Playing the 9ball ghost 9' table

Perk

Perk

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Just wondering if Open players from your area are beating the ghost regularly? I am using the term Open as for any players that would be able to go to a ranked type tourney that has classifications of open/master/grand master etc. I would think that the Master players beat the ghost pretty easily, but are open players beating the ghost?

Are you beating the ghost?
 
I would think that an Open player would beat the 9 ball ghost on a 9' table with some consistency.

God knows Im not quiiiite there yet. :-( I still need the 7 (or 8 depending on how im shooting) to beat the ghost regularly on a 9footer. :mad::mad:

Now on a 7ft diamond the 9ball ghost is my little beyotch :-D
 
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Perk said:
Just wondering if Open players from your area are beating the ghost regularly? I am using the term Open as for any players that would be able to go to a ranked type tourney that has classifications of open/master/grand master etc. I would think that the Master players beat the ghost pretty easily, but are open players beating the ghost?

Are you beating the ghost?
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The 9 ball ghost on the big table is some kind of a challenge. I can beat the ghost left or right handed on the bar table. The big table is a different story. I get robbed :)

Personally, I think if you can beat the ghost on a tight 9ft, you need to start traveling some. I've only see pros beat the ghost on the big table. I'm sure there is some A player out there beating the ghost on the 9ft but I don't know them :)

matta
 
I think you guys are making it out harder than it is. There are many factors involved. For one, on my own table that i practice on (which is a tight 9ft GCIII,) i can beat the ghost practically every game, but that's only because it's my own table, and i know the speed perfectly. As soon as i play on another table, things change dramatically. So you said "if you are beating it regularly" well, under which conditions are you referring.

Also, you don't have to be anywhere near open speed to beat the ghost regularly on a 9ft table. I would think a pretty decent B player would win most races against the ghost to 7 or 9. An open player would beat it 90% of the games, not races. I have beaten the ghost 15 games in a row but that is on my own table. and I'm a B player at best.
 
themack said:
I think you guys are making it out harder than it is. There are many factors involved. For one, on my own table that i practice on (which is a tight 9ft GCIII,) i can beat the ghost practically every game, but that's only because it's my own table, and i know the speed perfectly. As soon as i play on another table, things change dramatically. So you said "if you are beating it regularly" well, under which conditions are you referring.

Also, you don't have to be anywhere near open speed to beat the ghost regularly on a 9ft table. I would think a pretty decent B player would win most races against the ghost to 7 or 9. An open player would beat it 90% of the games, not races. I have beaten the ghost 15 games in a row but that is on my own table. and I'm a B player at best.
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I guess I'm referring to a tight big table. Honestly, I could probably beat it on a slop pocket 9ft. I have a double shimmed Brunswick in the shop.

You can come play it on my table. I'll take the ghost for a hundred a set. :)

The pros aren't playing on slop tables. Those tables are tight. I couldn't imagine any B player beating the ghost on a tournament table.

matta
 
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matta said:
The 9 ball ghost on the big table is some kind of a challenge. I can beat the ghost left or right handed on the bar table. The big table is a different story. I get robbed :)

Personally, I think if you can beat the ghost on a tight 9ft, you need to start traveling some. I've only see pros beat the ghost on the big table. I'm sure there is some A player out there beating the ghost on the 9ft but I don't know them :)

matta
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That is how I see it. I used to beat the ghost 3 or 4 games in a row on my first 9 footer with regularity and then I upgraded to a Diamond and its a way different challenge. I have beat the ghost 3 or 4 games in a row before on the Diamond but now if I have a day like that I go out and buy a lottery ticket. Away from my table I shoot much better now then I did 2 years ago because of the tight pockets I practice on but it only takes one mistake on position to blow your run.
 
An Apparition!!

themack said:
I think you guys are making it out harder than it is. There are many factors involved. For one, on my own table that i practice on (which is a tight 9ft GCIII,) i can beat the ghost practically every game, but that's only because it's my own table, and i know the speed perfectly. As soon as i play on another table, things change dramatically. So you said "if you are beating it regularly" well, under which conditions are you referring.

Also, you don't have to be anywhere near open speed to beat the ghost regularly on a 9ft table. I would think a pretty decent B player would win most races against the ghost to 7 or 9. An open player would beat it 90% of the games, not races. I have beaten the ghost 15 games in a row but that is on my own table. and I'm a B player at best.
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I think you must have played an apparition and not the authenic ghost. In far west Texas, he is one tough SOB.....NO SMACK, JUST A FACT!!!:thumbup: If you are puttin' 15 packs together I'm listing you on another thread also, "Unknown Monsters".
 
