Poll - Pissing up a post

[GoTulane]

Have you noticed there has been an influx of poseurs, I mean posters, that believe they are "Adding Value" to other people's posts, when truly they are just pissing on somebody's post. Or is it just me? These well-informed posters don't want to buy your cue/case/etc., but they want to make their voice heard about your price, sales method, hair color, etc, too all others who look at your post, because they have that right. These people have too much time on their hands, allowing them to post negative, detrimental, and unflattering words about your post, though they do not know you or truly what you are posting. I am talking about those people who make specific comments without support of any kind to show their view as TRUE. To me it seems to be getting worse everyday and with every new post I read. What is your opinion on this??

Just thought this would be an interesting post to get people talking, and see other's views. I guess I have too much time on my hands, and a lot of pent-up aggression.

So let me know what you think.....

 

[manwon]

Have you noticed there has been an influx of poseurs, I mean posters, that believe they are "Adding Value" to other people's posts, when truly they are just pissing on somebody's post. Or is it just me? These well-informed posters don't want to buy your cue/case/etc., but they want to make their voice heard about your price, sales method, hair color, etc, too all others who look at your post, because they have that right. These people have too much time on their hands, allowing them to post negative, detrimental, and unflattering words about your post, though they do not know you or truly what you are posting. I am talking about those people who make specific comments without support of any kind to show their view as TRUE. To me it seems to be getting worse everyday and with every new post I read. What is your opinion on this??

Just thought this would be an interesting post to get people talking, and see other's views. I guess I have too much time on my hands, and a lot of pent-up aggression.

So let me know what you think.....

Well, I suspect that you have a valid point, and there are times when saying nothing at all is best. However, in many cases I do not think that people are attempting intentionally to hurt another persons post. But, I know also that this is not always the case, and sometimes it is a good thing. Many people come here to try and learn, about pool and billiards in general, and they may ask questions that seem as though they are questioning someones integrity. Then there is a group of people who appear to have cheering sections. While there is nothing wrong with letting others know that the person makes a good cue, or that their products are good quality. They over hype every post where any subject is approached that resembles the product or their Icon of greatness. It is almost like they are being paid in one form or another to over exaggerate something that is no better or worst than many other products. This I think is wrong, because it presents things in a light other than they really are.

Last, this is a free PUBLIC Forum, no one pays to become a member, and many people only come here for information. However, in the last two years, more and more this place has become a place to use as a sales vehicle for eBay, or to use as a place as your own personal Ad for sales and services. Now, like I said it is a PUBLIC Forum, however, the Ad's for this and that, and the eBay links are starting to become a pain in the butt. I mean, if you want to advertise your services, the forum has a place for that take out an AD!!! At least you will be supporting the kind people who put this forum in place for us all to use, in place of just supporting yourself!!!!!!!!!

Just my thoughts!!!!!

 

[asiasdad]

I voted for this option:

I saw this post elsewhere, and it was better and cheaper!!!! Though I don't need or want one.

Because it made your point crystal clear

Danny

 

[masonh]

well said Craig

 

[BPG24]

Manwon summed it up pretty well. as usual

 

[D-Sub]

Completely new here, but I've frequented a few other forums directed at other interests, and the classifieds are almost always the same. The signal-to-noise ratio is ludicrously low. Chatter everywhere that has nearly-or-nothing to do with the intended sale. A snowboard forum I frequent is notorious for that. Hoardes of tire-kickers spouting off about the price, the condition, blah blah blah with zero intention of buying.

solution: I ignore them.

 

[manwon]

Completely new here, but I've frequented a few other forums directed at other interests, and the classifieds are almost always the same. The signal-to-noise ratio is ludicrously low. Chatter everywhere that has nearly-or-nothing to do with the intended sale. A snowboard forum I frequent is notorious for that. Hoardes of tire-kickers spouting off about the price, the condition, blah blah blah with zero intention of buying.

solution: I ignore them.

Well welcome aboard, here many of the problems stem from people who have others chiming in saying RAH RAH RAH!!!!!! When the product is the same the same the same!!!!!

It can all get so misleading, when the truth is twisted and bent to give a distored view of the real reality. My Moma told me once if something seems to good, it is either bad or it has been Pimped !!!!!!

In fact this place should start a special forum!! I know we can call it Pimp that Cue!!!!!!!!!!

Have a Pimpin Night!!!!!!

 

[asiasdad]

Pissing up a post and other crimes

Well welcome aboard, here many of the problems stem from people who have others chiming in saying RAH RAH RAH!!!!!! When the product is the same the same the same!!!!!

