Plea for Mark Griffin to Explain

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deanoc

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exactly what he would do if given the opportunity to
establish a system that benefits both players and fans and
the rank and file heart and soul players who enjoy the
benefits of league play.

Please explain where the money will come from and the interplay among the various
different parties.Why should league players even care about professional players,
in other words how having pro s would benefit the regular guys,and why or how the pros could benefit from and be a blessing to the rest of us,

I once heard Mark explain in a minute or two over a free lunch(some say these are the only ones I share) to Dennis Glenn how this would work to the benefit of all parties.

I have known mark for years and admire his integrity,industry,passion for pool and
most of all his uncanny genius for seeing how to promote a complex situation
like this whereas others see only problems,

I for one applaud his previous efforts and hope if his plan is presented to us,that a ground swell of support would enable Mark to get the ball rolling to the benefit of everyone,I fully expect everyone to be a winner including Mark.

PS
It would be nice to hear from Mark who used to be a nice buyer of cues.We all know I could use the money.
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I think you mean Mark Griffin. I don't know Mark Gregory's ideas for saving pool, but I do know he has some awesome ones for saving pool tables.
 
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I am glad to see my error has caused such a display of good humor


I meant Mark Griffin

I don't know how to change a title

Help

I now look like a fool,but I have been informed not to worry it is nothing new
 
deanoc said:
I am glad to see my error has caused such a display of good humor


I meant Mark Griffin

I don't know how to change a title

Help

I now look like a fool,but I have been informed not to worry it is nothing new
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If you click the "edit" button on the lower right of the initial post it should allow you to change the subject.
 
Plea for Mark Gregory to Explain

I THINK 'this' is the answer - LOL!!
Leave it to Freddie---

Cornerman said:
The Marks are the Teachers
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I cannot answer Dean's question. All I can say is that CSI is trying to accomplish something that will be good for everybody involved in playing pool. I am not ready to discuss it or be criticized by everyone - some of which MIGHT know what they are talking about. (a little humor there:wink:)

When we go public (assuming we get all the bugs worked out), there will be detractors - we expect that. But we have more insight into what might work and why - and more importantly what might not work and why.

Not trying to be a hero or the 'savior' of pool. I just really would like to see the game in the US get elevated. Don't ask any questions because they will not be answered for the time being.

Mark Griffin
 
Thanks for the brief story
it was a pleasure speaking with Mark on the phone
he is one of the best guys i have met in pool
i look forward to the next move he makes
dean
 
Mark Griffin said:
I THINK 'this' is the answer - LOL!!
Leave it to Freddie---





I cannot answer Dean's question. All I can say is that CSI is trying to accomplish something that will be good for everybody involved in playing pool. I am not ready to discuss it or be criticized by everyone - some of which MIGHT know what they are talking about. (a little humor there:wink:)

When we go public (assuming we get all the bugs worked out), there will be detractors - we expect that. But we have more insight into what might work and why - and more importantly what might not work and why.

Not trying to be a hero or the 'savior' of pool. I just really would like to see the game in the US get elevated. Don't ask any questions because they will not be answered for the time being.

Mark Griffin
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I resemble that remark- Mark!

Mark
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Sorry couldn't help myself... I hope your plan works Mark!
 
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CSI is trying to accomplish something that will be good for everybody

Thanks, Mark, well stated. "everybody involved in playing pool" hmmmm.......


Mark Griffin said:
I THINK 'this' is the answer - LOL!!
Leave it to Freddie---





I cannot answer Dean's question. All I can say is that CSI is trying to accomplish something that will be good for everybody involved in playing pool. I am not ready to discuss it or be criticized by everyone - some of which MIGHT know what they are talking about. (a little humor there:wink:)

When we go public (assuming we get all the bugs worked out), there will be detractors - we expect that. But we have more insight into what might work and why - and more importantly what might not work and why.

Not trying to be a hero or the 'savior' of pool. I just really would like to see the game in the US get elevated. Don't ask any questions because they will not be answered for the time being.

