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Perfect Aim
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Hi there Patrick,
This is what I'm trying to tell the pool world. This will work for everyone. Every once in a while I will find someone that nothing will work for but after 4 hours with no extra charge for the lesson they start to catch on like a miracle.
The eyes have to be in these positions to see the shot correctly. There are not 2 or three different positions. If they are doing something else that works fairly well to aim and they keep their head right there and I do a check, Perfect Aim would have gotten them there the same way. There is only one spot to have the eyes for that peticular individual.
Perfect Aim not only gets you there but you learn how to get there and correct your aim even in tough pressure situations. If you know how to get the eyes in the proper position you have something very definite to concentrate on.
Have you ever gotten down on a shot and tried to aim it the best you could. Finally you shoot the shot anyway. I call this giving up on the shot. Most of the time this turns into a miss and you kind of say to yourself, HOLY COW IF IT WENT. Once a person learns Perfect Aim you can throw the term,GIVE UP ON THE SHOT in the trash. You can erase it from your mind. Now you can get down and focus on something because you have a clue where the eyes need to be in the first place. You know you can find that spot that give you the best possibility to make the ball and get shape.
I know where the eyes need to be for me. I help everyone that buys Perfect Aim learn where they need to be for them.
You know what is really sad. Many players when they get in a real tough situation. Like one shot for all the bananas to win something. You made the shot 100 times in a row. Now you miss it by a mile.
Everyone says WOW did you see that guy choke. He didn't really choke at all. He just got a little excited and got down to shoot the shot and didn't qiute have the eyes in that perfect position. They were on the other side of his aim where it looked ok to shoot but could be distorted a little.
Can you remember a situation where you would have paid a bunch of money not to miss that shot. Learning Perfect Aim will cut that peticular miss by 3/4 almost immediately.
I know because I don't miss those balls very often. And once you learn Perfect Aim you won't either.
Thanks for the input Geno....................
Your 100% correct.............
One eye is usually responsible for most of the aiming and the other helps mostly with depth perception and keeping the cue looking straight.
I use what is called the drift method. This info is one of the extras available to everyone that owns a Perfect Aim video. I use this and it would be so helpful to add it to what you have explained with depth perception. They can call 715=563-8712 for this free info............
Thanks for the input. geno.............
One eye is usually responsible for most of the aiming and the other helps mostly with depth perception and keeping the cue looking straight.
I use what is called the drift method. This info is one of the extras available to everyone that owns a Perfect Aim video. I use this and it would be so helpful to add it to what you have explained with depth perception. They can call 715=563-8712 for this free info............
Thanks for the input. geno.............
Had to look proprioceptive up: "the sense of the orientation of one's limbs in space"
I think you should say "for me" rather than "IMO".
If proprioception was all anybody needed I'd agree, but I don't think it is. It isn't enough for me - I need to visually confirm that my bridge is correctly placed and that I'm stroking my stick along the correct line after I'm down on the shot.
I agree, once I've confirmed, but for me that takes some sighting while down.
pj
chgo
Good post Brian, I understand exactly what you are saying. But I also understand why Joey felt the need to "defend" Gene. Although I think Gene does just fine defending himself.
I had a long post typed out but I dont think its needed.
Hope everyone made it through the mobs at the malls today unharmed :smile:
Woody
AZ is the best pool forum in the world.............
Hi there Brian,
I was very lucky that I started my Perfect Aim journey in Las Vegas and then to Phoenix. With my van broke down in Utah I bought a little Chevy Metro to get the rest of the way. Gave some lessons and won a tournament and then headed to Phoenix.
My friend Harry had a house that he was fixing to rent so I could stay there.
I had no idea how this would turn out but I knew Perfect Aim was the real deal.
After 98 personal lessons and the Desert Classic tour event we built a web site with testimonials to let everyone know how well it worked. The players in Phoenix are the greatest also. They care about their pool and were excited about learning something that would help their game immediately.
I only planned on staying for a couple of weeks but the word of mouth was spreading and I had to many lessons to give to leave.