It can all get so misleading, when the truth is twisted and bent to give a distored view of the real reality. My Moma told me once if something seems to good, it is either bad or it has been Pimped !!!!!!

In fact this place should start a special forum!! I know we can call it Pimp that Cue!!!!!!!!!!

Have a Pimpin Night!!!!!!

....and then you have those tactless SOB's that hijack the thread by trying to compete with it like this pimp stick thread that actually has a post pisser in it as well :

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=84707&highlight=lambros

-tactless SOB hijacker

 

[BPG24]

I have stated this before but for some reason everyone ignored it...

On other forums I am a member of that have B/S/T sections, they lock the thread where only the OP can post in it. This cuts out all the BS that goes on. Using PM's for communication.

I realize that the so called pimps will hate the idea but it would improve the current situation

 

[blusystems]

Hey - did you see my starbucks post in the non pool related section!!

 

[Nine Ball]

Have you noticed there has been an influx of poseurs, I mean posters, that believe they are "Adding Value" to other people's posts, when truly they are just pissing on somebody's post. Or is it just me? These well-informed posters don't want to buy your cue/case/etc., but they want to make their voice heard about your price, sales method, hair color, etc, too all others who look at your post, because they have that right. These people have too much time on their hands, allowing them to post negative, detrimental, and unflattering words about your post, though they do not know you or truly what you are posting. I am talking about those people who make specific comments without support of any kind to show their view as TRUE. To me it seems to be getting worse everyday and with every new post I read. What is your opinion on this??

Just thought this would be an interesting post to get people talking, and see other's views. I guess I have too much time on my hands, and a lot of pent-up aggression.

So let me know what you think.....

I get your point... I'll go with whatever you guys feel. Lead the way. hehe..

 

[Irish634]

On other forums I am a member of that have B/S/T sections, they lock the thread where only the OP can post in it. This cuts out all the BS that goes on. Using PM's for communication.

I don't sell much at all here, but I think that is a pretty good idea. The time where I think it wouldn't work is if say a regular is vouching for a new poster. A lot of times, items from a new poster are ignored until someone vouches for the person.

Another option is to maybe let the OP filter any questions and allow them to be posted? Meaning if a potential buyer has a question that everyone should see, the OP can allow the post to be added to the thread. This of course does have drawbacks.

These well-informed posters don't want to buy your cue/case/etc., but they want to make their voice heard about your price, sales method, hair color, etc, too all others who look at your post, because they have that right. These people have too much time on their hands, allowing them to post negative, detrimental, and unflattering words about your post, though they do not know you or truly what you are posting. I am talking about those people who make specific comments without support of any kind to show their view as TRUE. To me it seems to be getting worse everyday and with every new post I read. What is your opinion on this??

I agree, though I guess I am just peeing on your post

 

[classiccues]

I have stated this before but for some reason everyone ignored it...

On other forums I am a member of that have B/S/T sections, they lock the thread where only the OP can post in it. This cuts out all the BS that goes on. Using PM's for communication.

I realize that the so called pimps will hate the idea but it would improve the current situation

The one problem is there is no place to "discuss" cues. So inherently what happens is a for sale post becomes the place to discuss that cue, or the cuemaker, or the price, or whatever and eventually the post becomes hijacked. You have the for sale section, and a cue gallery, ask the cuemaker, and cue making machinery, would it KILL them to add a cue discussion section over there? I have lobbied for this ad nauseum and it would take away form all the noise on the W/FS section.
In the right place you discuss the market, the cue makers, pricing, etc.. without disturbing the original FS post.

JV

 

[BPG24]

The one problem is there is no place to "discuss" cues. So inherently what happens is a for sale post becomes the place to discuss that cue, or the cuemaker, or the price, or whatever and eventually the post becomes hijacked. You have the for sale section, and a cue gallery, ask the cuemaker, and cue making machinery, would it KILL them to add a cue discussion section over there? I have lobbied for this ad nauseum and it would take away form all the noise on the W/FS section.
In the right place you discuss the market, the cue makers, pricing, etc.. without disturbing the original FS post.

JV

The only reason I said anything is because similar problems were happening on those other forums. The mods/owners got tired of getting complaints and decided that this was the best way to make the majority of members happy.
They also made businesses pay to continue selling. Which is only fair since the businesses use their site simply for profit. The ones who paid were given some kind of ad space.

I like the suggestion that was made about the OP being able to approve of comments on their For Sale threads. Kinda like Ebay.
The Forum software would have to support these things, and since this site is free they may not be willing to make such dramatic changes. That would be a good question for the owners

Just trying to help...

