Pendulum Vs. Jab

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regarding the draw stroke, i noticed last night that on the long, straight in draw shots that i have a tendency to "JAB" at the cue ball. i suppose my sub-conscious mind is telling me that you have to do that to get enough spin on the ball.

i thought about it for a moment, and then decided it wasnt really a "JAB" but more of what i would term a "Controlled Jab" that one needs on the longer draw shots. that plus a little longer follow through seemed to get the job done. of course, however, i still missed the shot.

anyway, people talk about the Pendulum stroke, and i am just wondering if some of you guru's out there would classify the terms "Controlled Jab" and "Pendulum" in pretty much the same category relative to the long, straight in draw shot?

am i on the right track here? or am i way out in leftfield again like i usually am?

DCP
 
I use both(atleast I think I understand what you're talking about). But it's all dependant on the CB placement, the "jab stroke" is used sparringly but is still effective. I find that when you follow through as far as you can, you get better results.
 
It's pretty common that most people would want to jab fast at the cueball with a slight angulation of the cue in order to make it spin back, I also do that but it takes abit of accuracy, like flipping a dart. Personally I find that with a straight and smooth stroke plus enough follow through is good enough to draw the cueball back table length.
 
Of course

This depends on whether you feel like if your tip is beginning to 'slip' a little, as they sometimes do when they get worn down.
 
Have patience! Scott will help you with a stroke that will work very well for almost every shot...and yes, it's a pendulum stroke.
SPF!!!!
SPF!!!!
SPF!!!!

Steve
 
I find that when you follow through as far as you can, you get better results.

Big elbow drop?
 
Nope, Contact made at as close to a 90 degree elbow bend and you just keep going forward. I find that most people contact the CB with their arms already past that 90 degrees so they can't follow through smoothly.
 
there're very few times when i need to jab the ball (mostly when i'm jacked up over the rail). you don't need to jab the ball at all. as a matter of fact that might be while you're missing that shot. smooth follow through slightly faster should get the job done
 
JoeyInCali said:
I find that when you follow through as far as you can, you get better results.

Big elbow drop?
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A typical backswing is only about 5-6 inches for most shots and just about 9-10 inches for longer power shots. Normally I hit about near one diamond length follow through for power shots with only a slight drop in the elbow. It takes practice to achieve that longer backswing without loss of control.
 
bcf said:
A typical backswing is only about 5-6 inches for most shots and just about 9-10 inches for longer power shots. Normally I hit about near one diamond length follow through for power shots with only a slight drop in the elbow. It takes practice to achieve that longer backswing without loss of control.
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i think he meant for DCP because he'sjabbing at the ball
 
pooltchr said:
Have patience! Scott will help you with a stroke that will work very well for almost every shot...and yes, it's a pendulum stroke.
SPF!!!!
SPF!!!!
SPF!!!!

Steve
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ok, i know i ask dumb questions every now and then, but............what does SPF stand for?

DCP
 
If you feel the need to jab, then pick a spot about 3"s past the cue ball and when you stroke low and level at the cue, jab at that spot. :)
 
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Remember what I said in another thread, do exactly what your instructor tells you to do for 1 month. Train, Practice and Plan only how he teaches you... pay attention. If you continue to do what you have been doing, you will continue to get the same results you have always gotten.

Until the lesson, don't bother working on your game. You are going to redo it in two weeks time anyway. Again, do what you are told for 1 month straight (only the mother drills as an example)... then after giving 30 days of effort, if you see no improvement.. you will have to figure out the next possible problem.
 
Snorks said:
then after giving 30 days of effort, if you see no improvement.. you will have to figure out the next possible problem.
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If he sees no improvement after a month, then he will not have followed your advice. Do the work, and you WILL get the results...

Scott Lee
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I find I use the "jab" stroke fo more of a Stun Stroke.....But I highly reccomend the Pendellum stroke.......Will be more smooth and you will strike the cueball in its desinagted spot more consistantly than you would jsut jabbing it......
 
Considering harder draw shots, it took me years to realize that I was concentrating too much not to drop my elbow on the followthrough. Talking about the pendulum stroke now. What most players don't realize that as they prepare for the power draw, during the last backswing the elbow usually starts moving already and the lack of draw or a miscue is a result of the elbow movement before the final execution of the shot, the followthrough, and not during it. Think about that for a while. If you keep your elbow still during the last backswing, you will most likely hit exactly the spot on the cueball you were aiming at and after that the elbow drop is a natural result of the high cue & hand speed during the execution and the elbow is not strong enough to stop the motion which results in an elbow drop. But the point is that if the mechanics are good enough, the elbow shouldn't drop at all before the tip contacts the cueball at the lowest point of the "arm swing" which we call the pendulum stroke. It doesn't matter if/when your backhand rises slightly from the horizontal level of the stroke, it's just a part of the pendulum backswing. It would be more difficult to keep the cue level during the backswing as snooker players usually do but they open their grip 2-3 fingers starting from the pinky. This cue gripping technique is quite difficult to learn. At least I never did.

After I realized this, I use the same thing on almost all my power shots. As long as I make sure that my elbow doesn't move on my final backswing, I can pretty much use my whole arm to fire the cueball away during my followthrough. I try to visualize myself hitting the object ball with the tip of my cue, that helps me with the followthrough. I don't like "jabbing" the cueball at all.

I hope this post helps someone. :)
 
cajunbarboxplyr said:
I find I use the "jab" stroke fo more of a Stun Stroke.....But I highly reccomend the Pendellum stroke.......Will be more smooth and you will strike the cueball in its desinagted spot more consistantly than you would jsut jabbing it......
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Actually, one of the things Mark Wilson told me, when he saw how I set up, and aligned and stroked the ball, was that with the stroke I was using, with about a two inch follow through, was more accurate than a follow through of five or more inches. But he also told me that if I lengthened my follow through to 5 inches or so, by moving my hold on the cue back about 2 1/2 inches, so my wrist was really perpendicular to the floor, that I'd gain power effortlessly on shots requiring more oomph. He asked me to change my stroke in that, among other, ways, and it has helped my game immensely. Mind you, my stroke before wasn't a jab, but it looked like it might be. It was plenty accurate...

Flex
 
I don't even like the term jab, it spells steering and tension. A smooth pendulum stroke and a jab have nothing in common.

Just wait for Scott, you are way to tense and he will help you. Asking all these questions and reading different answers will just confuse you more. Take a break for a bit and relax. If you do play, play in a relaxed slow motion. Let what happens happen and just clear your mind so your receptive to why things happen and how to fix them.

Rod
 
It depends how you define "jab." When I think of jab I think of a very quick pendulum stroke, with very little follow through... and normally this also means that you hurry to get your cue out of the way because the cue ball is coming back fast. This is the stroke I would use on a draw shot where the OB and CB are 3" or less away from eachother and I need to draw straight back or nearly straight back.
 
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