I had been out of pool for about 10 years since 1999. I tried to play a little from 2007 on but was really struggleing with undiagnosed diabetes. This is why I quit in 99. I could hardly get to the tournaments.
In 2008 I moved back to Wisconsin. In dec I had a stroke. It was called a mini stroke. Just made me real stupid and clumsy for a month or so. Jan 3rd I was diagnosed with diabetes. On Jan 9th and 10th won a fairly big tourny in Minn. I was pumped. I needed to get in shape and get this diabetes under control.
Jan I was 240 lbs. In May when I went to Vegas I was down to 205. Right now I'm 185 and just started a wieght program.
I have my life back and I have pool back. It don't get any better than that.
Anyway I was so lucky to stumble on to what I believe is the greatest pool site in the World AZ Billiards. We started the Perfect Aim in Phoenix thread and the rest was history. Soon the video was selling all over the country and overseas also. It was like a dream.
I continued my journey to Denver then Des Moines,Galvaston,Florida,Atlanta for a day,Maryland,US Open,Indianapolis,Chicago, and back to wisc.
I consider AZ Billiards the home of Perfect Aim. I am very thankful to the guys that run it and make it what it is. I don't know how they could make it any better. Theirs should be the blueprint for anyone starting a site like AZ.
Everyplace I have been if they havn't heard of AZ I let them know. I tell them if you never seen it you need to go there. You can learn whats going on all over the pool world.
I've been on the road for 8 long months. In and out of motels. It's not a real good time sometimes. But I have something to share with the pool world that everyone needs to know. Somehow I need to get this info to even more players everywhere because knowing this can help the game of pool everywhere just a little. If people are playing better then they will usually play more. That's what I am trying to do is help players play better.
Joey is a friend that I met on AZ. He watched this Perfect Aim thing from the start and knows my story from start to finish. I think we have a mutual respect for each other. He does one hell of a job in the announcers booth at the big tournaments and even let me talk with him during one of the matches with Nick Varner and Johnny Archer. That was great.
Joeys a class act that just thinks I'm getting picked on some time. But I know what really eats at him is he knows Perfect Aim inside and out and he knows what it is and how great it works. I know he understands what it can do for any players game. I was going to give him a lesson for free in Galvaston but he wanted to pay me anyway.
Joey or nobody else has to worry about the quit in me. Dec 2008 to Jan 2009 I was on my air barrel in real life. After finding out I was diabetic I figured anything else I did in this life was a bonus. Being able to play pool at a higher level again was beyond any expectations that I had.
When I win a tournament now if I disappear right away it is because a tear might be trying to leak out.
Our lives are all like movies. there are no reruns. What happens is going to happen but sometimes we can make things better by making some good decisions. Everyone take care of your health and do everything you can while you can. Because when you can't go anymore it's pretty tough.
I'm one of the lucky ones. I have a second chance and making the most of it. I'm not even asking for a spot.................
Thanks for listening
Hi there Brian,
I was very lucky that I started my Perfect Aim journey in Las Vegas and then to Phoenix. With my van broke down in Utah I bought a little Chevy Metro to get the rest of the way. Gave some lessons and won a tournament and then headed to Phoenix.
My friend Harry had a house that he was fixing to rent so I could stay there.
I had no idea how this would turn out but I knew Perfect Aim was the real deal.
After 98 personal lessons and the Desert Classic tour event we built a web site with testimonials to let everyone know how well it worked. The players in Phoenix are the greatest also. They care about their pool and were excited about learning something that would help their game immediately.
I only planned on staying for a couple of weeks but the word of mouth was spreading and I had to many lessons to give to leave.
I had been out of pool for about 10 years since 1999. I tried to play a little from 2007 on but was really struggleing with undiagnosed diabetes. This is why I quit in 99. I could hardly get to the tournaments.
