playing with inside is difficult
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TheThaiger
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The analogy works. I like what cj says about making the game simple and playing all shots the same, and hitting the cb with authority. I'm less keen on his toi and 3 part pocket nonsense, which after a million posts, I am still no nearer to understanding.
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TheThaiger
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You're here all week, though. That's the important thing.
What? Did I actually get a chuckle out of that one? Well, that's certainly a step up from the last time:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3482141
-Sean
That exactly what Lee Trevino said in his interview with Feherty. He said if he were Tiger, he'd spend whatever necessary to buy a house right next door to Harmon. He'd then walk over and say "Hey Neighbor, how about a golf lesson.?" I agree, Tiger let his ego get in the way when he left Harmon who I think is the best golf instructor on the planet. Haney's name shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with Harmon's.
Just position the head over the cue when using inside like you would using centre ball. Head facing directly along the cue exactly the same as you would with a centre ball hit. This alone may not help, but it will give you a clearer picture of the line your cue takes and should help figure out what adjustments you need to make.I missed the entire pocket, which came as a bit of a shock.
So I set it up again and missed the pocket to the other side.
I think you may have something with head position. It just feels...weird, like I'm back to being a beginner again, unbalanced and unsure.
I know how to golf, but don't. Tennis happened years ago, but don't anymore. The carpenter analogy hit home and I can relate to quite a bit of what you say through that venue. Going the inside spin route really got me looking at how I play.
I've made major changes to my game the last couple of weeks and it seems to be paying off in the short term. I've incorporated some of your techniques after figuring them out and had to revamp some old bad habits. I think I'm moving off of the plateau I've been on and it feels pretty good.
I started playing straights again this week because of some positive posts on these forums. It's been 25 years and I've already had a couple of games in the 80's and a 94 (4 inch pockets). The last century run for me happened during the last century. :grin-square: But, I can feel it coming on!
The TOI stroke has helped me across the board with all spins and center ball. I thought outside was just that, outside. Now, I've developed a TOO
for position where I don't aim thick to throw the ball. I use the spin off of the rail, but have less throw on the object ball. Lots of changes for the better.A couple of posts on here have alluded to this by Chopstick and Cornerman. Some other good info is in their posts, too.
Best,
Mike
You can try Band-Aids but they do not work.
The key to learning and mastering is through trial and error, rinse and repeat, repetitive learning.
You have to find your own, find your natural, your feel and touch. Make it yours
It's all about the stroke…PERIOD.....DOUBLE PERIOD……
Using inside, outside, anywhere you need to strike the cue ball to me is irrevellant; you must deliver the stroke smooth, clean and pure. If you don't deliver properly you will have poor cue ball results.
If you want to hit extreme right reverse you must practice it. You will find the thickness, stroke delivery, Speed, amount of follow through, all the ingredients to achieve the task at hand.
Get on the table and go to work, your brain and muscle memory are very powerful, use them.
Any info you can pick up along the way can always help, experiment, use what may work for you and throw the rest out.
The key to learning and mastering is through trial and error, rinse and repeat, repetitive learning.
You have to find your own, find your natural, your feel and touch. Make it yours
It's all about the stroke…PERIOD.....DOUBLE PERIOD……
Using inside, outside, anywhere you need to strike the cue ball to me is irrevellant; you must deliver the stroke smooth, clean and pure. If you don't deliver properly you will have poor cue ball results.
If you want to hit extreme right reverse you must practice it. You will find the thickness, stroke delivery, Speed, amount of follow through, all the ingredients to achieve the task at hand.
Get on the table and go to work, your brain and muscle memory are very powerful, use them.
Any info you can pick up along the way can always help, experiment, use what may work for you and throw the rest out.
... because sometimes it IS necessary.
... because inside english actually offers some significant advantages (see the inside english resource page for the list and explanations).
... because aiming with inside english is really no different from aiming with outside english if you have a solid understanding and/or intuitive feel for squirt, swerve, and throw effects (and if you use BHE/FHE).
That's probably enough reasons for now.
