The "Wanted/For Sale" forum is the appropriate venue for those folks who want to market and sell a product or service.
Perfect Aim....Free Phone lessons..........
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Joey:
R-i-i-i-g-h-t. When you get cornered on the accusations you foist on other people, and you don't have an adequate answer or defense to those rebuttals, just "punt" and accuse the other person of needlessly getting wound up, being too detailed, you don't have time, etc. Double standard? There's *another* one right there from you, along with the one in point #4 that you didn't respond to.
About giving back to the forum related to Geno, and how "those other folks" give back to the forum, but "maybe not as much as Geno," that is certainly in contention. There is the question of what exactly has Geno "contributed" to the forum in the ways of real information (not sales pitches for his phone or in-person lessons). I think a lot of folks agree that while Geno's lessons in phone or in person may be great (of this I have no doubt), his postings here on AZB are devoid of real, tangible, usable information. They are just referrals to call or visit him to "get" the information, which to their core (by definition) are sales pitches for a product.
Joey, I don't think it's right that you're trying to put this on me. Like I said, I and others weren't saying anything until you started it, out of the blue. You rattled the cage, and have the nerve to be surprised when people respond? You need to remember your place in these matters -- not back-pedal.
Anyway, I'm done with this. Yes, I'm cool, and we're cool.
-Sean
No sweat Sean. It's all good.
We just differ on how much of a contribution Gene is to AZB.
If I would have answered your #4, I would have said, "I try to put in some quality posts from time to time". Whew....
Rob Roy has been pushing DVD sales for months in the main forum.
I haven't seen anyone say a word about that.
The reason I bring this up is because I started a thread in the main forum to find out what a pool book that I have from the 1800 hundreds might be worth.
It was locked after three people responded and I was told by that Wilson guy that it was in the wrong place.
I have never sold or tried to sell anything in any of the forums at any time, I guess there is a double standard and it all depends on who you
are or who you know.
Maybe I should try and sell some DVD's in the main forum and see how that works out and report back on it. Riiight!
I haven't seen anyone say a word about that.
The reason I bring this up is because I started a thread in the main forum to find out what a pool book that I have from the 1800 hundreds might be worth.
It was locked after three people responded and I was told by that Wilson guy that it was in the wrong place.
I have never sold or tried to sell anything in any of the forums at any time, I guess there is a double standard and it all depends on who you
are or who you know.
Maybe I should try and sell some DVD's in the main forum and see how that works out and report back on it. Riiight!
You have a pool book from the 1800's??? That's pretty cool. Bob Jewett has a pretty substantial collection. I'm sure if you PMed him he would tell you about the value of the book. Just make sure you tell him the condition.
What is the name of the book, btw?
I don't think there's much intentional double standard.
It's more a "lack of time or interest" standard, imho.
AZ is the best site going for pool, regardless. I think most of us, even the marketeers, work to keep it that way.
Jeff Livingston
There are different ideas about that situation, itsfroze, but here's mine. I think the issue is the amount of "bumping" that goes in certain threads, before the thread/poster starts to become really visible. Additionally, I think it also boils down to what value that poster otherwise offers freely to AZB. It's that "socking points into the ol' AZB bank" thing. I do recall seeing those threads from Robin, and yes, you are correct -- there should be even-handedness when it comes to unsolicited marketing on the forums. However, Robin's socked a lot of value into the AZB bank. She contributes freely, and opines freely as well. At least that's my impression of Robin -- I may be wrong.
Like Joey said, it's a perspective issue on how folks view Geno's "contributions" to AZB. Many of us view it as he has no points at all socked into the AZB bank -- from Day 1, when he first subscribed, it was a never-ending aggressive sales pitch. Others view Geno's "value" as what happens after a viewer calls / visits Geno, and takes his lessons -- meaning, you can't see the "value" of Geno's sales postings UNLESS YOU BECOME GENO's CUSTOMER first. That's a value-perspective question, and yes, I guess that is subjective in nature.
Additionally, the constant bumping of his threads -- not by the "mandatory homework assignments" of testimonials offered by his students -- but by Geno himself, is what raises the ire. Look at the copy of this thread on the Main forum. In the last couple hours, it was bumped twice by Geno himself in just a little over an hour.
Anyway, I just want to say you have a point. Even-handedness needs to prevail in these situations.
Sorry to hear about your experience with trying to sell that book. That sounds like a very interesting item, and I'm sorry I missed it!
Thanks for your input,
-Sean
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Like I said I just trying to find out what it's value was Sean, if I was trying to sell it I wouldn't have it in my possession months latter, but thanks for rewording what I said
As far as a double standard it's not by over site as someone said, when a thread is on the 1st page almost all the time please don't try and tell me they didn't see it that's insulting.
Personally I couldn't care less if she tries to sell her DVD's in the main forum, just treat everyone equally,that's all I ask. Apparently that's asking too much. Have a great day.
As far as a double standard it's not by over site as someone said, when a thread is on the 1st page almost all the time please don't try and tell me they didn't see it that's insulting.
