Perfect Aim Video and Lesson Phoenix
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Why did you say the Phoenix Guy was an "IDIOT", as what the Phoenix guy said was.
"something about see the shot better"
Rethunk, thanks for your advice, but I believe the answer to my question is important information for all of us who have purchased the DVD or taken lessons on "Perfect Aim." It is a simple question, so hopefully I'll get an answer. Perhaps you, or others who understand his "system" can answer if Gene doesn't. Thanks.
Now why did you say that? Please explain.
see post 573. also have received a few pm's. contrary to what geno says not everyone thinks perfect aim is as great as he says it is. still waiting for a respected instructor to give it the thumbs up and according to shooting arts (who i know i still reviewing it) only one out of the three core concepts was previously unknown to him.
brian
Lmaorof
If that all this guy could say, after 10 + minutes on the phone, and buying and watching the DVD, and a Private Lesson. I would say they maybe did not learn anything new.
I hear the sale pitch again.:smile:
I believe the above statement says two things.
Now I am confused? So is it A or B ABOVE????
Why did you need a FLACK. Slang for a PR Person?
:smile:The ABOVE DESCRIPTION is not me, I am on a fixed income and watch my money like a HAWK. Wish I had GREEN to BURN by I did hit the Power-ball.:smile:
(NO Home Table for, $2000.00 to 20,0000.00 for a table.
Never Pay that $35.00 for some tips.
$5.00-$11.00 is my limit, not $25.00 to $500.00 to enter tournaments.
Do not Gamble so you goof with Gamble from anywheres from $5.00 to $500.00 a set. )
There goes the sale pitch again.
If that all this guy could say, after 10 + minutes on the phone, and buying and watching the DVD, and a Private Lesson. I would say they maybe did not learn anything new.
I hear the sale pitch again.:smile:
I believe the above statement says two things.
Now I am confused? So is it A or B ABOVE????
Why did you need a FLACK. Slang for a PR Person?
:smile:The ABOVE DESCRIPTION is not me, I am on a fixed income and watch my money like a HAWK. Wish I had GREEN to BURN by I did hit the Power-ball.:smile:(NO Home Table for, $2000.00 to 20,0000.00 for a table.
Never Pay that $35.00 for some tips.
$5.00-$11.00 is my limit, not $25.00 to $500.00 to enter tournaments.
Do not Gamble so you goof with Gamble from anywheres from $5.00 to $500.00 a set. )
There goes the sale pitch again.
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Thanks for the reply...:thumbup:
Why do you say that?
I recall a couple of years ago there was a guy offering these on the forum, BEST TIP TOOL??? Everyone needs ONE. NOW WHERE is the Guy who sold em....GONE, and so is Diamondback the Company who made em.
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Cowboy reminds me of a story
Cowboy-
You haven't seen the video, and you have no concrete evidence that it isn't useful instruction. The only argument that you have given is that it is overpriced in your opinion. It sounds like you would be interested if it was $19.95 with a money back guarantee. You have also mentioned that you won't bet a nickel, travel, play in tough tournaments to get better, and you are a self admitted cheapskate. All that shows is that this is too pricey for you! You are in the vast minority here, as made apparent by the 1500 orders. That would be like standing outside of a McDonalds scoffing at how they can charge $2.79 for a cheeseburger. You don't have to buy one, but they are still doing plenty of business. To lower their price to gain one additional customer would cost them a ton of money!
In fact, that reminds me of a story.
A guy sees an attractive women at a bar. He approaches her and says, "Ma'am, I am a very rich man, and I find you incredibly attractive. What would you say if I offered you one million dollars to come spend the night at my place?"
She thought about it for a moment, then replied, "yes, for a million dollars I will go home with you."
He then told her "Actually, I am not a rich man, but I will give you $40 if you will accept that instead."
"$40!" she angrily replied. "What do you think I am?"
He said, "Ma'am, we've already established what you are. Now we are just haggling over a price..."