Good thread,
Dave
Tigers problem has little to do with his coaching ,, the biggest difference is between his ears and his putting ,, he simply does not nock down those must have putts for par like he did in his prime he simply made every put and then some ,, with that came the pressure on everyone one else ,, I can't remember any great player ever having the effect on the field that tiger had players would just wilt if he was anywhere near the top
there's just too many good golfers now that can win on any given Sunday .. The Larry Holmes era is gone
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It is not harder, what happens, when you go down on the shot a little off of the aim line, like quick without paying attention, usually i think you go down on the thick side, and need to put inside, you end up putting parallel inside english. If you always assume you are pivoted style english and failed to check, the parallel english squirt CB too much and miss by over cutting, if it happens to be that the squirt did not cancel throw you in trouble...
Why would you use any English unless it is necessary?
Tiger actually performed more consistently with Hank Haney
Tiger actually performed more consistently with Hank Haney than with Butch. In Hank's book he meticulously documents this with ALL the pertinent information regarding Tiger's tournament performances.
Hank's book about working with Tiger is one of the best books I've ever read, it doesn't "sugar coat" Hank's experience with coaching {arguably} the greatest athlete the world has ever known.
Tiger actually performed more consistently with Hank Haney than with Butch. In Hank's book he meticulously documents this with ALL the pertinent information regarding Tiger's tournament performances.
Hank's book about working with Tiger is one of the best books I've ever read, it doesn't "sugar coat" Hank's experience with coaching {arguably} the greatest athlete the world has ever known.
Anyone who is authoring their own book about a subjective subject (and not one on science, facts, or technology) can write anything they want in it. That doesn't mean it carries weight or is true. It just means that Hank is a good subjective writer.
Had this book been written by someone else, say, a well-known sportscaster/writer, it'd have different weight, because it's from a third-party / overseer point of view, and less likely to be "pat myself on the back" biased.
-Sean
Tiger actually performed more consistently with Hank Haney than with Butch. In Hank's book he meticulously documents this with ALL the pertinent information regarding Tiger's tournament performances.
Hank's book about working with Tiger is one of the best books I've ever read, it doesn't "sugar coat" Hank's experience with coaching {arguably} the greatest athlete the world has ever known.
I don't know CJ.
Federer is probably considered a better athlete than Tiger. I mean he does play a sport that actually requires athleticism. When's the last time you saw someone not in tip top shape win a major?
Oh, and he did actually break the equivalent record that Tiger has been chasing, but never will.
Ha! If we are to brand all people who are good at a game athletes then Phil Taylor is undoubtedly in the top 3 "athletes" the world has ever seen. You won't ever see him saying he's an athlete though!
Hank lists all the tournaments Tiger played in and lets the reader decide.
Actually Hank lists all the tournaments Tiger played in and lets the reader decide. Ironically, Johnny Archer called me and said Hank's book 'The Big Miss' was the first book Johnny had ever read "cover to cover" - he was raving about how good the book was and how it inspired him.
Hank is an incredible teacher, far better than Butch in many people's minds. Butch is a really nice guy and was in Tiger's corner, however, Hanks knowledge of the golf swing is vastly superior to Butches. I believe Butch would agree.
Hank also separated himself from other instructors by producing the #1 show on THE GOLF CHANNEL called "THE HANEY PROJECT" which was a fun show about Hank working on the swings of some interesting celebrities.....it was all in fun, and also #1. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Actually Hank lists all the tournaments Tiger played in and lets the reader decide. Ironically, Johnny Archer called me and said Hank's book 'The Big Miss' was the first book Johnny had ever read "cover to cover" - he was raving about how good the book was and how it inspired him.
Hank is an incredible teacher, far better than Butch in many people's minds. Butch is a really nice guy and was in Tiger's corner, however, Hanks knowledge of the golf swing is vastly superior to Butches. I believe Butch would agree.
Hank also separated himself from other instructors by producing the #1 show on THE GOLF CHANNEL called "THE HANEY PROJECT" which was a fun show about Hank working on the swings of some interesting celebrities.....it was all in fun, and also #1. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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Ummm, no. Not even in the top 100, but then again, I'm a little biased about guys who walk to each hole, and have others carry their equipment for them
