Jimbo: I'm not clouding any issue, I said that Mark owns 90% of the cues on the site, if you are saying that's not true and that you are partners on all the cues and you own a lot I can't prove. But I know so are you saying now that I am wrong and Mark doesn't own at least 90%?? As far as other stuff goes it's all from private conversations and as I already said Mark will lie so why bother, he's a scumbag who's word can't be trusted, please let him know I said so and also let him know that as long as you want to play big shot I'll keep saying it. When I get mad at you (hasn't happened yet) I'll start trashing you and expose you.
??? Not only do you cloud issues you continue to mix and match your argument. My comment was about you talking about Mark and Skip and now you are back to the 90% ownership of the cues, garbage. You can keep saying anything you want but it has nothing to do with you and I.
Jimbo: It's clear to everyone here Joe, nobody believes that Skip or Paul belongs on a list of the TOP 3 cuemakers (except people with limited experience), and that's no insult, I like and respect both, but top 3 is a bit off and the fact that they are local guys who give you a nice deal and are the only two guys you sell is no coincidence. But again keep living the lie it's kinda funny. Maybe I should say Barry Cameron is the best cuemaker alive because he's close and he takes care of me when I need work. Again someone can do nice work and not be insulted if they aren't listed in the top 3 of all cuemakers. There are some people in the top 10 that can be subjective and it would be hard to argue them (Ernie, Hercek,Schick, Mottey, and guys like that) but some guys just aren't top 3 no matter how many of their cues you try to sell. And I know Paul posts and reads here and I also hope he doesn't take that as an insult, but you are loyal you prove it everyday here LOL.
Hey this was a poll with NO criteria. As far as I am concerned, for whatever the reasons, my dealings, friendship whatever, they are on the list. Why do you keep saying they are the only two guys I sell? This is not true and just reinforces the fact you know nothing. Ernie? Legend yes, BUT when someone like that bastardizes a Bushka, I find it hard to defend him on the list. If the poll was three most artistic cues, yes he would have been on my list., Sorry, Jim, it was an opinion poll; if you don’t like it, stick it.
Jimbo: Once again I feel the need to point out that this whole thing is still going on because you feel a need to protect Mark, I don't have any issue with you Joe, but you are so hell bent on being in the spotlight you just won't let it end. I have a problem with your boss, Mark, not you.
Again, you are wrong. It just goes to show what I said before; you cannot get to Mark so you need to go at it here. Because in your feeble mind you are getting to Mark.
Jimbo: I wouldn't buy a copy of someone else’s design that was stolen. None of that means I haven't in the past or that I won't buy a cue from someone who has done it in the past.
Again to clarify, with your holier than thou position on cue design theft this is no better than an animal rights activist sitting on leather seats, wearing leather shoes and eating london broil while discussing the slaughter of Gods creatures.
Jimbo: I just share an opinion, one you claim to disagree with yet when someone lifted all Marks cues and made crappy knockoffs you were pissed LOL, now you think it's ok LOL.
Really, I believe I said “well at least he has the originals” or something like that.. doesn’t sound pissed to me.
Jimbo: I told Mark all about it via IM and E-mail the picture has since been taken down. You posted My picture without a clue, you had no idea we had an agreement, I'm not even 100% sure you knew who took it and who owned it.
You’re an idiot. The picture is still on the site and can be accessed by anyone who wants it. I knew who took the picture and there were no issues with it. You claimed you said something the first time it was posted and even if you did, it had no bearing on the picture and the posting of said picture. You want to see me post it again, and again, and again.
Jimbo: Mark approached me at VF and I told him to F&%$ Off, I don't have anything to say to a man who doesn't keep his word and then lies about it, not someone I want to deal with, sorry
Funny, not the way he remembers it, but again, you find it easy to talk about people when they cannot respond.
Jimbo: Once more you make claims as to what you know. Joe you need to learn a few things, #1 being you only know what took place in a conversation if you were there, not what Mark told you was said, you were not a part of the conversation between Mark, Scott and the Police. Care to lie more about it???
This was not said between Mark, Scott and the police. See again you talk about something you know nothing about. No where did I say this was between Mark, Scott and the Police.
Jimbo: I can go on and say I know what was agreed upon also, but it would just be hearsay, kinda like you. I know enough facts to comment on this issue and to tell the truth I was on Mark's side for a long time until Scott gave other details, even though I thought the right thing to do wasn't what the right thing was as far as the law goes. Of course all hearsay, I guess the judge will decide, but not until Mark man's up and stops trying to drag it out.
