'Pendulum' Stroke 'Sweet Spot' ?
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Hey Tony,
I thought you did not want to waste your time.
In case you did not notice this site & these forums are mostly all words in text. It is how we communicate or should I say try to communicate.
There are links to several videos in this thread alone for reference. It was them that relayed to me that the craddle grip is not a specific prescription for a 'pendulum' stroke as I had thought it was for the SPF stroke. But thinking about that now, what would be the point to set so precisely if the linkage to the cue is going to change by the feathering open of the grip & the wrist action? One would then have to coordinate & time that return to the contact with the ball. So what would be the point to doing that? Just more questions.
As to actually trying that grip action, I have been doing that since I was 13.
Regards & Welcome Back,
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Hey Joe,
How about an agricultural flail used in reverse or that stick thing that throws arrows. What is that called?
It's all about when push comes to shove or is that pull comes to push.:wink:
Best Regards,
Since I am sitting in a hospital room with my wife right now I had more time on my hands now.
I figured this is the kind of answer I would get from you.
Do less thinking and take it to the table to find out for yourself! Then post your results on video.
Considering the mood I am in right now I will ignore the rest of your post.
I figured this is the kind of answer I would get from you.
Do less thinking and take it to the table to find out for yourself! Then post your results on video.
Considering the mood I am in right now I will ignore the rest of your post.
Tony,
I am saying a prayer as I type this for God to help your family with whatever the reason is that the two of you are in a hospital.
All my hopes & prayers for a good outcome,
Rick
Hey Joe,
Always enjoy your posts.
The reason CJ calls his wrist action "the hammer stroke" is because he is trying to get folks to bend their wrist forward on the shot stroke. Another way to think about it is as though you were casting with a fishing rod. There is no limit of stroke using CJ's method, he opens and closes his hand like most of us.
As far as Pendulum and Piston stokes go, during the practice stokes my lower arm is the only thing moving back and forth. On the shot stoke its still the same only my upper arm drops down to the finish after I have hit the QB.
Lee Brett illustrates what I do on his DVD's.
I have noticed watching championship snooker the they more or less punch the QB.
Looking forward to your next installment. :wink:
John
Joe,
Thanks for the chuckle.
Did you see the movie with Anthony Hopkins, Alec Baldwin, & a huge Grizzly Bear?
If so...you are the rabbit or at least like Hopkin's character.
Best Regards,
Hi John,
Are you sure CJ feathers open his grib? I never noticed him doing that & he has told me more than a couple of times that he does not like anything 'loose'. I was just wondering if you were sure.
I thought I had TOI down pat but after 2 weeks off I went back & was inconsistent but missing more on the overcut side. Now it is was raining buckets the size of the Superdome. So maybe high humidity had something to do with it but I just had to 'aim' a bit more inside of the edge & bit to the opposite side of center.
How's it going for you?
Regards,
Meant to get back to this sooner. Thanks for the reply, first of all. The reason my hand is closer to my body is because I have the cue rubbing against the side of my chest. I understand this may seem like it's causing my stroke to be restricted, but I'm still able to generate a power stroke when needed. Just an example (and slight brag
), I came with this shot tonight.
Ever since switching to this stance last week, I've never been so consistent. I'm not implying I'm content with my fundamentals, but I'm getting there.
thanks again rick
There's no doubt that you would be able to shoot certain shots. But I am not wrong in saying that your stroke is restricted. You are crooking your arm under your torso and you're turning your hand under your cue. You don't know how great it feels to be able to let your stroke out --- I mean really let it out. You can't possibly do that with the way you've got your hand and arm positioned. Big shots will always be hard and tense with your arm position. That doesn't mean you won't make some. You may even make more than some. But you can do so much better. I watched your entire video. I know what I saw. You're a good player and you can be even better.
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Meant to get back to this sooner. Thanks for the reply, first of all. The reason my hand is closer to my body is because I have the cue rubbing against the side of my chest. I understand this may seem like it's causing my stroke to be restricted, but I'm still able to generate a power stroke when needed. Just an example (and slight brag
Ever since switching to this stance last week, I've never been so consistent. I'm not implying I'm content with my fundamentals, but I'm getting there.
thanks again rick
Beiber,
You're more than welcome. That looks like a sweet shot. I first saw the lines & was asking myself why didn't he just draw it with low left, then I looked back down the line to find the cue ball stuck on the rail. Nice shot.
We are now a bit off topic in the thread but I don't mind at all.
You certainly know Mr. Lee better than I do & perhaps he knows your stroke, but I find it interesting that he did not see or at least he did not say anything similiar to what Ms. Crimi & even my untrained eye saw.
I would agree with Ms. Crimi. Since shooting with CJ's TOI, I have been letting my stroke out on a much more consistent basis & it certainly does feel good AND it bulids confidence & consistency.
No offense but what you are doing seems to be a bit of a crutch. I'm not criticizing as I certainly don't know what you know about yourself. If it is working & you are happy then that is what matters.
Like Ms. Crimi said & I said in the earlier post that was good shooting. We just think you have untapped potential. But you may know somethng that we don't.
