player says to calcutta bidder he will lay down

I think

markpatrick said:
I have been going to pool tournaments staking players and buying players in the calcutta and have never had this issue come up.

As pointed out above. I kind of like having a chance to win ALL the cash. Just to be point of fact, I do not buy many players that do not cash.
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If I could afford the risk, I would have told him, in a loud tone that everyone could hear," What? you're gonna dump if I buy you? Well, it's your loss too." And then bid on him again. I've heard of guys doing this, or not buying half and saying they will dump if you don't offer to pay them part anyways. If I was running the tourney and found out, they'd be barred from my events.
 
Player in New York

Saying no names this player used to say to the bidder, you buy me and I'm dumping. All from New York no who Im referring tooooooo:confused:
 
With rooms adding money and having a harder time getting people to show, I would expect nothing less than that bumb thrown out. You have someone showing up to do nothing other than watch and spend money and a player treats them like that.

When someone buys me, I try harder to cash. Wasting my money is one thing, I hate losing other peoples money. A couple years ago, I think, a thread was here about a pro skipping his match to go golfing. He got banned from playing the tour until he gave the calcutta money back to the guy that bought him.
 
COREYGT1977 said:
I brought someone to the first pool tournament he has ever been to. this guy all excited about bidding on players.. He buys his first player no problem. then starts bidding on the second player he wants to buy, bidding back and forth then this player tells him if he buys him he will lay down and lose just to screw him!!! so he stops bidding. lets just say he will never be a spectator again... It kills me to know that a good player with a valid chance to win would do something like that.. I think its very out of line.....
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LOL! :rotflmao:


Welcome to pool friend of COREYGT1977



Can't think of a better first lesson & experience.
 
mikeyfrost said:
If you aren't taking someone in a blind bid, it's a good idea to do a little homework before bidding on them. You'll find some players will threaten you with that type of line at which point its not worth the hassle.
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Exactly -- Can't tell your players without a scorecard.

It is like betting on the ponies -- gotta do some homework first. If you just picking colors, good luck. If you like to bet 'smart' you need to know the jockies, trainers, owners, horses, handlers, feed regimines, work out schedules, who's 'specially' training their horses, how they start/finish/close/lead, how they run in the sun/clouds/rain/snow/mud/muck/slop, etc.

Pool players aren't much different. Who's playing on the square, who's self-medicating with (insert your pick here), who didn't bring their cue, who did, who's in cahoots with whom, which local conglomerate is buying most of the field with who's money, etc.

Way more complicated than I care to get interested in.

Some like it and it does provide some entertainment value.

JMO
 
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deadstroke7 said:
Exactly -- Can't tell your players without a scorecard.

It is like betting on the ponies -- gotta do some homework first. If you just picking colors, good luck. If you like to bet 'smart' you need to know the jockies, trainers, owners, horses, handlers, feed regimines, work out schedules, who's 'specially' training their horses, how they start/finish/close/lead, how they run in the sun/clouds/rain/snow/mud/muck/slop, etc.

Pool players aren't much different. Who's playing on the square, who's self-medicating with (insert your pick here), who didn't bring their cue, who did, who's in cahoots with whom, which local conglomerate is buying most of the field with who's money, etc.

Way more complicated than I care to get interested in.

Some like it and it does provide some entertainment value.

JMO
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You touch on a good number of issues related to this subject. That's the tip of the iceberg.


If you don't know what you're doing, stay away. Sounds like common sense, but it's not. There's always people out there begging to lose their money. Hey, it's a (mostly) free country. Someone has to feed the scammers. :grin-square:
 
deadstroke7 said:
Exactly -- Can't tell your players without a scorecard.

It is like betting on the ponies -- gotta do some homework first. If you just picking colors, good luck. If you like to bet 'smart' you need to know the jockies, trainers, owners, horses, handlers, feed regimines, work out schedules, who's 'specially' training their horses, how they start/finish/close/lead, how they run in the sun/clouds/rain/snow/mud/muck/slop, etc.

Pool players aren't much different. Who's playing on the square, who's self-medicating with (insert your pick here), who didn't bring their cue, who did, who's in cahoots with whom, which local conglomerate is buying most of the field with who's money, etc.

Way more complicated than I care to get interested in.

Some like it and it does provide some entertainment value.

JMO
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I think you're missing the point a little.

What if the owner, trainer or jockey stood at the betting station and threatened every bettor just so he could place on his horse with maximum odds? It's criminal, plain and simple. It's using fear and intimidation to sway the market value.

If it is done on Wall Street, an Iraq Election, or the pool room, it is still all the same. Dirty and criminal.

This type of player behavior should be discouraged and regulated by the TD as best as possible. I would throw any player who did this in my tournament out and not refund his entry.
 
Anyone who's been around tournaments and Calcuttas for a while knows that this is always a possibility when bidding on players. I've had it happen to me, and seen it done a number of times. You get smart about it and learn who is good to bid on, due to their integrity, and who not to bid on due to a lack of morals.

However, and this really sucks in this situation, the person bidding was a first timer. Now, instead of getting into the sport by sweating a "horse" during tournament play, that person is entirely turned off by those who are too selfish to think about the larger picture. Just yet another small example of how pool players continually shoot themselves, and this industry in the foot by never thinking about the ramifications of their actions and looking only at the immediate, short term profit, which is sizably smaller than the long term. Stupid.

Josh

edit: To those who think that calcuttas should go away and be banned, I disagree. Calcuttas, when run correctly and with integrity by all parties involved, add a very much worthwhile flavor to a tournament for the spectators and those players who were knocked out of the tournament. I've seen far more well run and honest calcuttas than not, so to take a minority of incidents at Calcuttas and condemn the entire practice, IMHO, is very shortsighted.
 
