on the left looks like has a run-out to the left to me.
The one on the right looks like has waves and wide grain at the middle right.
Both do have sections that would make for very good dowels when cut right.


I get mine as 1" sanded dowels from 5/4 planks that are planed to 1" and sanded round. Not thru a doweling machining.
I prefer 1" sanded round dowels from a reliable source.
Sanded dowels work better for me as I can see grain direction easily.
 
Hi,

Some interesting discussions on shaft wood has been going on so I thought I would share my take on the subject.

If you are a new to cue making and wish to have a long term presence building quality in your shafts over time here is my experience on the topic. If you talk to 10 cue makers you might get many areas of agreement but also many areas of disagreement.

Here is my take on it:

If you are buying your shaft wood in dowels from someone, be prepared to throw out a lot of wood in your future. The only way you can get the highest quality shaft wood is to collate, classify and cull only the finest pieces from a high quality source.

I have a source that receives it's maple from UP Mich. and has a huge Kiln for drying the lumber after the trees have been fallen and stored. After kiln drying they rehydrate the lumber for stress relief. I am also lucky because my supplier stores all of it's clear maple indoors in a 60 degree heated building in the winter.

I feel the straightest maple for shaft wood and CM economics comes from 5/4 planks that are generally used for stair stock not 4/4. When I go thru 100s of planks the cupping and the crowning incidence in 4/4 is way higher. I don't mind paying a little more because I feel that I am wasting too much of my time with the 4/4 boards.

The most important features IMO are straight grain from one end of the board to the other when viewing the face of the board in plan view on a plank that has no crown, twist or cup.

The next most important feature is density for me and the type of hit I want on my cue. I have a chart that I can calculate the density per board inch so when I find that plank with all of the right stuff I can measure the square inches in the 5/4 thickness plank and calculate if I will have 1" dowels that are over 10.2 oz. as a minimum average. If not I reject the board that is perfect if not for weight.

Finally growth rings, color and mineral content must be evaluated. This is up to the individual's own values.

I have been doing this for quite some time now and have been getting more selective each time I buy lumber. I am now at the point where I stop by my source about once a month and my expectation is only one plank. Here are some pics of a plank that I just got 3 weeks ago and I browsed through about 50 before I just bought this one which will yield only six shafts. Last month I was lucky and got 2 planks that gave me 20 shafts dowels. I viewed over 200 planks for that find.

In closing I believe that after finding a reliable source that processes, treats and stores the raw material correctly the number of boards that is premium pedigree shaft wood about 1% or less and still there is some wood areas in those planks that culled.

The shaft wood hunting is like mining for gold. You find it if you are persistent. In the end it shows up and people will understand quality in the long run. You must take the time to be anal in selection or you will be compromising.

If you disagree with my methods I can empathize. This is just my way of skinning the cat using my process system of reading the product.

IMO, There is nothing more important to your cue than the shaft and it's taper concerning playability. Everything else is secondary or less.

Good Cue Making,

Rick G.

This was just one plank that I had them put a cross cut on so it would fit in my car. Notice how straight this plank is. No crowning, cupping or twisting. There are 6 shafts here for under $20.00. Why buy dowels that are a pig in a poke when you can have the best stuff cheaper? I will bandsaw this plank after a few weeks in my shop and dowel and fat taper it for vertical storage.

IMG_4250.jpg


According to my calculations this piece should yield 1" x 30" dowels that weigh 10.6 oz. I like that number!:

IMG_4249.jpg


Straight grained from end to end or no go on any plank, no run out
IMG_4251.jpg


4 Shafts at final all over 4.4 oz. from a nice piece that was stored for 5 years
IMG_3275.jpg

that was REALLY educational for me
:thumbup:...........:thumbup:
thanks for your time to post that and the pics
 
Just an observation, but if you see 4/4 lumber that is cupped, twisted, warped, etc., then either it wasn't stress relieved or else it was left sit out in the open weather for some time afterwards. Properly dried & stress relieved wood should stay flat & straight indefinitely. If you're seeing drying defects at all in any thickness, especially 4/4 (because it's the easiest to dry) then there's cause for alarm.

Hi Eric,

When I said cupping, crowning I was not referring to it in the sense that you would see in doug fir for framing as such. You can barley notice it. I take a speed square and a 4 foot alum straight edge for gauges like the ones in the pics.. I want boards that have as close zero tolerance to those type aberrations.

I guess my point was that the straightness quality I see in 5/4 planks is noticeably better when when using the gauges and the 4/4 seems to have more very minor aberrations per unit volume observed. I don't know why, just an observation.

I also like the 5/4 because my doweling machine spits them out perfectly round without any flat spots or teeth marks like i get with 4/4.

Rick
 
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IMG_4251.jpg

The one on the left looks like has a run-out to the left to me.
The one on the right looks like has waves and wide grain at the middle right.
Both do have sections that would make for very good dowels when cut right.


I get mine as 1" sanded dowels from 5/4 planks that are planed to 1" and sanded round. Not thru a doweling machining.
I prefer 1" sanded round dowels from a reliable source.
Sanded dowels work better for me as I can see grain direction easily.

Hey Joey,

You have a very keen eye.

The two outside edges of those 2 boards are scrap. There is only enough width to get 2 5/4 by 5/4 squares down the full length and those two good spots run very straight for the entire length of the planks.

When buying planks you can see the rejection areas and plan your cutting accordingly.

When you buy your dowels I take it they are letting you send rejects back. To be fair, I guess I should have pointed out this could be an option. In that case things are very good for a cue maker that can do that but someone has to pay for back shipping.

Rick
 
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Hey Joey,

You have a very keen eye.

The two outside edges of those 2 boards are scrap. There is only enough width to get 2 5/4 by 5/4 squares down the full length and those two good spots run very straight for the entire length of the planks.

Rick

Those would be very good shafts .

The outside ones might still be usable if cut then divided and one flipped over then glued. If you can get 1 1/2 square by 17-18 long, might still be good enough to turn round and observe . Could be good wood handles if they stay straight and have nice tone as well.
 
i would be interested in buying dowels in 100 to 300 lots
if the wood is straight,heavy and withotut run out

dark wood and even mineral spots are not as important to me
do you have wood like this,if so please pm me with details

dean
 
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