Cowboy-
You haven't seen the video, and you have no concrete evidence that it isn't useful instruction. The only argument that you have given is that it is overpriced in your opinion. It sounds like you would be interested if it was $19.95 with a money back guarantee. You have also mentioned that you won't bet a nickel, travel, play in tough tournaments to get better, and you are a self admitted cheapskate. All that shows is that this is too pricey for you! You are in the vast minority here, as made apparent by the 1500 orders. That would be like standing outside of a McDonalds scoffing at how they can charge $2.79 for a cheeseburger. You don't have to buy one, but they are still doing plenty of business. To lower their price to gain one additional customer would cost them a ton of money!
In fact, that reminds me of a story.
A guy sees an attractive women at a bar. He approaches her and says, "Ma'am, I am a very rich man, and I find you incredibly attractive. What would you say if I offered you one million dollars to come spend the night at my place?"
She thought about it for a moment, then replied, "yes, for a million dollars I will go home with you."
He then told her "Actually, I am not a rich man, but I will give you $40 if you will accept that instead."
"$40!" she angrily replied. "What do you think I am?"
He said, "Ma'am, we've already established what you are. Now we are just haggling over a price..."
At $69.90+ Plus $10.00 FOR SHIPPING IMHO it is overpriced. Add to that what one gentleman told me on the phone, who bought the DVD, and had Private Lesson.
Plus a few PM's from Member of AZB who SOLD THE DVD's.
BTW this forum purpose unless it is unchanged is for free expression of ideas, and opinions.:smile:
BTW with 610 Posts maybe the time has come to put a
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ah that story has no bearing at all. $80 IS overpriced for an instructional dvd (esp one that by geno's own admission was only meant to supplement his private instructional sessions). show me another instructional dvd that costs that much. just b/c folks have bought it doesnt mean its not overpriced. why so epensive? oh yeah. he just wants to give back to the game that has given him so much...
brian
Brian,
I'm not going to speak for the respected instructor but you can take my word for it (or not
) that at least one respected instructor thinks there is great value in Perfect Aim and he didn't get the DVD for free either.Cowboy seems to be more than frugal; almost bitter to a fault for Gene's success at selling his video for a handsome price.
I recently borrowed Jimmy Reid's "Almost All I Know" set of DVD's and liked it so much that I bought a set for myself.
I'm waiting for Gene to show up at Galveston where I can get the newest and best PERFECT AIM DVD & lesson in person.
Put me on the list. You got me. I teased you for months about being the best salesman I have ever not seen without getting even slightly irritated.
You got to like and respect a guy who doesn't flinch.
Cowboy hits him with his best shot almost daily and all Gene will do is say Cowboy is probably a really nice guy.....
JoeyA
Who's to say that $70 or $X is too much for an instructional DVD? Just because other DVDs are $Y doesn't dictate what you charge for yours. Either people buy it or they don't--- and it looks like people bought his DVD in chunks.
For me, I bought the DVD after I watched it and he sent me a free copy. It was knowledge I didn't have before. Not to mention, I won a 14.1 match because I used his info to win a safety battle. So, what is that worth? I have a new tool in my toolbox and it's rare I get new tools.
If people think it's too much--- just don't buy it. It's really that simple.
For me, I bought the DVD after I watched it and he sent me a free copy. It was knowledge I didn't have before. Not to mention, I won a 14.1 match because I used his info to win a safety battle. So, what is that worth? I have a new tool in my toolbox and it's rare I get new tools.
If people think it's too much--- just don't buy it. It's really that simple.
Brian,
I'm not going to speak for the respected instructor but you can take my word for it (or not
Cowboy seems to be more than frugal; almost bitter to a fault for Gene's success at selling his video for a handsome price.
I recently borrowed Jimmy Reid's "Almost All I Know" set of DVD's and liked it so much that I bought a set for myself.
I'm waiting for Gene to show up at Galveston where I can get the newest and best PERFECT AIM DVD & lesson in person.
Put me on the list. You got me. I teased you for months about being the best salesman I have ever not seen without getting even slightly irritated.
