Pivots Different for Same Side Cuts

[LAMas]

Lamas, CHOICES is improved wording over ADJUSTMENTS. Thx.
What it boils down to, though, is that there is really only one shot...Thanks, Mr. Hal Houle!
Stan Shuffett

I concur...one shot for a given cut angle and shape based on absorbing all of the "visuals", knowledge recalled and commiting to a decision on how to execute it even before one gets down on the shot....the fundamentals are the same and executed the same....one shot....offset and pivot left or right or not.

Thanks Stan. :smile:

 

[JE54]

pivots

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[cookie man]

The only choices are the reference lines. From there every shot is the same.

 

[champ2107]

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[cookie man]

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You love that delete button, lol.

 

[champ2107]

the deleted posts are out of frustration because of the cte mixing of systems and i am tired of correcting it, so i will just take my info off. he pm'ed me about it and i gave it to him there and others lose out on some good stuff though.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Champ...

Why do you get frustrated? There's nothing wrong with mixing cte, pro1, 90/90 or shishkebob. They're all close cousins and they ALL work.

I've learned to pivot from the left on every shot...is that bad to mention since you don't? Seems like if someone's technique isn't exactly what you do, you get angry. Weird.

Fyi...ALL offset/pivot systems are nearly the exact same thing..
Just taught differently. The references get you to the same apot.

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[champ2107]

Champ...

Why do you get frustrated? There's nothing wrong with mixing cte, pro1, 90/90 or shishkebob. They're all close cousins and they ALL work.
have i said any system does not work?

I've learned to pivot from the left on every shot...is that bad to mention since you don't? Seems like if someone's technique isn't exactly what you do, you get angry. Weird.

you use that mohrt 1/2 ball pivot system thats why you pivot from one side.

Fyi...ALL offset/pivot systems are nearly the exact same thing..
Just taught differently. The references get you to the same apot.
i disagree here, sorry if that bothers you

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ok, if you say its "all" the same shit, then it is :thumbup: but whats "weird" to me is the OP is asking about stans video and cte/pro1 and being specific and you pop in out of the blue and say "You can pivot from the same side on every shot" im just trying to help out the new guys and not confuse them.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

ok, if you say its "all" the same shit, then it is :thumbup: but whats "weird" to me is the OP is asking about stans video and cte/pro1 and being specific and you pop in out of the blue and say "You can pivot from the same side on every shot"

You can. Stan changed my life with that info. You can only teach SO much on a dvd. There's more to the pie than one slice. I'll explain more when I get back from Aruba...I'm getting screamed at for azb'ing at the dinner table.

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[champ2107]

You can. Stan changed my life with that info. You can only teach SO much on a dvd. There's more to the pie than your slice. I'll explain more when I get back from Aruba...I'm getting screamed at for azb'ing at the dinner table.

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i know that and i keep info off here that i have learned because i think it will confuse the new guys.

i think you have to keep it very basic for them because they are all in a hurry to learn and then get frustrated.

 

[cookie man]

ok, if you say its "all" the same shit, then it is :thumbup: but whats "weird" to me is the OP is asking about stans video and cte/pro1 and being specific and you pop in out of the blue and say "You can pivot from the same side on every shot"

But you can pivot from the same side on every shot, that is what pro one is about. Even the half ball pivot can be done from the same side or from different sides. I feel half ball pivots should be done from both sides, but that's me and a matter of preference. Pro 1 should be done from the same side.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

i know that and i keep info off here that i have learned because i think it will confuse the new guys.

i think you have to keep it very basic for them because they are all in a hurry to learn and then get frustrated.

Very true. That's why I don't post much... I assume everyone sees what I see. I study each method carefully.


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[cookie man]

You can. Stan changed my life with that info. You can only teach SO much on a dvd. There's more to the pie than one slice. I'll explain more when I get back from Aruba...I'm getting screamed at for azb'ing at the dinner table.

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Aruba you bum. That's ok I just finished some sweet and sour soup.

 

[champ2107]

Very true. That's why I don't post much... I assume everyone sees what I see. I study each method carefully.


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The different pivots are necessary to access all of the cut angles within the chosen range.

For instance, on a cut to the right, you will use the A or C alignments and left pivots for straight or nearly straight shots, then right pivots for the rest of the range up until you need a B. The transition happens around 14 degrees, which is when the cut is a 3/4 ball cut.

As you move to B, there are a few degrees of shots that might go with a B alignment and the opposite (left in this case) pivot instead of the A and normal (right) pivot. For me at least, this transition area is very small, and I almost don't even worry about it. Then every other shot in the B range will be a standard (right in this case) pivot.

Same thing happens as you progress to 1/8, a few degrees of transition then everything will be the same side pivot.

Scott

so if i correct this, i will have no internet forum friends lol, so i will leave this alone then :thumbup:

 

[zombie93]

so if i correct this, i will have no internet forum friends lol, so i will leave this alone then :thumbup:

Any information is good, a lot of us new guys are looking to fill a small hole in our game that seems to be a mile wide at times. A word, phrase, or an example can all produce AHA! moments. :smile:

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Although there are a few techniques (for manual pivots) to pivoting from the same side, here's a few:

* As a right hander, right-to-left pivots aren't as comfy as left-to-right pivots. If you think you need a right to left pivot, pivot beyond center to the starting position of the left to right pivot. Pay close attention to the angle of attack of your cue and slide into the CB with that same angle of attack (for right to left pivot shots) and "back pivot" back to center -- if that makes sense.

* What I do is I keep an angle of attack into the CB that's about 10:00 in your field of vision. You almost can't have too much cue angle into the face of the CB, but you CAN under-do-it and not have enough (i.e. perpendicular cue into the face of the CB). You must have a highly angled cue into the CB face. I do this for all shots.

* When I play with a Pro1 air pivot, I pin my back hand to my right hip with my cue going across my chest. I simply bring the tip the center ball. The pinned right hand creates an offset orientation of your cue and all you have to do is "get to center ball."

I think if people really study coming in from the same side, their game will advance quickly and there's a lot less to remember. Just my humble opinion.

 

[champ2107]

Any information is good, a lot of us new guys are looking to fill a small hole in our game that seems to be a mile wide at times. A word, phrase, or an example can all produce AHA! moments. :smile:

i know what your saying and i can relate to all you guys because i had to figure out cte/pro1 with no help and i tried everything to get it to work! the discussions used to be naysayers against pro cte guys, now i think we are at the point where we need the discussions to be between cte users to go further. I don't think people are ready for that yet, i have tried and i not in the mood lately to go into battle mode on here. I would like to explore spiders post further with him but i think he may take it the wrong way and i like spider so i will keep quiet

 

[SpiderWebComm]

i know what your saying and i can relate to all you guys because i had to figure out cte/pro1 with no help and i tried everything to get it to work! the discussions used to be naysayers against pro cte guys, now i think we are at the point where we need the discussions to be between cte users to go further. I don't think people are ready for that yet, i have tried and i not in the mood lately to go into battle mode on here. I would like to explore spiders post further with him but i think he may take it the wrong way and i like spider so i will keep quiet

I never take it the wrong way - you're my boy. Speak your mind -- just remember though there are a number of different methods that work well. Keep an open mind first and foremost.

 

[champ2107]

I have never cared what system people use and all I have done was show the differences between the systems. People seem to get offended if I do not consider all cte, ete systems identical. I have also never said my way is the only way. I have just tried to show the differences in the systems. I am not as knowledgeable as spider on these systems, but I do know how they all work from experience. I also do believe I have always had an open mind from the very beginning when I even said there is feel in the systems a couple of years ago and always tried to speak the truth...I'm just saying.