Points in cues

[Ken_4fun]

Cuemakers -

I was wondering, and you guys are always so helpful. I have a top cuemakers cue, (okay GINA), and it has obvious rounded CNC point but the venneers seem pointed.

I think, if I was a cuemaker, I would do the same thing, but I would somehow make the point, by hand if necessary. What I am saying is I would use a CNC to do the points but then trim them up.

Does this make sense? I see so many with the same problem or issue.
I love the cue, dont get me wrong, but is had trimming possible to make the points come to a razor sharp end?

I guess I just dont get it.

Anyone else?

Thanks
Ken

 

[steev]

I see CNC points as inlays, where sharp points are actually spliced. To hide the fact that it's not spliced seems somehow shady.

/my $.02

-s

 

[JoeyInCali]

Cuemakers -

I think, if I was a cuemaker, I would do the same thing, but I would somehow make the point, by hand if necessary. What I am saying is I would use a CNC to do the points but then trim them up.


Thanks
Ken

Then you woould have to make the point stock ( that was cut with the cnc ) sharp too to fit the pocket right.
Then again, you can CNC v-points now, so why use a flat cutter?

 

[Sheldon]

Then you woould have to make the point stock ( that was cut with the cnc ) sharp too to fit the pocket right.
Then again, you can CNC v-points now, so why use a flat cutter?

So you can have veneers of ivory and malachite? or silver? or?

 

[JoeyInCali]

Nice!!!!

 

[pdcue]

Cuemakers -

I was wondering, and you guys are always so helpful. I have a top cuemakers cue, (okay GINA), and it has obvious rounded CNC point but the venneers seem pointed.

I think, if I was a cuemaker, I would do the same thing, but I would somehow make the point, by hand if necessary. What I am saying is I would use a CNC to do the points but then trim them up.

Does this make sense? I see so many with the same problem or issue.
I love the cue, dont get me wrong, but is had trimming possible to make the points come to a razor sharp end?

I guess I just dont get it.

Anyone else?


Thanks
Ken

Steve is right, a CNC'd "point" is an inlay, and yes, you can make them look
like spliced points, if you are clever and motivated enough.

But, at the end of the day you have a CNC'd 'point-shaped-inlay',
disguised to look like a spliced point

to obtain the sharp point, you really need to futz around with the pocket
and fill it with a suitable material - the inlay can be cut to a sharp point

IMHO - most buyers af CNC'd cues know this and are willing to accept
the slightly rounded ends

Dale

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

Cuemakers -

I was wondering, and you guys are always so helpful. I have a top cuemakers cue, (okay GINA), and it has obvious rounded CNC point but the venneers seem pointed.

I think, if I was a cuemaker, I would do the same thing, but I would somehow make the point, by hand if necessary. What I am saying is I would use a CNC to do the points but then trim them up.

Does this make sense? I see so many with the same problem or issue.
I love the cue, dont get me wrong, but is had trimming possible to make the points come to a razor sharp end?

I guess I just dont get it.

Anyone else?

Thanks
Ken

I make both "V" bottomed sharp points & inlayed rounded points. I enjoy making both. If you like the sharp points, then that's what you should buy. To me players should be looking for the Q that plays the best, instead of what they look like. I don't use a CNC, but I see a market for both style of points...JER

 

[RSB-Refugee]

I make both "V" bottomed sharp points & inlayed rounded points. I enjoy making both. If you like the sharp points, then that's what you should buy. To me players should be looking for the Q that plays the best, instead of what they look like. I don't use a CNC, but I see a market for both style of points...JER

Good point.

Tracy

 

[Sheldon]

IMHO - most buyers af CNC'd cues know this and are willing to accept
the slightly rounded ends

AFAIK, the most expensive cue ever sold was CNC all the way.
$103,000!! Except for extremely rare collectable cues, I don't think any v-pointed cue comes anywhere near the $$ value that really nice CNC work demands.

 

[Sheldon]

I make both "V" bottomed sharp points & inlayed rounded points. I enjoy making both. If you like the sharp points, then that's what you should buy. To me players should be looking for the Q that plays the best, instead of what they look like. I don't use a CNC, but I see a market for both style of points...JER

Shhhh.... If everyone follows this advice, all they will ever want to buy are my sneaky petes.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Shhhh.... If everyone follows this advice, all they will ever want to buy are my sneaky petes.

All cuemakers know sneaky petes hit like shait!!!
You need points, inlays and all that ivory to get a great hit.
Btw, Brazilian rosewoods have dull tone and can crack anytime.
Send me all you have and I'll adopt them.

 

[Ken_4fun]

Frankly this is the truth...