 

[Michael Webb]

Pissing up a post is the same as pissing in front of a fan, either way, you get wet and smell funny.

 

[ridewiththewind]

Pissing up a post is the same as pissing in front of a fan, either way, you get wet and smell funny.

LoL, Mike....too funny!

Lisa

 

[ridewiththewind]

I agree that a separate 'area' for these types of discussions has been long over-due. Too often lately, it seems, a FS thread becomes this long multi-page discussion of either the pricing, the cuemaker, or the seller's practices...as well as the condition of said FS item.

It has gotten to the point where I just 'scan' the Wanted/For Sale section to see if there is anything of interest, and rarely move beyond the initial post. If you do not post pics in the initial post, then I am going to move on...I have little patience for someone posting a FS thread and then telling me that they'll post the pics at a later time....just wait until you have the pics before you post!

I have also grown extremely weary of the 'Feeler' threads...seriously. Do your homework, and figure out the item's value based on that homework. If the pricing is too high, you'll figure it out pretty quickly...and if it was too low, well, live and learn.

Not only do I feel that locking down the thread would be a good idea, but I feel that the rules should require that one list a price. This is not an auction site, so post what you would like to get for an item. This 'feeler' crap is for the birds. The only reason anyone would handle a transaction in this way is because they are too lazy to do the homework, and haven't got a clue...or, they are hoping that a prospective buyer hasn't done their homework, and they're gonna see how high they can push the price. Just post a friggin' price and be done with it!

Also...I believe that all offers should be handles via PM. This will help avoid someone getting all 'butt-hurt' because they think they should have first crack at an item simply because they felt they they were the first to post to the thread their interest in the item. The bottom line here is...the item belongs to the seller until money has exchanged hands, and they should be able to sell that item to whomever they wish...not just because one thinks they got the first response in.

All of the above are examples of that which tends to infiltrate the FS ads currently being posted here. Let's clean-up and streamline the Wanted/For Sale section, and move the discussions elsewhere!

Lisa

 

[manwon]

I agree that a separate 'area' for these types of discussions has been long over-due. Too often lately, it seems, a FS thread becomes this long multi-page discussion of either the pricing, the cuemaker, or the seller's practices...as well as the condition of said FS item.

It has gotten to the point where I just 'scan' the Wanted/For Sale section to see if there is anything of interest, and rarely move beyond the initial post. If you do not post pics in the initial post, then I am going to move on...I have little patience for someone posting a FS thread and then telling me that they'll post the pics at a later time....just wait until you have the pics before you post!

I have also grown extremely weary of the 'Feeler' threads...seriously. Do your homework, and figure out the item's value based on that homework. If the pricing is too high, you'll figure it out pretty quickly...and if it was too low, well, live and learn.

Not only do I feel that locking down the thread would be a good idea, but I feel that the rules should require that one list a price. This is not an auction site, so post what you would like to get for an item. This 'feeler' crap is for the birds. The only reason anyone would handle a transaction in this way is because they are too lazy to do the homework, and haven't got a clue...or, they are hoping that a prospective buyer hasn't done their homework, and they're gonna see how high they can push the price. Just post a friggin' price and be done with it!

Also...I believe that all offers should be handles via PM. This will help avoid someone getting all 'butt-hurt' because they think they should have first crack at an item simply because they felt they they were the first to post to the thread their interest in the item. The bottom line here is...the item belongs to the seller until money has exchanged hands, and they should be able to sell that item to whomever they wish...not just because one thinks they got the first response in.

All of the above are examples of that which tends to infiltrate the FS ads currently being posted here. Let's clean-up and streamline the Wanted/For Sale section, and move the discussions elsewhere!

Lisa

Lisa you said 'butt-hurt' now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ridewiththewind]

Lisa you said 'butt-hurt' now that is funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad I could make someone smile, Craig.

 

[runscott]

...They over hype every post where any subject is approached that resembles the product or their Icon of greatness....This I think is wrong, because it presents things in a light other than they really are.

Craig - I agree with all of what you said. I quoted the above because a lot of the people who moan about people pissing on other's posts, don't seem to get this point. When someone says "What a beauty! This won't last long!" for a cue that is overpriced by 50%, how can you blame a more-informed forum member for responding with "what, are you nuts?".

Like you say, this is a free forum on the internet - if you are going to hype your own cue at inflated prices, or make ridiculous statements, the price you pay is perhaps having someone else on the forum introduce some reality. That's not much of a price for free ads.