You got to like and respect a guy who doesn't flinch.
Cowboy hits him with his best shot almost daily and all Gene will do is say Cowboy is probably a really nice guy.....
JoeyA
The fact that Gene will not drop to Cocobolacowboy's level for an argument speaks volumes for his character. Also, if you learn a lil bit to improve your game from his DVD it is priceless.
Coco is a 5 rated player in the Arizona ratings system if I have heard correctly. At this level, he is lucky to ever break and run unless all the balls are resting in a pocket. I sense a little pool jealousy here.
Gene,
I will order your DVD, finances just a lil short right now. $70 is usually just a drop in the bucket but lawyers fees might add up for personal stuff. I am really curious as to the info on the DVD and I will gladly pay as soon as things are in order. Good luck on further sales.:thumbup:
Price and a few other thoughts
Some people seem to feel that no instructional video should cost more than $20, setting their value on somebody else's work and knowledge. I have paid considerably more for instructional material and I have to point out that Kinister has sold a $100 instructional pool DVD for years. I owned a legal copy of the $100 DVD and gave it away to a friend. Best I can recall about the $100 DVD, Gene's offers more value. By that standard he should be asking over $100 for his, not that I want to give him ideas!
I did say that there is only one core concept that I see as new. However the other things that I consider core concepts that I already knew I learned other places, not playing pool or through pool instruction or training materials. I don't know how likely others are to figure out the same things or transfer them from other areas to pool. To do these things you have to violate some of the core principles that many instructors teach so without thinking outside the box or being led outside the box a player simply isn't going to get there.
I did have the luxury of seeing the DVD without purchasing it. After seeing the DVD, for me it comes down to if I find the material I didn't already know useful or not. If I find it useful I'll send Gene the dollars for a DVD. If I decide that the new(to me) material isn't an added tool for my game I won't buy a DVD. Not exactly fair but I never claimed to be perfect, just damned near! 
Others may find completely different areas of the DVD useful in their game. It doesn't take much to be worth $100 in a pool hall.
Gene is making a very nice profit off of his DVD. Others have tried to do the same with varying degrees of success. Bang for the buck is hard to define. I have spent hundreds on things that turned out to be junk and I have found gold very cheaply sometimes. I just bought two more copies of my favorite book on the mental game. Retail $20, either they were on sale or I got a dealer discount I didn't notice, $15 each. Best deal I have made in a long time.
Hu
Some people seem to feel that no instructional video should cost more than $20, setting their value on somebody else's work and knowledge. I have paid considerably more for instructional material and I have to point out that Kinister has sold a $100 instructional pool DVD for years. I owned a legal copy of the $100 DVD and gave it away to a friend. Best I can recall about the $100 DVD, Gene's offers more value. By that standard he should be asking over $100 for his, not that I want to give him ideas!
I did say that there is only one core concept that I see as new. However the other things that I consider core concepts that I already knew I learned other places, not playing pool or through pool instruction or training materials. I don't know how likely others are to figure out the same things or transfer them from other areas to pool. To do these things you have to violate some of the core principles that many instructors teach so without thinking outside the box or being led outside the box a player simply isn't going to get there.
I did have the luxury of seeing the DVD without purchasing it. After seeing the DVD, for me it comes down to if I find the material I didn't already know useful or not. If I find it useful I'll send Gene the dollars for a DVD. If I decide that the new(to me) material isn't an added tool for my game I won't buy a DVD. Not exactly fair but I never claimed to be perfect, just damned near!
Others may find completely different areas of the DVD useful in their game. It doesn't take much to be worth $100 in a pool hall. Gene is making a very nice profit off of his DVD. Others have tried to do the same with varying degrees of success. Bang for the buck is hard to define. I have spent hundreds on things that turned out to be junk and I have found gold very cheaply sometimes. I just bought two more copies of my favorite book on the mental game. Retail $20, either they were on sale or I got a dealer discount I didn't notice, $15 each. Best deal I have made in a long time.
Hu
Perfect AIM
Is perfect Aim really worth its price?Maybe to some to others no.
