Pin Glue

billiardbum

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Wanted to get opinions on joint pin glue that you are using on cues? I have used many different glues and settled in with West Systems glue. Do you think it changes the hit of the cue depending on the glue you use?

Just wanting some input.

Happy Holidays
Jim
 
billiardbum said:
Wanted to get opinions on joint pin glue that you are using on cues? I have used many different glues and settled in with West Systems glue. Do you think it changes the hit of the cue depending on the glue you use?

Just wanting some input.

Happy Holidays
Jim
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I don't think adhesive will change the cues hit so long as it doesn't let loose. I also use epoxy for my pins, I don't think I would ever consider using anything else.
 
As far as gluing the pin in tightly, it really doesn't make a difference what epoxy you use as long as the machining is good and the pin is clean. However, since there is a possibility that at some time the owner of the cue might have to remove the pin for some reason, I always use a 5 minute epoxy for all my pins. It is easier to get it to break down with heat and allow removal of the pin. The 30 minute epoxy will require enough heat to lightly char the wood.
 
Paul Dayton said:
As far as gluing the pin in tightly, it really doesn't make a difference what epoxy you use as long as the machining is good and the pin is clean. However, since there is a possibility that at some time the owner of the cue might have to remove the pin for some reason, I always use a 5 minute epoxy for all my pins. It is easier to get it to break down with heat and allow removal of the pin. The 30 minute epoxy will require enough heat to lightly char the wood.
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I hear you there Paul.
I used to use the 24 hour epoxy for pins and have also used the west G-Flex
But as you say, need too much heat to get the pin out.
In some cases I have to drill and bore out the old pin. A real pain I tell ya.
 
conetip said:
I hear you there Paul.
I used to use the 24 hour epoxy for pins and have also used the west G-Flex
But as you say, need too much heat to get the pin out.
In some cases I have to drill and bore out the old pin. A real pain I tell ya.
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I've mentioned a number of times on this forum that the only thing I glue with G-5 is ferrules and pins. I feel neither needs a lot of strength in it's holding value to keep these items in place. If it should fail, in either case, it is a simple repair.

Dick
 
When I first started this cue making stuff, I used 5 minute epoxy for everything. Then I read several debates about how 5 minute doesn't belong in a cue shop. Well, I had to pull a few of those first pins I put in, and after almost giving myself a hernia and blisters holding onto the pliers, I decided 5 minute is just fine for pins. I made a sneaky a while back and was just trying something out, and I screwed up and put the pin in too tight without any glue at all, and its solid as a rock. Lol. Obviously, I wouldnt do that again, but it was just a plain sneaky anyways.

Joe
 
The problem with 5 Minute Epoxy is that it thickens up too much and can cause pressure inside the cue, which can even bust the side of the cue out when installing a pin. It is strong enough to hold a pin. I like it for ferrules, but prefer the Devcon 2 Ton Epoxy for joint pins. I use the West System 107/206 hardener mix for A-Joint pins as I like to completely fill that area up with glue and it is slow and thin enough to allow for that.
 
It's not what you use, but how good you do it.
I took apart a Gus that the pin was put in with Hide glue.
It had lasted just fine, but there was no slop in the installation.
Chris is spot on about viscosity. Don't know what McDermott use to use, but that is the hardest stuff to break down that I have ever seen. Most epoxies will break down with repeated heatings. Don't try to do it in one shot. Your nose is a good tool, you can smell the epoxy as it breaks down.
Probably not good for you, but it does give off an odor right before it releases.
 
billiardbum said:
Wanted to get opinions on joint pin glue that you are using on cues? I have used many different glues and settled in with West Systems glue. Do you think it changes the hit of the cue depending on the glue you use?

Just wanting some input.

Happy Holidays
Jim
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Hey Jim...

In answer to your second question, yes.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all
 
I don't believe that a pin, let alone the glue it is installed with can possibly affect the hit of a cue. Once the halves of a cue are tightly together at the joint faces, the function of the joint pin has expired.