Keep working & have fun. I know that shot was fun.:wink:
Best Regards,
Rick
PS Looking at that shot again, if the angle is correct, I probably would have just gone off the short rail as a more simple shot, especially with the cue ball up against the rail. But I was not there & you were.
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Thanks Fran. I actually got the idea of using the chest as a contact point for the cue from watching a lot of snooker. Yes, two different games, but it's worked great for me personally. I got Eberle's Powerful Pool DVD set, and put a lot of practice in with "throwing the cue" as he suggests. I've experimented and put a lot of time in with lots of different stroke type, and this is honestly the one that has provided the best results.
I'm going to record a higher quality video this weekend and will record some power stroke shots as well.
On another note, you may have noticed sometimes the cue was under both eyes and on some shots it was under my right eye. I'm left eye dominant. I never fully bought into the whole dominant eye issue, and now this makes me even less of a believer.
That's all I have for now. Sorry to hijack your thread Rick.
That's the shot if I was closer and not frozen to the rail. Going to the short rail first would require a little bit of left spin, and I try to avoid using spin when frozen to the rail unless there's no other options
The trick is to just use top, but make sure you play the 7 to the left side of the pocket. If you stroke the ball well, it's pretty much natural to get on the 8.
Yeah, I hear you. I'm not so shy about using a bit of english even when the ball is on the rail. That's why they say different strokes for different folks. Two(2) roads to the same destination. Like I said you were there & I was not.
I don't mind an 'honest' highjacking for a good reason. I am fairly sure that I do it quite a bit. One step begets another & before you know it, you're in a different place. Some good threads have happened by getting highjacked.
Regards,
That's easy Rick! I saw the same things that Fran did. I just don't believe they necessarily have to negatively affect Jon's stroke. INO...I don't try to "fix" what's not broken...unlike some others. I also said I'd reserve judgement until a proper video analysis was done.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Scott, if you had 46 years of playing experience and used english on every shot, you'd see these things more clearly.
You can use your chest as a contact point if you want to without forcing your arm underneath at that angle. Experiment with your feet placement.
Regardless of your statement on under which eyes you place your cue, your setup issue is very common with players with cross dominant eyes. You might want to think about that.
Good luck with your game. Keep at it. I'm sure you'll figure it all out.
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Sir, your ego & poor judgement will simply not allow you to leave well enough alone. Your post #177 was a not so good attempt to CYA. Your response to this will probably start off with, 'Not at all Rick'.
You choose to respond to my politely pointing out, with qualifiers, to Jon, that you seemed to have missed a couple of things in your review of Jon's video. You can't leave it at that but must defend your 'reputation' by giving reasons as to why you said nothing about those seemingly obvious differences from what would & should be normal. I quess you would rather have Jon grooving them until July when you might see him in person & if not he would continue to groove them, instead of simply bringing them to his attention as I & Ms. Crimi did & leave the choice up to him on what if anything he wants to do about them. No, instead you follow up with more coy & sly jabs at Ms. Crimi. The thing is that, what Jon is doing are not flaws that have crept in or started out in his stroke. He is doing them consciously to emulate what some snooker players do, so as to improve his accuracy. We would not have found that out if we would have left them unmentioned.
I quess you consider certain AZB members your 'pesonal property' & how dare I or Ms. Crimi critique Jon's stroke, or anyone's to whom you have given a lesson, even though Jon posted the video in my thread, seemingly to me, for everyone to see.
Apparently you are very possesive of those to whom you have given a lesson & from this analysis, I would think that you should be.
You responded to my little comment pointing out that you may have missed something in your review. Yet... you have no follow up to my reply of your initial post regarding the main topic of this thread.
Why is that?
Did you really think that I would allow you to use me, my post, & my thread to take jabs at an Instructor that I DO respect, namely Ms. Fran Crimi, with your coy & sly comments of negativity toward Ms. Crimi? Again you dsiplayed poor judgement.
I feel & think that you owe Ms. Crimi an apology for these comments & others that you've made in other threads, just as I felt that you owed Snapshot9 an apology when you basically called him a liar without using the word liar upon our first contact. You probably will not see it this way just as you did not regarding Snapshot. However I think very many see through your veiled insults & dis-respect. I wish you could actually see how it makes you look. In fact, I would certainly think that your comments especially when added all together would be a violation of some sort of code of ethics regarding the PBIA. But since you are on the board & such good friends with randyG you probably know that there would be no repercussions such as a suspension of your certification for conduct unbecoming or some such violation. So you probably think that you can get away with 'insults' of a fellew member & you probably can.
So, that not with standing, will you be man enough to make an apology?
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I was going to give you the benefit of doubt regarding an apology to Ms. Crimi but given the ego & poor judgement that you have displayed in the past I just wanted to add that I doubt that you will. You don't seem to understand the difference between 'being the bigger man' & just being 'a little man' & again I am not referring to your physical stature. I guess this really kills us being 'friendly'.
You should apologize! But I seriosly doubt that you will. You will simply deny that anything was directed toward Ms. Crimi, but believe me, MOST of the general readership of AZB is not that naive & do not think that your evasions are good thing & would not pat you on the back for them. In my opinion, your egotistical personality WILL lose you clients in the long haul.
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