Do you think perfect Aim would help The Pearl or Niels feigen?
Some people seem to feel that no instructional video should cost more than $20, setting their value on somebody else's work and knowledge. I have paid considerably more for instructional material and I have to point out that Kinister has sold a $100 instructional pool DVD for years. I owned a legal copy of the $100 DVD and gave it away to a friend. Best I can recall about the $100 DVD, Gene's offers more value. By that standard he should be asking over $100 for his, not that I want to give him ideas!
I did say that there is only one core concept that I see as new. However the other things that I consider core concepts that I already knew I learned other places, not playing pool or through pool instruction or training materials. I don't know how likely others are to figure out the same things or transfer them from other areas to pool. To do these things you have to violate some of the core principles that many instructors teach so without thinking outside the box or being led outside the box a player simply isn't going to get there.
I did have the luxury of seeing the DVD without purchasing it. After seeing the DVD, for me it comes down to if I find the material I didn't already know useful or not. If I find it useful I'll send Gene the dollars for a DVD. If I decide that the new(to me) material isn't an added tool for my game I won't buy a DVD. Not exactly fair but I never claimed to be perfect, just damned near!
Gene is making a very nice profit off of his DVD. Others have tried to do the same with varying degrees of success. Bang for the buck is hard to define. I have spent hundreds on things that turned out to be junk and I have found gold very cheaply sometimes. I just bought two more copies of my favorite book on the mental game. Retail $20, either they were on sale or I got a dealer discount I didn't notice, $15 each. Best deal I have made in a long time.
Hu
Is perfect Aim really worth its price?Maybe to some to others no.
Do you think perfect Aim would help The Pearl or Niels feigen?
only they can say
That is the catch with instructional video's, only each individual can say for sure about the value to them. It's definitely possible that the Perfect Aim video could help either one of them. There is a good bit of constructive information on the video. However, the information either has to be new to them or something that they have slipped into bad habits about. The other thing is that no instruction or video has any value if a person doesn't apply it. Even if value is there, a person has to be willing to see it.
I bought the video set to help Jimmy Reid. I was pretty skeptical that I would get much out of it. I had only watched a few minutes of the first video when I got way more than my money back. As someone who has been playing far longer than I want to admit, I don't think about my bridge at all. Watching his basic video I realized that I had let the arthritis in my bridge hand make me sloppy and I needed to correct my bridge. Somebody else thought another section was the greatest thing since bottled beer, a section I wasn't interested in.
In the end most of us just have to take a chance as I have dozens of times in the past. The general consensus about Gene's video seems to be that it is a good value. I certainly haven't ruled that out and intend to work more with the material in the video myself. When and if I get time to work with the key concept that may offer something for me I will report my findings.
Hu
That is the catch with instructional video's, only each individual can say for sure about the value to them. It's definitely possible that the Perfect Aim video could help either one of them. There is a good bit of constructive information on the video. However, the information either has to be new to them or something that they have slipped into bad habits about. The other thing is that no instruction or video has any value if a person doesn't apply it. Even if value is there, a person has to be willing to see it.
I bought the video set to help Jimmy Reid. I was pretty skeptical that I would get much out of it. I had only watched a few minutes of the first video when I got way more than my money back. As someone who has been playing far longer than I want to admit, I don't think about my bridge at all. Watching his basic video I realized that I had let the arthritis in my bridge hand make me sloppy and I needed to correct my bridge. Somebody else thought another section was the greatest thing since bottled beer, a section I wasn't interested in.
In the end most of us just have to take a chance as I have dozens of times in the past. The general consensus about Gene's video seems to be that it is a good value. I certainly haven't ruled that out and intend to work more with the material in the video myself. When and if I get time to work with the key concept that may offer something for me I will report my findings.
Hu
If that's all he could remember from the conversation then he must not have been paying attention...and if he payed money to take a lesson that he didn't pay attention to, well, that would make him an idiot in my book.
If he just didn't want to share it with you....then he's probably pretty smart