Personally I couldn't care less if she tries to sell her DVD's in the main forum, just treat everyone equally,that's all I ask. Apparently that's asking too much. Have a great day.
Suffice to say that many here are tired of tripping over sales pitches in the main forum or anywhere else outside of the for sale section, and it is fairly common knowledge who the worst offenders are, so there is no need to name names or point fingers.
Somewhere along the line certain people I guess got the notion that as long as it isn't lumber, luggage, or slate you are selling then it's OK. The fact of the matter is ANYTHING for sale is supposed to be in the for sale section of this forum. It's probably seen most often in regards to instruction and instructional material. So it's very similar to being bothered by a sales pitch on your home phone at 9 PM even though you are on the "do not call" list. It's a nuisance and against the rules so people understandably come to resent it.
But there is a whole other side to it that is probably more pertinent that doesn't seem to get mentioned. This practice is blatantly rude and unfair to other providers of product that don't break the rules, limiting their pitches to the proper forum and obey the bumping rules. It's a big FU to guys like Eberle and Brumback that offer quality instructional material but play by the rules.
The other thing I don't get is that at any point in time if you look at the stats, there are usually close to the same number of people (sometimes more) in the for sale section as the main forum. And most likely these are the people looking for something to buy.
Somewhere along the line certain people I guess got the notion that as long as it isn't lumber, luggage, or slate you are selling then it's OK. The fact of the matter is ANYTHING for sale is supposed to be in the for sale section of this forum. It's probably seen most often in regards to instruction and instructional material. So it's very similar to being bothered by a sales pitch on your home phone at 9 PM even though you are on the "do not call" list. It's a nuisance and against the rules so people understandably come to resent it.
But there is a whole other side to it that is probably more pertinent that doesn't seem to get mentioned. This practice is blatantly rude and unfair to other providers of product that don't break the rules, limiting their pitches to the proper forum and obey the bumping rules. It's a big FU to guys like Eberle and Brumback that offer quality instructional material but play by the rules.
The other thing I don't get is that at any point in time if you look at the stats, there are usually close to the same number of people (sometimes more) in the for sale section as the main forum. And most likely these are the people looking for something to buy.
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Not intentional hey, I guess they just missed these.
Fri 22 6:43 EST main forum 1st page:
Today, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Robroy View Post
I love sharing the information I have about the jump shot. And Jerry's DVD's fit perfect for my customers too, I'm very picky what I sale my desire is helping players improve their game.
Now I'm watching Lee Brett's DVD. So far what I've seen "2 Thumbs Up" (I've already used it in my lesson, yesterday)
As a player I never watched DVD's but I have to admit...I was dumb!!!
What great insight I've been getting!
Learning from years of others time and efforts.
My two cents: Look for reviews if you see a two thumbs up and you play more than 3 times a week...BUY!!!
So far: 1600 Mastering the Jump shot DVD SOLD Less than a year
So far: 160 Jerry Briesath's (I haven't had them very long)
So far: Lee Brett....still reviewing myself... But they will be a hot seller too...
Agreed???
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04-07-2012, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Robroy View Post
I'm thrilled that Jerry put the info in his head onto his new Instructional DVD's!!!
I worked with Jerry a few years ago, he helped me with my teaching skills.
Now I have a library of information. Anyone else get lessons from Jerry?
I asked Jerry if I could market his DVD's (I'm no dummy) and he said YES!
He knows I love to grind
Personally I hope to dissect the 3 DVD's for myself, if I could learn how to teach like Jerry in my lifetime I would LOVE it!!!
If your interested PM me, I've been selling them and getting close for another 100!!!
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I guess they just missed these, RIGHT!
With such interest in this subject, maybe you could volunteer to peruse posts and identify those which break the rules.
I'm pretty sure, what with all this trouble lately, AZ could use the help.
Jeff Livingston
I do try to be careful...I will for sure tone it down sorry. And you are right I'm a one trick pony I'm guilty of having sell sell sell on my brain way to much!!! Sorry guys...
Sorry about the phone lessons right now.......
I don't quite understand it but since this thread was put in the for sale section I've been flooded with calls to learn Perfect Aim on the phone.
I can't handle all the calls but I am calling one a day back to try and help. I'm in Kansas City Mo and it's gotten kind of crazy with the lessons. And playing in some of the weekly tournys also.
I'm still doing them so keep calling and I'll get to you when I can.
If you call you might just hit it lucky where I got a free half hour. So keep calling.
thanks again geno.........Tomorrow is plum full for sure. 4 lessons to do.:yikes: But that's a good thing.....
I don't quite understand it but since this thread was put in the for sale section I've been flooded with calls to learn Perfect Aim on the phone.
I can't handle all the calls but I am calling one a day back to try and help. I'm in Kansas City Mo and it's gotten kind of crazy with the lessons. And playing in some of the weekly tournys also.
I'm still doing them so keep calling and I'll get to you when I can.
If you call you might just hit it lucky where I got a free half hour. So keep calling.
thanks again geno.........Tomorrow is plum full for sure. 4 lessons to do.:yikes: But that's a good thing.....