People who are so Eager to quit?

StormHotRod300

StormHotRod300

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Last friday I was asked to play some, with a guy who I know. We end up playing some 20$ sets going to 5 on a 9ft.

I end up beating him 5-1, 5-2, 5-2. Now the score doesnt tell of how i actually played. Alot of the times my opponent would miss on the 7 or the 8, or leave me the last to or three on the table. And I would run out.

And after the 3rd set he ended up quiting. But he tells me He'll play me anytime any day on this table.

Now a few days before this, i was playing someone else 25$ sets on a 9ft he wins the first set i win the next and he quits!!!! And both sets went to hill hill.

I've had it before where I've been down 2 or 3 sets and battle back and then the guy quits!!! its like WTF i just spent 2 or 3 hours battling to get back to even and all we do is end up splitting TT and the only one that makes out is the house.

Now to my question! Why is it people are so eager to quit after they've lost 2 or 3 sets? Or they loose win a set, loose a set and quit?

Now what I've done to try to keep this from happening is if someone wants to quit, i say to the person well lets play one last set for said amount and whatever the TT is? that way atleast someone makes out.
 
You want to have fun and money is an added challenge for you.

I guess your opponents just want to make money. When they realize you're too much of a great shooter and won't give away your money easily, they quit.

-Sensation
 
freeze out

you should do a freeze out. Pic a certain amount of money that you are both willing to put up. Then play until one person looses all that money.
Even if you do $25 sets say you both are will to put up $100 play til ones bankroll is gone
 
alot of people like to quite after losing and then winning or even the other way around because they would be even money wise... when they loose, and then they win and become even, they are afraid to loose the next and be out of pocket again..

the same goes for when they win, and then loose and quite.. once they are up, they will continue to play till there is a chance they can actually loose their money.. once there is a chance they may loose money they get cold feet and quite...

nothing is worse then the guy who wins and then quits... thats a D MOVE!

chris
 
Teko,

I never thought about doing a freeze out. I bet most guys in my area wouldnt know what it is lol. The only reason it came to my mind was i just watched The Hustler the other day (again ) on AMC, and remember'd when Eddie, does the 100$ freeze out, and whips the guy, but then gets his thumbs broken lol.
 
When I am playing for money, I have started to agree on how many sets we are gonna play before we start.

Either 3 or 5 so one of us will win something. After the sets you can just walk away, the match is finished and there is a winner.
 
a lot of the guys I play with around here are like that. Once things start going a little rough for them, they bail. One guy in particular is a sure bet that if he loses the first set that he will bail. But hey, at least I got $20 more in my pocket than I started with..... lol. I am the total opposite, I like to keep playing unless I am just over matched. In that case, why continue to get blown out with no chance to win. A lot of people gamble with money that they really shouldn't be taking a chance on losing, so they panic when they start to get down.

Your example of the guy that you beat three in a row, even though you say you didn't necessarily play well and he just missed late in the games, he must have decided that he to was playing crappy and had no chance to win. Do you blame him for not wanting to just give you all his cash?
 
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As a guy who does not gamble money on pool games, maybe you've won all the money they had to lose. Maybe a few sets was all they wanted to play. Who knows.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Why is it people are so eager to quit? .
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HotRod,
Maybe they don't like to lose hard-earned money. Maybe they only have a certain amount of time to play. Maybe they don't like you. Maybe they aren't looking to make a score, but just want a friendly game.

I'll usually play until it's time to go home - score be damned. If I find my opponent is a nutcase, a slow player, or short on sportsmanship I'll play one set and quit. If the opponent is a sportsman, a student of the game, or a pro I'll play all night (or at least one hour after my wife calls wondering if I've been in an accident).

In any case, if this bothers you, then just practice up, and win every single set so there is none of this "break even" crap.
 
Williebetmore said:
... If the opponent is a sportsman, a student of the game, or a pro I'll play all night ....
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Sorry Willie much as you might want to we won't be playing all night I'll have better things to do.
 
breakup said:
Sorry Willie much as you might want to we won't be playing all night I'll have better things to do.
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breakup,
Yes, you are correct; we won't be playing all night. I should have amended my initial assessment to read, "if my opponent is a treacherous, no-talent, psychotic, greedy, copyright-infringing, cowardly sack of marmot dung; then I will play only long enough to completely demoralize and pauperize him."