Mark Griffin
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Mark Griffin said:
I THINK 'this' is the answer - LOL!!
Leave it to Freddie---





I cannot answer Dean's question. All I can say is that CSI is trying to accomplish something that will be good for everybody involved in playing pool. I am not ready to discuss it or be criticized by everyone - some of which MIGHT know what they are talking about. (a little humor there:wink:)

When we go public (assuming we get all the bugs worked out), there will be detractors - we expect that. But we have more insight into what might work and why - and more importantly what might not work and why.

Not trying to be a hero or the 'savior' of pool. I just really would like to see the game in the US get elevated. Don't ask any questions because they will not be answered for the time being.

Mark Griffin
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Pool is a LOCAL sport. It can be enormously successful on a local basis for an enthusiast who is willing to invest and work. We locals work in the trenches. Our local players do not know and have little interest in what goes on beyond the county line. This is unfortunate. I would vey much like for it to be different. No one ever asks why there is this disconnect. My hat is off to you, CJ, Sigel, Joe T, Barry B, Greg S, Jay H, and many others for your efforts to try to nationalize our great game. I know your dreams. You folks have a big mountain to climb.
 
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they are like piles of negativity that loom like a menacing creature.

Why do you think people are not inclined to climb such big mountains.....fear perhaps?

Everyone said no one could climb Mt. Everest at one time, however humans are very clever and where there's a will there's a way. The biggest mountains in pool have been created, they are like piles of negativity that loom like a menacing creature.

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Paul Schofield said:
Pool is a LOCAL sport. It can be enormously successful on a local basis for an enthusiast who is willing to invest and work. We locals work in the trenches. Our local players do not know and have little interest in what goes on beyond the county line. This is unfortunate. I would vey much like for it to be different. No one ever asks why there is this disconnect. My hat is off to you, CJ, Sigel, Joe T, Barry B, Greg S, Jay H, and many others for your efforts to try to nationalize our great game. I know your dreams. You folks have a big mountain to climb.
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CJ Wiley said:
Why do you think people are inclined to climb such big mountains.....fear perhaps?

Everyone said no one could climb Mt. Everest at one time, however humans are very clever and where there's a will there's a way. The biggest mountains in pool have been created, they are like piles of negativity that loom like a menacing creature.
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I truly wish and hope that you find your niche and success within our mutual pursuit of a thriving pocket billiard industry.
 
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Why the Disconnect?

Paul Schofield said:
Pool is a LOCAL sport. It can be enormously successful on a local basis for an enthusiast who is willing to invest and work. We locals work in the trenches. Our local players do not know and have little interest in what goes on beyond the county line. This is unfortunate. I would vey much like for it to be different. No one ever asks why there is this disconnect. My hat is off to you, CJ, Sigel, Joe T, Barry B, Greg S, Jay H, and many others for your efforts to try to nationalize our great game. I know your dreams. You folks have a big mountain to climb.
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Very wise post and observation that is completely true.

I've been places that pool was rich, the environment friendly for it and everything Pool coexisted well with everything else.

The owner is the center of that universe. He is the head of Pool. He is the one we should look to, to bring in new players into the game, because if it doesn't make sense to him he will immediately know it.

If it doesn't make some financial sense to the Pool Room Owner then it has no place in pool.

I often wonder why more rooms don't have bleachers because the only pool the locals get to see is pool played at their home rooms.

Grassroots efforts should become to mean we did something to help a Room Owner cultivate more customers.

When we wonder why there is no one out there saying "Got Pool?" to the general public we should think....How would the pool room owner profit from it? Its he that is going to have to pay for it and do it.

National Organizations are wonderful. Trade Shows are grand but none of them stand forever without the Pool Room and the Player. None of those stand without the Owner.

The disconnect? Why is there a disconnect?

Its because everyone seems to be after something that is directly influenced by the Pool Room Owner. If he decides to own it, guess what? You don't.

All we have to do in order to have a complete Renaissance in the game of Pool is realize what side of the damn toast we are supposed to put the butter on!

The Owner Side.
 