In 2008 I moved back to Wisconsin. In dec I had a stroke. It was called a mini stroke. Just made me real stupid and clumsy for a month or so. Jan 3rd I was diagnosed with diabetes. On Jan 9th and 10th won a fairly big tourny in Minn. I was pumped. I needed to get in shape and get this diabetes under control.
Jan I was 240 lbs. In May when I went to Vegas I was down to 205. Right now I'm 185 and just started a wieght program.
I have my life back and I have pool back. It don't get any better than that.
Anyway I was so lucky to stumble on to what I believe is the greatest pool site in the World AZ Billiards. We started the Perfect Aim in Phoenix thread and the rest was history. Soon the video was selling all over the country and overseas also. It was like a dream.
I continued my journey to Denver then Des Moines,Galvaston,Florida,Atlanta for a day,Maryland,US Open,Indianapolis,Chicago, and back to wisc.
I consider AZ Billiards the home of Perfect Aim. I am very thankful to the guys that run it and make it what it is. I don't know how they could make it any better. Theirs should be the blueprint for anyone starting a site like AZ.
Everyplace I have been if they havn't heard of AZ I let them know. I tell them if you never seen it you need to go there. You can learn whats going on all over the pool world.
I've been on the road for 8 long months. In and out of motels. It's not a real good time sometimes. But I have something to share with the pool world that everyone needs to know. Somehow I need to get this info to even more players everywhere because knowing this can help the game of pool everywhere just a little. If people are playing better then they will usually play more. That's what I am trying to do is help players play better.
Joey is a friend that I met on AZ. He watched this Perfect Aim thing from the start and knows my story from start to finish. I think we have a mutual respect for each other. He does one hell of a job in the announcers booth at the big tournaments and even let me talk with him during one of the matches with Nick Varner and Johnny Archer. That was great.
Joeys a class act that just thinks I'm getting picked on some time. But I know what really eats at him is he knows Perfect Aim inside and out and he knows what it is and how great it works. I know he understands what it can do for any players game. I was going to give him a lesson for free in Galvaston but he wanted to pay me anyway.
Joey or nobody else has to worry about the quit in me. Dec 2008 to Jan 2009 I was on my air barrel in real life. After finding out I was diabetic I figured anything else I did in this life was a bonus. Being able to play pool at a higher level again was beyond any expectations that I had.
When I win a tournament now if I disappear right away it is because a tear might be trying to leak out.
Our lives are all like movies. there are no reruns. What happens is going to happen but sometimes we can make things better by making some good decisions. Everyone take care of your health and do everything you can while you can. Because when you can't go anymore it's pretty tough.
I'm one of the lucky ones. I have a second chance and making the most of it. I'm not even asking for a spot.................
Thanks for listening
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I sure did, also I own some for years, people bought it because they saw what it did with their own eyes, and how it worked
Can not give you percentages, as we had three location (booths) at the L.A. Fair, and I only worked one. But we had people coming back for more during the fair, or the next year for more, or for gifts for friends, and family, PLUS we had a MONEY BACK during the Fair, and 30 day after FULL REFUND.
Patrick,
I like Dave's links as well but not at the expense of him discounting what others have to say and that's what I read in his post. He insinuated that your post was the only useful post in the whole thread. I think everyone's post has value, even Cowboy's.
JoeyA
I'm going down the line as I read the posts brian and what I object to is the insinuation that Dave who knows lots of stuff, says that Patrick's post is the only post in the thread that makes any sense to him. That's tacky especially when Dave throws in his own self promotion (which I am all for providing he isn't throwing someone else under the bus). Just because you don't like Geno's great salesmanship, his message shouldn't be discounted. This is a thread about Perfect Aim, not Dave's website.
I post with lots of prejudices. I believe everyone has a right to their opinion, including Dave but when he discounts another poster's information and then throws up his information as Gospel, it doesn't sit well with me. The fact is that this thread is about Perfect Aim and I want to hear everything there is to be said about Perfect Aim and if Gene makes a million dollars on Perfect Aim, I couldn't be more happy for him. Unlike some people I don't begrudge another man making a good profit or I would have cursed Bill Gates a long time ago.