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SUPERSTAR said:
Calcuttas should be wiped off the face of the pool universe.
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If calcutta were wiped out you would be left with APA tournaments as most decent players go because the calcutta is where the money is. I was at a tournament over teh weekend where there was $14000 in the first calcutta and about $3500 in the second. There were no problems with anyone bidding and the higher the price got the more pumped up people were. For those who dont like them, dont go or dont buy back. One player I bought didnt buy back and I could have cared less, the last paid spot was $500 which would have been 5 to 1 on what I spent or even better 1st was $4300.
 
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Maybe he should have said if you don't win this tournament, I'm gonna cut your ***s off! :eek:

Fight fire with fire!
 
cal-cut-up

COREYGT1977 said:
I brought someone to the first pool tournament he has ever been to. this guy all excited about bidding on players.. He buys his first player no problem. then starts bidding on the second player he wants to buy, bidding back and forth then this player tells him if he buys him he will lay down and lose just to screw him!!! so he stops bidding. lets just say he will never be a spectator again... It kills me to know that a good player with a valid chance to win would do something like that.. I think its very out of line.....
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Your friend hopefully learned something about gambling.

So what is the rest of the story? Did some1 buy that player? Did the player cash? Was this brought to the attention of the TD or room owner?
 
How good do you play?

Jason Robichaud said:
With rooms adding money and having a harder time getting people to show, I would expect nothing less than that bumb thrown out. You have someone showing up to do nothing other than watch and spend money and a player treats them like that.

When someone buys me, I try harder to cash. Wasting my money is one thing, I hate losing other peoples money. A couple years ago, I think, a thread was here about a pro skipping his match to go golfing. He got banned from playing the tour until he gave the calcutta money back to the guy that bought him.
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Will have to keep an eye out for you at Olathe this Summer??

Never been to a Pro event where they had a player auction?? Was it a sanctioned event?
 
bigshooter said:
I would have bought him anyway and told him to go ahead and lay down.
Is he really going to screw himself out of the tourney money to burn me on the calcutta? If he does he is only hurting himself.

Either way I win, if he gets in the money I make money, if he lays down I get to tell him it was worth every dime to watch him waste his entry and time.
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I'm too cheap to do that but I like the idea.
 
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COREYGT1977 said:
I brought someone to the first pool tournament he has ever been to. this guy all excited about bidding on players.. He buys his first player no problem. then starts bidding on the second player he wants to buy, bidding back and forth then this player tells him if he buys him he will lay down and lose just to screw him!!! so he stops bidding. lets just say he will never be a spectator again... It kills me to know that a good player with a valid chance to win would do something like that.. I think its very out of line.....
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What was the end result? With this particular player.:cool::cool:
 
here is how you solve this problem you let him buy himself...you follow him around each match and sit there and watch him...before match starts you tell the guy he is playing if he beats him you will give him a 20 bill...you get everyone he is playing on your side...makes him look like an a$$...and if he wins the tourny o well... what comes around goes around...
 
I had a player do that to me once. I went ahead and bought him and he dumped. After that I bought him every week he came to the tourney to prove a point. He finally quit coming. I still buy him if I see him at other tourneys now.
 
The problem is

Dagwoodz said:
Anyone who's been around tournaments and Calcuttas for a while knows that this is always a possibility when bidding on players. I've had it happen to me, and seen it done a number of times. You get smart about it and learn who is good to bid on, due to their integrity, and who not to bid on due to a lack of morals.

However, and this really sucks in this situation, the person bidding was a first timer. Now, instead of getting into the sport by sweating a "horse" during tournament play, that person is entirely turned off by those who are too selfish to think about the larger picture. Just yet another small example of how pool players continually shoot themselves, and this industry in the foot by never thinking about the ramifications of their actions and looking only at the immediate, short term profit, which is sizably smaller than the long term. Stupid.

Josh

edit: To those who think that calcuttas should go away and be banned, I disagree. Calcuttas, when run correctly and with integrity by all parties involved, add a very much worthwhile flavor to a tournament for the spectators and those players who were knocked out of the tournament. I've seen far more well run and honest calcuttas than not, so to take a minority of incidents at Calcuttas and condemn the entire practice, IMHO, is very shortsighted.
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If everyone stops bidding on this guy, simply because he says that, He will be buying himself for 10 or $20 in the calcutta, while other decent players will be selling for $100. The tourney director needs told, and the guy barred from participating in the calcutta part. Let him pay his entry and play for that. If he wins the tourney, the guy in 2nd get first place calcutta money. Make him suffer for his criminal behaviour.
 
Nice move

OUSooner said:
I had a player do that to me once. I went ahead and bought him and he dumped. After that I bought him every week he came to the tourney to prove a point. He finally quit coming. I still buy him if I see him at other tourneys now.
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Serves him right. Make them pay for that crap.
 
satman said:
If everyone stops bidding on this guy, simply because he says that, He will be buying himself for 10 or $20 in the calcutta, while other decent players will be selling for $100. The tourney director needs told, and the guy barred from participating in the calcutta part. Let him pay his entry and play for that. If he wins the tourney, the guy in 2nd get first place calcutta money. Make him suffer for his criminal behaviour.
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I have a potential solution, but I haven't thought it out completely. Critique at will, please.

Why not have players only be able to make a blind bid on themselves? Wouldn't this not solve this situation, or a least help it out? Maybe a bad idea. What do you think?
 
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