Shhhh.... If everyone follows this advice, all they will ever want to buy are my sneaky petes.

I tend to agree. I think Henry Ford is credited with saying " You can have any color you want as long as it is black"

Because we want both.

Ken

 

[shakes]

I tend to agree. I think Henry Ford is credited with saying " You can have any color you want as long as it is black"

Because we want both.

Ken

I thought that was Joel Hercek in response to what color leather wrap he would put on your cue. LOL.

 

[Sheldon]

So you can have veneers of ivory and malachite? or silver? or?

Here's the finished product, the owner is ecstatic...

Ivory butt, joint, veneers, leaves. Malachite veneers and billets. Cocobolo with Myrtle burl points and windows.

 

[nipper]

beautiful cue

 

[manwon]

Steve is right, a CNC'd "point" is an inlay, and yes, you can make them look
like spliced points, if you are clever and motivated enough.

But, at the end of the day you have a CNC'd 'point-shaped-inlay',
disguised to look like a spliced point

to obtain the sharp point, you really need to futz around with the pocket
and fill it with a suitable material - the inlay can be cut to a sharp point

IMHO - most buyers af CNC'd cues know this and are willing to accept
the slightly rounded ends

Dale

Hey Dale, from what I understand Tad has been making inlayed points that look spliced since the begining. I have also been told that he has never made a spliced a forearm, is this correct?

Thanks

 

[pdcue]

Hey Dale, from what I understand Tad has been making inlayed points that look spliced since the begining. I have also been told that he has never made a spliced a forearm, is this correct?

Thanks

Not that I am aware of, but then there is much of which I am not aware
IIRC - Tad started making cues in the early 60s, using Titlist/Hoppe
blanks, just like everybody and his dog did in those days.

I would doubt he would have lept to 'milled in' fake points
that early, and CNC was still decades away
the contemporary NC technology costs would have been
prohibative. Ernie<Ginacue> did those "clover tipped" points
to discuise the fact that they were inlays - IIUC he used some
clever setup on his lathe.

I must repeat, all this obsessing over CNCd points that can't
be distinguished from spliced points, leaves me a bit perplexed.

Anybody out there just praying for the day they can own a cue
with spliced points that look EXACTLY like they were CNCd?

Dale

 

[pdcue]

AFAIK, the most expensive cue ever sold was CNC all the way.
$103,000!! Except for extremely rare collectable cues, I don't think any v-pointed cue comes anywhere near the $$ value that really nice CNC work demands.

Well, that is true - but you are envoking 1% of 1%.
I'm sure you are more familiar with that cue than I am,
but AFAIK - the price didn't have much to do
with how 'pointy' the points were.

In my experience, for reasonably priced cues, most buyers seem
to be willing to pay a higher price for a spliced cue than
an equivalent CNCd cue.
Have you found the same to be true?

I would also venture to say that when one gets above a price
of a few thousand $s, and certainly when it gets to several 1000s,
the price has little to do with the fact that it is a cue at all.

It becomes somebody's idea of art, of which, as we all know,
there is no acounting for the taste thereof.

Dale

 

[Sheldon]

Well, that is true - but you are envoking 1% of 1%.
I'm sure you are more familiar with that cue than I am,
but AFAIK - the price didn't have much to do
with how 'pointy' the points were.

True, but most of the people I've dealt with over the years don't have the bias towards traditional points that seems more common that it really is. They are usually more interested in particular designs or materials, than how they are assembled.

In my experience, for reasonably priced cues, most buyers seem
to be willing to pay a higher price for a spliced cue than
an equivalent CNCd cue.
Have you found the same to be true?

It depends on what you mean by "resonable", and "equivalent". If you have 2 basic cues, and one has nice sharp points, and the other has big rounded ends, I would agree. However, if the cnc cue has nice sharp points, and they all line up perfectly, and the materials are possibly unique, then the cnc cue may be worth more.
There are so many factors like who made the cue, the quality of the work, the quality of the materials, etc., etc. that a blanket statement like you are trying to make doesn't apply very well without further qualification.

 

[pdcue]

"It depends on what you mean by "resonable", and "equivalent". If you have 2 basic cues, and one has nice sharp points, and the other has big rounded ends, I would agree. However, if the cnc cue has nice sharp points, and they all line up perfectly, and the materials are possibly unique, then the cnc cue may be worth more.
There are so many factors like who made the cue, the quality of the work, the quality of the materials, etc., etc. that a blanket statement like you are trying to make doesn't apply very well without further qualification."

I kinda thought 'equivalent' actualy covered all those points, ergo,
no more qualifications.

IMHO - like beauty, the value lies in the eye of the beholder After all,
there are still people buying Moochies