I personally don't care if you think my posts hurt my credibility. I don't know you and don't care what you think unless you can add to my ability to play better pool or if maybe you can add to the entertainment value I receive from the Main Forum.
So far you are running one E.....
No harm, no foul. Just sayin.
JoeyA
Thanks Woody. I appreciate the thoughts and will continue to share mine just like everyone else.
Geno has a special gift, not only for playing but for teaching as well and the guy can type. Oh yeah, he can sell like Dale Carnegie and what's not to like about that. Some people seem jealous about Gene's success and that's too bad. It saddens me to see some people begruding another man's time in the sun.
It's not often that a person of Geno's caliber comes to this forum and I love seeing his posts and love reading what he has to say, no matter what the content because you see, I KNOW that I can learn from someone like Geno.
Hope Geno lives another 30 years and keeps on giving and selling. :smile:
JoeyA
joeya you kill me. i enjoy hearing commenate matches on live streams and generally enjoy how you take a positive approach folks trying to get new things done in the pool world. that being said you long rant was completely out of place. from the rep i received for that post i am not the only person who believes this as well. i dont begruge gene making money. i do begruged him turning this forum into his personal sales zone. i think you tried to insult me there at the end of your post. truthfuly i dont really give a damn what you or anyone else thinks of me. but chastising dr dave who really does contribute to this forum and is not not afraid to share (rather than sell) his information was way out of line. also tell me what EXACTLY is it you think gene contributes to this forum (which i did not that you completely ignored in your response to me)? i mean really what? thats what i thought.
brian
Joey,
I look forward to meeting you too. Please PM or e-mail me your phone number so I can reach you when I'm in the Big Easy.
I thought the thread was about what people think about PERFECT AIM, which is related to sighting, dominant eye, and aiming. I have extensive summaries of what many people think about these topics on the FAQ pages I linked. The pages also contain many links to additional resources (from me and others) dealing with these topics. I thought some people might be interested in more background and information on these topics. The topics have certainly been debated extensively on this forum over the years.
Agreed.
However, you must admit that the early pages of this thread had very little meaningful discussion. It was mostly lots of personal attacks. My "useful" comment was directed at all of the childish posts, which have been plentiful. In the most recent pages of the thread, there seems to be more discussion of the pertinent topics, which I personally prefer.
I also respect Gene's level of play, and I appreciate that he now seems more willing to discuss some of his ideas. My "useful information" comment was not directed at Gene. I was just giving PJ props for providing information that I thought could help prompt some interesting discussion and debate ... and it seems like it has. Again, good job PJ!
I don't agree with you about having "negative input." In the past, I have often asked Gene to share some of his thoughts on sighting and aiming, and I have provided links to additional resources on these and related topics. Why do you think this is "negative?" I like Gene, and I hope he shares more of his specific ideas about sighting and aiming for open discussion in the future. (But I understand and accept why he can't disclose all of his "secrets" publicly. He needs to make a living. I appreciate that.)
I provide the links for people who want additional information on some of the pertinent topics. I have worked hard to compile these resources, which isn't just my stuff ... I quote and provide links to resources from many people and sources. I admit it ... I do want people to benefit from my hard work. But people who don't want the info don't have to click on the links.
Agreed. I also appreciate that Gene is here.
Again, my comment was directed at all of the personal-attack messages in the thread, which have been plentiful. It was not directed at Gene.
Joey, I also look forward to meeting you. You seem like an interesting and fun guy.
Regards,
Dave
Excellent comments!
We had a poll and a thread full of discussion on these topics recently. If people want to see the results of the poll, here it is:
It seems like many people think it doesn't really matter where you align your vision center as long as you are consistent for each type of shot (e.g., align along the cue for a straight center-ball hit [or for all shots], align along the CP-to-CP line [or with the inside eye along the inside edge of the CB] for thin cuts, etc.).
Agreed.