I suspect your complete destruction should only take about 20 minutes (unless of course you actually make more than 1 ball, in which case 25 minutes is about right, including your average of 5 minutes per shot) - so you will have plenty of time to get back to your plans for the Moose Riding Olympics, or the Wild Grizzly Bear Petting Zoo, or the Walrus Flavored Pop Tarts, or the Marmot Pelt Footwear Empire, or whatever the hell else your twisted mind is conceiving currently.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Last friday I was asked to play some, with a guy who I know. We end up playing some 20$ sets going to 5 on a 9ft.

I end up beating him 5-1, 5-2, 5-2. Now the score doesnt tell of how i actually played. Alot of the times my opponent would miss on the 7 or the 8, or leave me the last to or three on the table. And I would run out.

And after the 3rd set he ended up quiting. But he tells me He'll play me anytime any day on this table.

Now a few days before this, i was playing someone else 25$ sets on a 9ft he wins the first set i win the next and he quits!!!! And both sets went to hill hill.

I've had it before where I've been down 2 or 3 sets and battle back and then the guy quits!!! its like WTF i just spent 2 or 3 hours battling to get back to even and all we do is end up splitting TT and the only one that makes out is the house.

Now to my question! Why is it people are so eager to quit after they've lost 2 or 3 sets? Or they loose win a set, loose a set and quit?

Now what I've done to try to keep this from happening is if someone wants to quit, i say to the person well lets play one last set for said amount and whatever the TT is? that way atleast someone makes out.
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After losing three straight $25 sets I would quit to. Hell, I'd probably quit after set two. I'm not too keen on losing $100+.

That said, I'm not much of gambler. I only play for what I have in my pocket, and I never go to an atm with the purpose of taking money out for gambling. I usually only play for money these days against AAA and pro players, just because I want their best game and money usually brings it out.

Another example of my non-gamblingness. I went to a casino/race track for the first time a few months ago. I brought $20 to throw around. I lost $10 on the races, and then went to the slots (that's all they had other than horse races). On my first dollar I won $100 and then quit.
 
It really depends on who I am playing. First of all, I don't match up for much against people who are unknowns. Good way to get broke. When I was playing, I'd play $10 or $20 sets against pretty much anyone I didn't know, but they usually had to come ask me to play, as I was always practicing.

That said, I've been down 2 sets or so, and came back plenty of times. I generally know when I am "supposed" to beat my opponent, and I kick it up a notch when I am behind. I am kind of a slow starter, so I often find myself down 2 sets. I get warmed up in the third, and most of the time my opponents have quit when I get even.

This has led to some really good performances on my part, tho. I play a guy once, $20 sets, and he has me down two sets. I get really p***ed at myself, and just totally destroy him the third set, 7-1. He had nothing to shoot at during the set, except for when I failed to make a ball on the break one time. He ran a few balls, played a really good safe, then ran out when I did not get safe on the kick. I made a masse and a jump shot to get out in two of the games.

The guy actually quit, being up on me $20. Needless to say, I did not play the guy for money any more after that. Turns out he was a decent player who was in college, just trying to scrap a few extra dollars here and there. I didn't hold it against him, but giving my proclivity to start slow, I wasn't giving him a "free" shot at my money, knowing he'd quit winners.

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
It really depends on who I am playing. First of all, I don't match up for much against people who are unknowns. Good way to get broke. When I was playing, I'd play $10 or $20 sets against pretty much anyone I didn't know, but they usually had to come ask me to play, as I was always practicing.

That said, I've been down 2 sets or so, and came back plenty of times. I generally know when I am "supposed" to beat my opponent, and I kick it up a notch when I am behind. I am kind of a slow starter, so I often find myself down 2 sets. I get warmed up in the third, and most of the time my opponents have quit when I get even.

This has led to some really good performances on my part, tho. I play a guy once, $20 sets, and he has me down two sets. I get really p***ed at myself, and just totally destroy him the third set, 7-1. He had nothing to shoot at during the set, except for when I failed to make a ball on the break one time. He ran a few balls, played a really good safe, then ran out when I did not get safe on the kick. I made a masse and a jump shot to get out in two of the games.

The guy actually quit, being up on me $20. Needless to say, I did not play the guy for money any more after that. Turns out he was a decent player who was in college, just trying to scrap a few extra dollars here and there. I didn't hold it against him, but giving my proclivity to start slow, I wasn't giving him a "free" shot at my money, knowing he'd quit winners.

Russ
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IMO, there is no sin in quitting when you're winning. A few years ago I played a guy in Memphis $200 sets of 9 ball getting the 8. When that didn't work out for him, we evened it up for $500 a set. After about 2 sets I noticed it was getting close to the time when I had to leave. So I quit. This guy says, "Oh... so now you're gonna quit winners?"

