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Patrick Johnson

Patrick Johnson

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Patrick Johnson said:
The definition is actually a point everybody can see (not "visualize", but see with their actual eyes).

And there's still the subjective task of hitting it with the corresponding point on the CB, which nobody can see (but which can be estimated to a workable degree of accuracy after much practice).

These are some of the obvious reasons aiming can never be fully "objective".

pj
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BilliardsAbout said:
Yes, a point that is real/objective not imagined or conjured/subjective. Such a point exists on both the cb and the ob, although the cb is a pure white color and it is hard to find the cb contact point. Yes.
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I appreciate your agreement, but to clarify:

Whether or not a point on a ball can be geometrically defined has nothing to do with whether or not it can be objectively seen - if it isn't visibly marked somehow its location must be estimated.

The CB contact point is on the other side of the ball, so it can't be seen at all.

pj
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BilliardsAbout

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Patrick Johnson said:
I appreciate your agreement, but to clarify:

Whether or not a point on a ball can be geometrically defined has nothing to do with whether or not it can be objectively seen - if it isn't visibly marked somehow its location must be estimated.

The CB contact point is on the other side of the ball, so it can't be seen at all.

pj
chgo
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You are correct, certainly.

The concept I had in mind--you can shine a laser pointer at cb contact point and objective points, but not at "it's about a half-ball hit" or "just shoot at the ob's edge".
 
BC21

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Patrick Johnson said:
I appreciate your agreement, but to clarify:

Whether or not a point on a ball can be geometrically defined has nothing to do with whether or not it can be objectively seen - if it isn't visibly marked somehow its location must be estimated.

The CB contact point is on the other side of the ball, so it can't be seen at all.

pj
chgo
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Exactly. Without an obvious marking on the ball, we rely on our individual experience with visual estimations.
We go by what "looks right", which is truly subjective. Becoming great at doing this doesn't magically transform the process into an objective method. It may seem or feel objective, but let a newby try it and it becomes quite obvious that it's subjective.
 
mista335

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swest said:
I haven't logged in to the forums in quite a while. In truth, it just wasn't that interesting any more.

Anyway, this was the first thread that caught my eye. I can hardly wait to find out what sort of drivel the CTE contingent is currently spouting. Although, now I have hope that PJ will be right in there, just like old times, defending Reason and Logic from the mindless barbarians.
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You seem to go pretty well in your CTE video of a couple of years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmDntlSXhk

"27 ball (dang that last shot) run calling out CTE PRO ONE visuals and rotation for each shot, thus proving, once and for all, that CTE PRO ONE is a valid aiming system."

Why is CTE now drivel?
 
Dan White

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mista335 said:
You seem to go pretty well in your CTE video of a couple of years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmDntlSXhk

"27 ball (dang that last shot) run calling out CTE PRO ONE visuals and rotation for each shot, thus proving, once and for all, that CTE PRO ONE is a valid aiming system."

Why is CTE now drivel?
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If you bothered to scroll down and read his comments about the video you'd understand. Your post is making his point.
 
cookie man

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Dan White said:
That's a loaded question that I don't care to entertain. You're good at getting threads deleted so I'll leave it at that.
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Just useless baiting pot stirring threads.
It's not a loaded question. Very easy answer. Not one ball goes center pocket.
 
JoeyInCali

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Low500 said:
Mr. Cookie,
1. I watched that video and it looked like the balls were hitting dead center into the holes to me.
What am I missing? (I can't be that unobservant, can I?)
and
2. I watched Bustamante the other night at my son's place and he has some app. that will put all that stuff on super slow motion. I don't know if Bustamante is doing center to edge, center to side, center to east or west, edge to edge, or edge to center, or anyplace else...but anybody who says he's not using some kind of pivoting aiming method is either blind or hasn't watched close enough.
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1. 1:43 was off the rail and looked like a miss .https://youtu.be/OpmDntlSXhk?t=99 I don't know how you missed it.
2.Busti does not use a pivoting "system". He has a habit of practice stroking on the left side of the cue ball.
He also uses TOO a lot as he explained it on TAR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y2qoCtdiak&list=HL1366909338&feature=mh_lolz

No pivot.https://youtu.be/6Y2qoCtdiak?t=2789 Just a ton of left.

He shows he aims at the center of the ghost ball or stroking line .
 
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BC21

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JoeyInCali said:
1. 1:43 was off the rail and looked like a miss .https://youtu.be/OpmDntlSXhk?t=99 I don't know how you missed it.
2.Busti does not use a pivoting "system". He has a habit of practice stroking on the left side of the cue ball.
He also uses TOO a lot as he explained it on TAR.
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Once again, BINGO! Your posts are typically spot on, no BS. :thumbup:
 
Dan White

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Low500 said:
Mister CookieMan...
Ignore those no shooting 'experts' who will "argue with an empty school bus"....facts are still facts.
Remember...the human mind is just like a parachute. It only works well when it's open.
Selah.
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... says the guy "who can't make a ball" in his signature line. :confused:
 
cookie man

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JoeyInCali said:
Huh! Well, if you bridge with your left hand, I guess it's pivoting when you bring your bridge hand down to the table.
Lord.
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Huh right back. Not sure what you are getting at with this sentence.
I would not expect to see Busti's familiar style of lining up low left and coming into center on his last stroke when using outside. He would just line up outside and use outside like he did on the shot you posted.
 
JoeyInCali

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cookie man said:
Huh right back. Not sure what you are getting at with this sentence.
I would not expect to see Busti's familiar style of lining up low left and coming into center on his last stroke when using outside. He would just line up outside and use outside like he did on the shot you posted.
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If you're right handed and you air stroke to your left where your bridge hand is then go down center of the stroking line, that is pivoting.
Is that a pivoting aiming system too?


Should I even post videos of Busti aiming dead center of the cb and practice stroking there ?
Stroking to the left of the cb is just a habit . As he puts it " I used to it " during the TAR interview .
You sure like to think it's an aiming system.
Even if Busti is on video showing where he aims .
And his tip is waaay outside of the cb when he practice strokes ?
Why?
Why does he aim low then COME up in the middle on the last stroke ?
Is than an aiming system too ?
https://youtu.be/n3nY89tBQyg?t=3312
He sure does not pivot there .
Then he shows half a tip to the left according to Johnny when he practice stroke.
https://youtu.be/n3nY89tBQyg?t=3408
Dude, it's just a habit . Not an aiming system.
Look at his elbow. It's tucked in then on the last stroke, it goes out.
Good luck in emulating that .
 
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cookie man

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JoeyInCali said:
If you're right handed and you air stroke to your left where your bridge hand is then go down center of the stroking line, that is pivoting.
Is that a pivoting aiming system too?


Should I even post videos of Busti aiming dead center of the cb and practice stroking there ?
Stroking to the left of the cb is just a habit . As he puts it " I used to it " during the TAR interview .
You sure like to think it's an aiming system.
Even if Busti is on video showing where he aims .
And his tip is waaay outside of the cb when he practice strokes ?
Why?
Why does he aim low then COME up in the middle on the last stroke ?
Is than an aiming system too ?
https://youtu.be/n3nY89tBQyg?t=3312
He sure does not pivot there .
Then he shows half a tip to the left according to Johnny when he practice stroke.
https://youtu.be/n3nY89tBQyg?t=3408
Dude, it's just a habit . Not an aiming system.
Look at his elbow. It's tucked in then on the last stroke, it goes out.
Good luck in emulating that .
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I never said anything about an aiming system. I only said he pivots. It's obvious that he does pivot. Why is it so hard to admit he pivots?
 
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