Agreed. I think this is the real value Gene (and other experienced instructors who have solid understanding of these topics) can provide with a private lesson.
Regards,
Dave
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Had to look proprioceptive up: "the sense of the orientation of one's limbs in space"
I think you should say "for me" rather than "IMO".
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I think you should review the literature on the subject before dismissing it's importance.
Searching proprioception + aiming in medline (or even google) will yield substantial information on the interaction of vision and proprioception in aiming tasks.
Had to look proprioceptive up: "the sense of the orientation of one's limbs in space"
I think you should say "for me" rather than "IMO".
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I think you should review the literature on the subject before dismissing it's importance.
Searching proprioception + aiming in medline (or even google) will yield substantial information on the interaction of vision and proprioception in aiming tasks.
I've ALWAYS given Dr. Dave plenty of credit for his work and contributions about pool.
You seem to think that Gene has nothing to offer this forum except a sales spiel. I think that it is up to each person to determine the value of what Gene has to say on this forum.
You aren't entitled to ask anything of me. I don't do people's bidding and listen to my own drummer. Right now I want to listen to what Gene has to say and don't appreciate anyone from discouraging him from posting. Maybe if you got over Gene's success, you might be able to find some "useful information" for yourself.
If Mike or Jerry thinks that Gene is over the top with posting about Perfect Aim, they can address that problem with Gene.
For others like yourself who obviously don't see anything of value in Gene's posts, just don't read them..........
Gene is one of AZ Billiards BEST PLAYERS and this forum suffers because of the lack of top players. I would like to see Gene stay here and continue to talk about whatever he chooses to talk about, especially when it is about pool.
I don't care if you or Dr. Dave or anyone else thinks his postings lack valuable information or not. Some of us enjoy Gene's posts and we hope that he continues posting.
I especially value top players' presence on this forum and am willing to accept them with their professional talent, idiosycracies and any other baggage they might carry to the forum as long as they obey the forum rules. I don't care if they come on the forum to sell their products, obtain sponsors, promote themselves or simply talk about their perspectives no matter how eccentric they might appear to you or anyone else.
So Brian, just so you know, I am not trying to insult you, I'm just sharing my point of view when it comes to top players on this forum.
Thanks,
JoeyA
I think you've made it clear that your comment about useful information wasn't directed at Gene. If that's the case, all is good in the Main Forum. I just read that comment in a different way. It's funny how some comments can be so easily misconstrued isn't it.
As to getting together with you during the holidays, I have it marked on my calendar and am looking forward to meeting you.
Just remember to bring some of your "Pool Secrets" with you that will help me with my pool game. :grin:
Best Regards and Happy Holidays to all,
JoeyA
Great job JoeyA. That's what this Forun is all about. Someone adds a bit of info and they get flamed....why? So what if someone is selling something! That something may be very useful.
Remember: That bit of info may not fit into your brain BUT I would bet someone out there will use it against you, very soon....SPF=randyg
Remember: That bit of info may not fit into your brain BUT I would bet someone out there will use it against you, very soon....SPF=randyg
I spent nearly 30 minutes on the phone with Geno last night. He is a super guy and I have gained a lot from his information.
It seems those that are bashing the threads concerning Perfect Aim are the ones that have not tried it or don't have any desire to try something new. That's fine, maybe it's not for you and I can only speak for myself, my game has been forever changed thanks to Geno.
Thanks for your help Geno. I have found great value and consider you to be one of the top contributors to the AZ forum, along with JoeyA, Dr. Dave and a few others. If you have not tried it, why knock it? I just don't get it.
Peace, Joe
It seems those that are bashing the threads concerning Perfect Aim are the ones that have not tried it or don't have any desire to try something new. That's fine, maybe it's not for you and I can only speak for myself, my game has been forever changed thanks to Geno.
Thanks for your help Geno. I have found great value and consider you to be one of the top contributors to the AZ forum, along with JoeyA, Dr. Dave and a few others. If you have not tried it, why knock it? I just don't get it.
Peace, Joe