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The Instructor board seems dead so i thought i would drop in a diagram of a shot i had last night.

I ended up with this spread after the break. the 1-Ball was pocketed in the side pocket, and i had the cut shot on the 2-Ball to come back out/up for the 3-Ball. I looked at this layout and the 9-Ball was barely touching the 3-Ball so the side pocket was out. Also the 6-Ball was blocking the bottom corner pocket.

So, i decided to cut the 2-Ball in with a little low left english. Since it was somewhat a thin cut i was concerned i was going to hit it too hard and end up around Point B. I was hoping to pocket the 2-Ball and end up at around Point A.

Anyway, i just had no confidence at all when i shot this. I under-cut the 2-Ball into the long rail, and the ball rattled and didnt fall. The CB ended up near the 5-Ball.

Can anyone offer any tips on how to play this? what i did wrong?

Mike


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Mike. These would be my two choices.

1. Pure draw, no English at all.
2. A touch of low left, more low than left.


It is certainly a stroke shot with perfect speed.
SPF=randyg
 
I'm not an instructor, but this seems like a shot that's easily over-hit.

I'd play the shot just below center. If I don't hit it perfectly and get shape, I'm hoping to break out the 3 and come out of it with some kind of shot.
 
Another option might be to play it with top right and come up behind the 3 for a shot into the far corner. Another that would require some precision, but you always have the option of tucking up behind the 9 for a safety if you don't get good shape on the 3.

You don't always have to run out. Sometimes defense is the best option.

Steve
 
What Randy / Neil said. Although you never need left with this shot, I always use a TOUCH of left to prevent anything bad from happening. It prevents a skid and spins the ball into the pocket.

I'd never use low-right on this shot---ever. As Randy said, it's mostly a speed control shot.
 
Dave...How does sidespin "spin the ball into the pocket"? Any 'spin transfer' here would be marginal, at best, since to get back to the middle of the table, it is shot at too high a speed for any english transfer to happen. When it happens (and it's rare), it only happens at VERY slow speed shots, and there's a 2% transfer at best...just not on this shot. :grin:

Scott Lee
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It prevents a skid and spins the ball into the pocket.
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I goofed - i meant i tried to play it with some low left english, not low right!!! sometimes i get to typing too fast and muck up. i guess i was still in a daze from our holiday dinner today. Connie sat right in front of me, she's a 9. Audra was there, along with Tracy, Tiffany, Melanie, Lynn, and Vivian (no, not Villareal). i had all those honeys to look at and was probably still not thinking clear.

Anyway, i sat this shot up tonight and hit it with a little low left, sort of the drag shot. and once the balls contacted the drag killed it and the left sort of spun it close to where i needed to get to.

Lesson learned i guess. I suppose i could have continued to play that rack and if i would have just missed one more shot it would have been a good game of 9-Ball.

Mike
 
Scott Lee said:
Dave...How does sidespin "spin the ball into the pocket"? Any 'spin transfer' here would be marginal, at best, since to get back to the middle of the table, it is shot at too high a speed for any english transfer to happen. When it happens (and it's rare), it only happens at VERY slow speed shots, and there's a 2% transfer at best...just not on this shot. :grin:

Scott Lee
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I'm using bad terminology, probably. I'm referring to spin-induced throw. Using left english will throw the OB to the right (hence, "spinning it in" based on the line of centers). It's not the OB's spin that makes the shot (spin transfer)... it's the throw effect off the CB.

Are you saying that center english and outside english deliver the same OB path on this shot?
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
I'm using bad terminology, probably. I'm referring to spin-induced throw. Using left english will throw the OB to the right (hence, "spinning it in" based on the line of centers). It's not the OB's spin that makes the shot (spin transfer)... it's the throw effect off the CB.

Are you saying that center english and outside english deliver the same OB path on this shot?
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Dave. The problem with SIT is it's very low percentage and unpredictable. Not all shots will have a "throw" effect. Now we have to guess which shot will or won't....SPF=randyg
 
Absolutely correct, Randy. I have set up test shots to prove that SIT does in fact exist. I have had some that worked, and then the exact same shot on another table with different balls not work at all.
Way too much inconsistency to attempt using it in competition!

Steve
 
Neil said:
I would shoot it with a draw-drag shot, but I want the draw to still be on it at contact. The heavy draw will slow the cb down (hence the drag) and make it easier to control the speed while still keeping draw on it.

The other BIG thing- don't EVER shoot a shot when you have no confidence in it. You pretty much guarantee yourself to screw up if you do. Take a moment, and convince yourself that the shot is well within your realm of shots. Negativity breeds screwups. Thinking positive breeds good results.
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draw drag or drag draw shots are a great way to kill cueball speed, I practice spotting a ball and using a striped ball at different distances and making the striped ball turn over and start natural roll just before or just after hitting the object ball. If you don't know the shot , basically you are sliding the cueball at the object ball with low english and the length of your stroke controls the distance it slides before it picks up "perfect rolling" .
Ask a good player to show you if this doesn't make sense.
 
Did anyone actually try this shot? It doesn't look possible to me, to get near position A, considering where the cue ball is.

Not an instructor or great player...

The way I hit this shot to hold the cueball as much as possible in the area the OP wants, is to jack up "slightly" and hit low outside. The cue ball curves on the way to the OB, and it has a LOT more spin than speed on it, helping get the desired angle. Completely a feel shot. Its a slow speed shot, and the OB is going to drop at pocket speed. Even with this technique, I don't feel the OP's shot is possible at his desired position.
 
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