My response was, "WTF am I supposed to do? Wait around here until you start winning?" What sense does that make? "I can leave whenever I want, and there is nothing you can do about it, so pay the money and shut up." Now I understood he was $1500+ in the hole with his backer, but that was his problem, not mine.

Nobody is out there to give money away. I was out there to win it. If I'm up on you and you bring it back even I have every right to quit when its even. I can quit when I am still ahead $200 and so what? That is the risk you take when you put cash on the line.
 
Blackjack said:
IMO, there is no sin in quitting when you're winning. A few years ago I played a guy in Memphis $200 sets of 9 ball getting the 8. When that didn't work out for him, we evened it up for $500 a set. After about 2 sets I noticed it was getting close to the time when I had to leave. So I quit. This guy says, "Oh... so now you're gonna quit winners?"

My response was, "WTF am I supposed to do? Wait around here until you start winning?" What sense does that make? "I can leave whenever I want, and there is nothing you can do about it, so pay the money and shut up." Now I understood he was $1500+ in the hole with his backer, but that was his problem, not mine.

Nobody is out there to give money away. I was out there to win it. If I'm up on you and you bring it back even I have every right to quit when its even. I can quit when I am still ahead $200 and so what? That is the risk you take when you put cash on the line.
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I agree entirely, Blackjack. When you like the game, play it. When you don't like it, or don't like it anymore, quit. Why should you play when you don't want to? Some others have suggested the solution for a player who doesn't want to risk having the other guy quit; put stipulations in the arrangement at the beginning. If you tell me that you don't want me to quit while I'm ahead, and you tell me so before we start, I can refuse if I don't like it. If you want to win $100 in $20 sets, insist on a freeze-out. When the rules are clear at the beginning, you can avoid bad feelings and misunderstandings.

All of that said, when I gambled a lot I tried not to quit a guy when I was in his pocket. It seemed a little rude to me. But I always knew that this was just my personal choice, not a universal rule. I certainly never felt that I HAD to keep playing, I just didn't like hurting the other guy's feelings.
 
If I like the guy, I wont do a freezeout, I'll just play til one of us had to leave, winner or loser no problems. If I dont like the guy, or he is known to quit early, I'll ask for a freezeout and they usually turn it down because they arent willing to risk it. this way, I dont worry about someone quitting early. I do agree with blackjack, you can quit whenever you want, but it does smooth the water a bit if things like this are discussed before playing.
 
This is a "No Brainer". Quit when you are ahead or anytime you want to. Why do pool players think they have to go broke.
 
Spell it out in advance

I, too, have to announce ahead of time exactly how long or how many sets I can play. I'm a diabetic. I take insulin, then I eat and I'm good for about 4 hours. But when my sugar starts getting low, as it invariably does as my next meal approaches, I get disoriented and can't hit the floor with a bushel of balls. I could eat something, but it might take a half hour before it straightens me out, so I prefer to stop playing. Anyway, if you tell people up front and they agree, they can't really complain later if you drill them for a hundred then boogie.
 
After reading everyone's responses, which are good and each one makes a good point. Because most people I'm sure dont want to blow thier paycheck on gambling lol, or sometimes its just a bad day of pool, or maybe just in a funk.

Now the guy I beat 3 straight sets, after we got done playing goes and tells me he'll play me anytime any day on that table, which i guess kinda made me chuckle because of what just happend. And I know if i was playing upto par i could have beaten him easily, but I also know if he was playing upto par and didnt miss some of those shots, it could have been the other way around too.

The one I didnt understand but since I played the guy before and kinda knew he might quit, was the guy who won the first set, hill hill, then I come back and win the next set hill hill. Only because we was both playing good and kept on going back n forth. Now maybe he felt he was letting it slip away, and just didnt want to end up in the hole, but it could have turned out differently if he kept on playing.

I did play a guy a few weeks ago, he wanted to gamble, and then tells me I can have all the breaks! I turn and say, well OK but we'll play on a 9ft, which he was kewl with that. simple race/5 for 20.

Each set i would get up 4-1 or 4-2 or something and some how just couldnt seal the set, and ended up loosing 3 sets. I probably would have kept on playing but it just frustrated the hell outa me because I knew with getting all the breaks I should have beaten him easily expecially getting to the hill first in all 3 sets.

Now this sounds bad or like a hustle but if I know, that I am easily beating someone would it favor me to dog a couple shots to let him get close in the match but still win, so he thinks he has a chance, so he doesnt quit so easily. I'm sure i will hear crap about trying to do that but, I gotta think of something to keep the person at the table so he keeps on playing.
 
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