Hearsay? You’re a moron, I was in the conversation with Scott, and Jim Younge. You’re a full blown retard. Do you remember this conversation? It was downstairs, oh where was Jimbo? Oh that’s right, you weren’t there. You commenting more on something you know nothing about. As far as Mark dragging it out, I have news for you, he had to cancel once the other cancellations were by the officials and Scott. Mark even took time off, drive down and stayed in a hotel and spent his time, not knowing it was cancelled, since it was cancelled on short notice. Again, you don’t know what’s going on and you shouldn’t comment about it. But again, since Marks not here, its easy for you.
(Just a side note; the above has nothing to do with the arguement, just to show Jimbo will interject at will, something totally irrelevent to get at Mark)
Jimbo: You put 2 people who have no business being in the top 3 on your list, they happen to be the ONLY 2 people who make cues for YOU, can I make it any more clear???
Really, now you want to tell me who belongs on MY list. Great, and I am the limelight stealer and the one with the obsession? LOL you’re still an idiot. BTW again, I will put Skips work against ANYBODY”S who makes the same style of cue. Veneered with inlays. I believe Fanelli was on another list, are you saying anything to that guy? Oh that’s right, he has no affiliation with Mark, so what’s the point? Who’s obsessed again?
Jimbo: You showed some loyalty and Paul Mottey is a top 10 guy he should be on people's lists, it's not such a stretch.
Now this is funny, a guy you have openly slammed for no originality and “design copying”. That’s good. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.
Jimbo: Joe these are 2 local friends of yours and they are the ONLY 2 guys who make cues for YOU.
A- Yes they are, B- no they aren’t.
Jimbo: Of course you can make me look real dumb, just give a list of guys who YOU ( you not Mark) have ordered more then 1 or 2 cues in the last 5 years.
Ok, Jim White, purchased by Tom Gallager, Murrey Tucker, 3 I believe, 2 Mike Webb cues that Mark and I are partners on, should I keep going?
Jimbo: Also feel free to make me look worse and tell me how many Skips you've had in the past 5 years. I know you won't do it and you sure won't be honest about it, but let's just try a little to be honest.
Yes, and its no secret. But he builds a great cue and I play with one. So, all things being equal, he belongs on my list. Had the poll had criteria, again best artistic, he wouldn’t have been on THAT list. But again all things being equal, I put his recent work against ANYTHING similar you bring to the table.
Jimbo: How many Waynes do YOU own??? Not to mention he can be regarded as inactive.
This doesn’t seem to matter. It’s not about “owning”, its about selling, remember, you said I had an agenda. Now what, I am changing MY agenda because I own a Skip. ROTFLMAO. Jim, again, you’re a retard.
Jimbo: LOL in this post I am replying to you are trying to bring up things from 6 years ago and you said it was to show everyone who you are dealing with, now 4 paragraphs later you want us to believe it's me bringing it up LOL.
Well again you are trying to mix and match comments. You compared yourself to someone in PA, FIRST. Trying to draw similarities with him and my way of thinking in regards to Marks beef. I just thought it was ironic for you to do. So yes, you bought it up FIRST.
Jimbo: LOL "WE" have his cues??? How many do you own?? How many have you had made in the last 3 years??? LOL Plese Joe you're killing me. Once more I try to separate you from Mark and once more your ego wants you two joined at the hip, *we* LOL.
One more time, and for the last time, I can say WE. Whether you like it or not, no matter how you want to define it, employment, friendship whatever. After 8 years I have earned the right to say WE, and Mark will fully agree with anyone who wants to call him and ask. But like I said, you will never know the full extent of our relationship and it bothers the hell out of you.
Jimbo: I know nothing, I've already said that.
So truth is not beyond your comprehension. That’s good to know, we would all like to see more of it.
Jimbo: But what I do know is you put 2 guys on a list they didn't belong on and the reason just may be because they are the only 2 cuemakers who make cues for you and they live less then an hour from you. But of course you have proven that those things have nothing to do with it and you are just answering as honest as you can based on the cues they build with no agenda:
So a guy has a poll, asks for OPINIONS and mine are wrong. LOL You’re a real peach Jim. You’re also a coward and a low life wannabe. I answered this above and feel it doesn’t need repeating. But I also find it ironic that as much as you say I speak for Mark, for loyalty or whatever, he would allegedly say he doesn’t like a cue that I would put in the top 3. So much for the puppet theory.
I guess when someone wants MY opinion, they should just ask YOU.
In purple Jim are things that have NOTHING to do with this conversation. Things you bought up against Mark in a feeble attempt to cloud the issues and take swings at someone who is not here. Since this is between US, leave all the crap out of it. You want to debate my list, OK. But to do so, post yours. Fair is fair. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Joe