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I also do not know may players who can put 15 packs together playing the ghost.

From what I have seen in the northeast and my own progression, you need to be solid A speed to beat the ghost more than half the time.

B players are probably a good match for th 6 ball ghost.

Open level players here are pushing the 10 ball ghost limit, but will consistently rob the 9 ball ghost.

I think people confuse "beat the ghost". Beating the ghost is not just doing it for one set. In my book, you must be a favorite to beat the ghost consistently to consider yourself a winner. I like to say, "Would you bet 100 a set for 10 sets playing the x ball ghost". I think a B player could beat the ghost a few times but never be a favorite.

I do not know how this applies to Open/Master/Grand Master. I do not know these classifications.

This is also the ghost with ball in hand after the break.
 
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So if Open players are beating the ghost, then Master players run all over him?

I guess it seems to me that if your beating the ghost that you should be a Master player classification or higher, not in the Open.
 
Against most A level players, I dont like the ghost's end of it on 4.5-5" pockets. Under 4.5" pockets and things start to change. I have seen a few tight diamonds that I thought would stick up most A level players. A few other variables would be if the table is really wet or if its a gaffe table with unusual quirks.
 
it's all dependent on the table and cloth....there is a triple shimmed table in corpus that only one man has gone in and broke even playing the 9 ball ghost...but that was years ago...don't know if the guy who owns the table is backing the ghost anymore
 
when you play the ghost, does it have to be strictly a runout? what if you have a lock-up safety you can play that would pretty much guarantee you get back in hand if you played the safety against your opponent.

obviously anyone can do whatever they like, but i'm curious what the consensus is?
 
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when you play the ghost, does it have to be strictly a runout? what if you have a lock-up safety you can play that would pretty much guarantee you get back in hand if you played the safety against your opponent.

obviously anyone can do whatever they like, but i'm curious what the consensus is?
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from what i understand is that any miss is considered a loss because you have to assume the ghost is going to get out...please correct me if i am wrong
 
themack said:
For one, on my own table that i practice on (which is a tight 9ft GCIII,) i can beat the ghost practically every game, but that's only because it's my own table, and i know the speed perfectly. .
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Earl, I thought your table was a 10ft?

:D

themack, if you are beating the ghost practically every game (4 out of 5) on a tight 9 footer, you really should go on the road and make yourself rich. SVB, Archer, the Keith of old, and any of the top players.....if they wanted to bet me they could beat the ghost 40 out of 50 games on a tight 9 footer (GC with tightly shimmed pockets), I'd have to think long and hard before turning down that bet.....hell, you scratch 3 times, you only got 7 games to lose....even the rare cluster or tough transition every now and again......that is good shooting...
 
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from what i understand is that any miss is considered a loss because you have to assume the ghost is going to get out...please correct me if i am wrong
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Yepper, you run out every time, and you cannot scratch on the break.....the ghost is a compilation of the greatest pool players that ever lived....he can kick 8 rails and pocket the ball every time :D
 
The way I have seen the ghost is that you can scratch on the break. It doesnt matter, you get ball in hand after the break.

No B level player beats the ghost(all the time) especially on tough equipment.
I would say that if the game was races to nine on a good table with 4.5 inch pockets that

AA-AAA player wins 8/9 out of ten (way more likely to win than not to)
A player wins 6/7 out of ten races (maybe 7/8 depending on the table)
B player wins 3/4 out of ten
C player is still there looking for thier first victory.

Obviously there are always some variable but I have seen A players lose to the ghost more than a few times on tight equipment. There are also players within each level that run out better than others and some that play the game with more safes not running out as much.
 
The ghost is a new one on me. How do you play it? Because this wiil be new to me i will report back how i do.
 
Perk said:
So if Open players are beating the ghost, then Master players run all over him?

I guess it seems to me that if your beating the ghost that you should be a Master player classification or higher, not in the Open.
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Perk, I think there is a classification problem here. The way I understand it the APA/APL there is open/masters/grand masters in that order. Most others refer to open players as those who can win open level tournaments. I am not an open player by east coast standards, but know of many players who play under my speed that must play in APA masters divisions. If you look at APA, open players probably should be A players or lower, A+ and Open players are masters, pros/semi pros are grand masters. This just what I was told. Of course there will be exception where players slip through the cracks. :D

PS This is why all organizations need to have a classification system that is consistent.
 
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