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Mark is, quite simply, American pool's greatest visionary and thinker.

I've never seen anyone in pool that sought more feedback from and listened more to those that participate in competitive pool on any level.

Whatever Mark's plan is, I'm sure that it is well considered and that it is the culmination of a process in which he did his market research to ensure that his intents are both feasible and logical.

American pool is always in good hands when Mark Griffin is doing his thing.
 
336Robin said:
Very wise post and observation that is completely true.

I've been places that pool was rich, the environment friendly for it and everything Pool coexisted well with everything else.

The owner is the center of that universe. He is the head of Pool. He is the one we should look to, to bring in new players into the game, because if it doesn't make sense to him he will immediately know it.

If it doesn't make some financial sense to the Pool Room Owner then it has no place in pool.

I often wonder why more rooms don't have bleachers because the only pool the locals get to see is pool played at their home rooms.

Grassroots efforts should become to mean we did something to help a Room Owner cultivate more customers.

When we wonder why there is no one out there saying "Got Pool?" to the general public we should think....How would the pool room owner profit from it? Its he that is going to have to pay for it and do it.

National Organizations are wonderful. Trade Shows are grand but none of them stand forever without the Pool Room and the Player. None of those stand without the Owner.

The disconnect? Why is there a disconnect?

Its because everyone seems to be after something that is directly influenced by the Pool Room Owner. If he decides to own it, guess what? You don't.

All we have to do in order to have a complete Renaissance in the game of Pool is realize what side of the damn toast we are supposed to put the butter on!

The Owner Side.
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Nice post!

I think the most successful way to insure both amateur and pro levels are sustained is to support the pro circuit through the amateur leagues.

But what's most important is that pro players are required to do "professional development" so many hours per year to retain a tour card. Hours are accumulated by scheduling and visiting pool rooms giving instruction, telling stories, exhibitions, and giving away prizes from their sponsors.

I think this is one way to help the amateur players identify the top players. And of course, the hoped for end result would be that amateur players flock to pool rooms generating money for the room owner, the leagues eventually pushing more money to pro support.

Anyway, thats my idea of how this circle may eventually grow and thrive. Would be great to see something like this happen!


Gary
 
Ky Boy said:
Nice post!

I think the most successful way to insure both amateur and pro levels are sustained is to support the pro circuit through the amateur leagues.

But what's most important is that pro players are required to do "professional development" so many hours per year to retain a tour card. Hours are accumulated by scheduling and visiting pool rooms giving instruction, telling stories, exhibitions, and giving away prizes from their sponsors.

I think this is one way to help the amateur players identify the top players. And of course, the hoped for end result would be that amateur players flock to pool rooms generating money for the room owner, the leagues eventually pushing more money to pro support.

Anyway, thats my idea of how this circle may eventually grow and thrive. Would be great to see something like this happen!


Gary
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Gary,
I think that is exactly what has been happening as far as the support part anyway. CSI has taken on itself a lot of responsibility that they really didn't have to. So Mark Griffins league has been I would think not so much for the others. He has been a lot of the game of pool especially in promotion. I hope this comes back to him because I think that one would have to have an interest in pro promotion in order for any money to make its way back to you. The disconnectedness in the sport divides everyone up and they don't help support one another. Probably the opposite is true. In a perfect world things would be different but in the real world things have to pay their way.
 
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Ky Boy said:
Nice post!

I think the most successful way to insure both amateur and pro levels are sustained is to support the pro circuit through the amateur leagues.

But what's most important is that pro players are required to do "professional development" so many hours per year to retain a tour card. Hours are accumulated by scheduling and visiting pool rooms giving instruction, telling stories, exhibitions, and giving away prizes from their sponsors.

I think this is one way to help the amateur players identify the top players. And of course, the hoped for end result would be that amateur players flock to pool rooms generating money for the room owner, the leagues eventually pushing more money to pro support.

Anyway, thats my idea of how this circle may eventually grow and thrive. Would be great to see something like this happen!


Gary
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Most pros and good players wouldn't lift a finger to help themselves. Why should anybody else?
 
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