Phillipino dominance?

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Fleece3

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Interesting conversation at the pool room tonight. Someone mentioned the "Phillipino dominance" of 9 ball. Upon hear this a man that I have NEVER heard more 10 words from said " the Phillipino dominance is a myth, look at the majors. A Phillipino has only won 2 US Opens, and 3 World championships. The US has one man that has won more US Opens and World's than all the Phillipines combined (I knew he was speaking of Earl) So where is this dominance that everyone speaks of?" Many tried to come up with other Phillipino winners but none could.

Was he correct?
 
I think Asian dominance is more accurate. Take away Earl, Johnny, and possibly Rodney, and we're dead in the water in any tournament fully represented by the Philipines and Taiwan.

Meanwhile, take away the top stars from both those countries (Reyes, Busta, Yang, Chao, Wu) and there are 20 more EACH that are threats to win. That's the difference, and the definition of dominance in this context.

-Roger
 
Fleece3 said:
Interesting conversation at the pool room tonight. Someone mentioned the "Phillipino dominance" of 9 ball. Upon hear this a man that I have NEVER heard more 10 words from said " the Phillipino dominance is a myth, look at the majors. A Phillipino has only won 2 US Opens, and 3 World championships. The US has one man that has won more US Opens and World's than all the Phillipines combined (I knew he was speaking of Earl) So where is this dominance that everyone speaks of?" Many tried to come up with other Phillipino winners but none could.

Was he correct?
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Since 1995 Efren, Parica and Busmante have won Player of The Year awards.
How major is the US Open now? Bustamante and Efren don't play in it if the Asian Games is in conflict with it's schedule.
There have been only three foreign-born US Open 9-ball winners ( Efren, Souquet and Pagulayan). LeBron's Puerto Rican, I dunno if you want count him as a foreigner.
Efren's really not dominating in 9-ball now. He's a 1 hole monster though.
 
buddha162 said:
I think Asian dominance is more accurate. Take away Earl, Johnny, and possibly Rodney, and we're dead in the water in any tournament fully represented by the Philipines and Taiwan.

Meanwhile, take away the top stars from both those countries (Reyes, Busta, Yang, Chao, Wu) and there are 20 more EACH that are threats to win. That's the difference, and the definition of dominance in this context.

-Roger
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This is sooo not true about the U.S. contingent of pool players. Corey, Gabe, Schmidt, and many others SVB speed and UP could beat and have beaten the best the world can offer. We have DOZENS of world beaters here, believe it! ........................ Marc
 
Playsome said:
This is sooo not true about the U.S. contingent of pool players. Corey, Gabe, Schmidt, and many others SVB speed and UP could beat and have beaten the best the world can offer. We have DOZENS of world beaters here, believe it! ........................ Marc
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I agree. If anything I think the players from the USA have become too careful. They shoot % not balls. Johnnyt
 
I think the dominance is in general pool discipline not 9-ball. 9-ball is Efren's weakest game. In fact, there are no "true-blue" Filipino 9-ball players except for Alex and Santos Sambajon.

Sometime ago someone posted an article about a 5-year comparative study of the Asian, European and American performance in major and "100+ strong-field" tournaments in the USA that tells a lot about the current state of pool (NOT last decades state of pool when strong international contigents weren't present). The author talked about Americans only winning 10% of the tournaments in their home soil. If I remember it correctly, 30% went to Europeans and 60% went to Asians with the biggest chunk by Filipinos follow by Taiwan. Also mentioning that most big money tournaments were won by Filipinos.

The truth of the matter is that, the rest of the world has caught up with and/or surpassed the Americans. This is probably the reason why Earl is so frustrated. The game that he easily dominates is now so hard to grasp.
 
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Playsome said:
This is sooo not true about the U.S. contingent of pool players. Corey, Gabe, Schmidt, and many others SVB speed and UP could beat and have beaten the best the world can offer. We have DOZENS of world beaters here, believe it! ........................ Marc
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Corey, Gabe, and Schmidt has not proven this in the world stage. In 2005 both reining US Open champ and the champ from 04 went to taiwan for the WPC; neither made it past the group stages. That is a travesty, and imo supports my suggestion that the US has very little to offer in terms of world class pool these days.

IIRC, Schmidt was offered a spot at the 06 WPC but opt not to attend.

-Roger
 
buddha162 said:
I think Asian dominance is more accurate. Take away Earl, Johnny, and possibly Rodney, and we're dead in the water in any tournament fully represented by the Philipines and Taiwan.

Meanwhile, take away the top stars from both those countries (Reyes, Busta, Yang, Chao, Wu) and there are 20 more EACH that are threats to win. That's the difference, and the definition of dominance in this context.

-Roger
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Very much agree with you.
 
Most of the field at the WPC would go broke on the road here in the USA...Also, it is laughable to think JSchmidt didn't go out of fear of the competition! .......................... Marc
 
Playsome said:
Most of the field at the WPC would go broke on the road here in the USA...
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Yeah, maybe the Scottish players, lol...but the Filipinos? The Taiwanese? See, the nice things about making this kind of statement is you can't prove or disprove it. Sure, I would like to believe that there are dozens of hidden world beaters in our backyard, but the evidence simply doesn't support that. Maybe the gambling's so good they're all undercover? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

However, we send players to the WPC every year and those results can be reviewed...and those results are pathetic.

Also, it is laughable to think JSchmidt didn't go out of fear of the competition! .......................... Marc
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No one suggested that.

-Roger
 
Btw, how much value does a US Open crown now have?
Would John Schmidt or Jeremy Jones play Orcollo for the cash?
 
JoeyInCali said:
Btw, how much value does a US Open crown now have?
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Very little on the world stage, imo.

Would John Schmidt or Jeremy Jones play Orcollo for the cash?
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Not if they like their money...

-Roger (brutal, but true, unfortunately)
 
Fleece3 said:
Interesting conversation at the pool room tonight. Someone mentioned the "Phillipino dominance" of 9 ball. Upon hear this a man that I have NEVER heard more 10 words from said " the Phillipino dominance is a myth, look at the majors. A Phillipino has only won 2 US Opens, and 3 World championships. The US has one man that has won more US Opens and World's than all the Phillipines combined (I knew he was speaking of Earl) So where is this dominance that everyone speaks of?" Many tried to come up with other Phillipino winners but none could.

Was he correct?
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I think you have been listening to the wrong person fleece. the best way to answer that question of dominance it to ask the pros themselves. since they are the ones who play the filipinos. I believe they will give you an honest answer regarding that matter. :)
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The World Cup of Pool aired 2 hours ago here, Bustamante and Reyes won and looked as if they could have easily beaten anyone in the world. Not to mention the tear Marlon Manalo has been on recently.

The Asian players may not be as prominant in the archives, but as far as current events go, they are dominant. In my view, this is not a myth.
 
not bad eh... 800 000$ for a 52? years old. LOL i think for the past 5 years, efren had the most money from playing pool..

but the sad part is efren still need to claim half of that 800K from IPT.




did you see the picture for the " the year's biggest story " ? it is like dream team of today's pool scene =/
 
buddha162 said:
Corey, Gabe, and Schmidt has not proven this in the world stage. In 2005 both reining US Open champ and the champ from 04 went to taiwan for the WPC; neither made it past the group stages. That is a travesty, and imo supports my suggestion that the US has very little to offer in terms of world class pool these days.

IIRC, Schmidt was offered a spot at the 06 WPC but opt not to attend.

-Roger
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And do not forget the recent 2006 WPC in Manila. Not even 1 American was able to get to the final 32 (?) of the tournament in our most dismal performance yet.
 
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