If you think differently, then prove it. A subjective opinion is not proof.

Give a quantitative and qualitative analysis for proof.

do you believe in ghosts???? prove it...........


merry christmas

Kim
 
whammo57 said:
I don't believe that a pin, let alone the glue it is installed with can possibly affect the hit of a cue. Once the halves of a cue are tightly together at the joint faces, the function of the joint pin has expired.

If you think differently, then prove it. A subjective opinion is not proof.

Give a quantitative and qualitative analysis for proof.

do you believe in ghosts???? prove it...........


merry christmas

Kim
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Why would you need proof if you don't believe it ?
Hit with your newly pinned cue the day after you install the pin.
Then hit with it a day after that then a day after that and see if you can tell the difference after the epoxy has really hardened up.


3M DP460 or West 206 ( done right ) work for me.
 
I've just switched back to System3 5 minute epoxy. Was using the Devcon 5 minute but didn't like the last batch I bought. It stayed noticably soft even a day later before hardening fully. I use a scale to measure, so I know it was mixed properly. The System3 seems really strong and it cures very clear. I just used a bunch to build up a wrap groove that I cut a bit too deep.
I agree with Kim, I don't think it affects the hit any, if the pin was installed properly.
Dave
 
I don't want to get involved in a long discussion or debate about this. A question was asked. An answer was given. If the OP wants further clarification, he knows where to reach me.

At the expense of answering this any further, I would would like to say that some people may believe that once the halves of a cue are tightly together at the joint faces, the function of the joint pin has therefore expired. If you believe that, then you believe a 5/16-18 pin hits the same as a 3/8-11 pin which hits the same as a Uni-Loc pin which hits the same as a 7/16-11 G10 pin. And if you believe all that then you believe that West System, Cyano, G5, System Three, and other expoxies and glue all offer the same contact and resonance as each other.

Gentlemen, I am done. Feel free to beat the horse to death.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all.
 
Thanks

Thanks for all of your answers. I personally have had issues with 5 minute epoxies, so I choose not to use them.
 
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Joe Barringer said:
I don't want to get involved in a long discussion or debate about this. A question was asked. An answer was given. If the OP wants further clarification, he knows where to reach me.

At the expense of answering this any further, I would would like to say that some people may believe that once the halves of a cue are tightly together at the joint faces, the function of the joint pin has therefore expired. If you believe that, then you believe a 5/16-18 pin hits the same as a 3/8-11 pin which hits the same as a Uni-Loc pin which hits the same as a 7/16-11 G10 pin. And if you believe all that then you believe that West System, Cyano, G5, System Three, and other expoxies and glue all offer the same contact and resonance as each other.

Gentlemen, I am done. Feel free to beat the horse to death.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to all.
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ok Joe I hear what you're sayin so what glue do you like to use
 
Just my opinion Joe.... I respect that you have yours....

Merry Christmas

Kim

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whammo57 said:
I don't believe that a pin, let alone the glue it is installed with can possibly affect the hit of a cue. Once the halves of a cue are tightly together at the joint faces, the function of the joint pin has expired.

If you think differently, then prove it. A subjective opinion is not proof.

Give a quantitative and qualitative analysis for proof.
do you believe in ghosts???? prove it...........


merry christmas

Kim
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I am not educated enough to even understand what the bold statement above means let alone provide the proof. But I can tell you definitely 100% for certain that a 3/8-10 pin and a 5/16-18 or 5/16-14 hit differently. You might say it is only because of the brass insert. I can say for 100% sure that it is not just the insert as I have built 3/8-16 thread pins with brass inserts and they hit different than either 5/16 pin with insert. I build 5/16-14 pins with no insert and they play different than 3/8-10 pins with no insert.
If anyone builds cues who has played serious pool and has played with and tested the various pins in similar cues they built and thinks it makes no difference, I can only say I wish I would have drawn you in any pool tournament when I was in my prime. I play like garbage half the time now so that is why I say when I was in my prime.
 
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