Poll - Pissing up a post

[leehayes]

Craig - I agree with all of what you said. I quoted the above because a lot of the people who moan about people pissing on other's posts, don't seem to get this point. When someone says "What a beauty! This won't last long!" for a cue that is overpriced by 50%, how can you blame a more-informed forum member for responding with "what, are you nuts?".

Like you say, this is a free forum on the internet - if you are going to hype your own cue at inflated prices, or make ridiculous statements, the price you pay is perhaps having someone else on the forum introduce some reality. That's not much of a price for free ads.

Amen.........I have lot's of stuff to sell if you'd like...want me to tell you how great it is? No one has had the chance to shoot with every cue that's out there and it is helpful to hear comments about things that weren't liked about products...or even were liked. I hate being ripped off by unscrupulous people...we're all adults...we can read through the crap.

 

[Wallace Bettes]

Funny ya, The hole danged smells funny,Ya

 

[manwon]

Craig - I agree with all of what you said. I quoted the above because a lot of the people who moan about people pissing on other's posts, don't seem to get this point. When someone says "What a beauty! This won't last long!" for a cue that is overpriced by 50%, how can you blame a more-informed forum member for responding with "what, are you nuts?".

Like you say, this is a free forum on the INTERNET - if you are going to hype your own cue at inflated prices, or make ridiculous statements, the price you pay is perhaps having someone else on the forum introduce some reality. That's not much of a price for free ads.

Scott, thanks for the kind words. But please let me add this about the hype!! I really think there are individuals paying others, either through discounts or free items to post this Crap. I have heard rumor's recently that certain sellers are contacting individuals and offering these things just to hype a product in post after post after post!!!!!! Now, I am a simple soldier and I suspect that if this is true, there products either have something wrong with them or they are not quite as advertised!!!!

Now, like Lisa would say, I hope no one gets BUTT HURT by my comments, but if the shoe fits wear it, and please give us all a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[masonh]

i have heard the same rumors Craig.

 

[ribdoner]

me three........

 

[VonRhett]

me four....

 

[manwon]

What Happened to the guy that started this thread, I hope whoever they are they are doing ok!!!!!!!!!

 

[GoTulane]

Thanks Craig

Yes, I am doing just fine. A little coffee and a good night's sleep after a hard day at work, and I am back on track. Just wanted to see other's opinions about what I have seen around here recently on AZB. Really like the idea of another area dedicated to Cue Talk, which will help to limit the amount of thread hijacks on tangents that do not deserve to be listed in someone's for sale thread. But I also think a couple good points were made about helping someone's thread, and how that is not always bad. My belief- If the cue is overpriced, nobody will buy it, and if a newbee buys it, well... you have to live and learn - we all had to learn this lesson at one time or another, including myself. Hey, don't rain on somebody else's good fortune, if they sell a cue at a premium, when you cannot, and BS sales tactics can be seen by everybody, so pointing them out only shows your A$$. Too many Cue Pimps and Playa haters around here, but that is what gives entertainment to the board. Wouldn't change it for the world, because it can be quite enjoyable most days.
Thanks for all the responses.


Michael

 

[RRfireblade]

I think it goes both ways , well maybe 3 ways.

1) Poster Fan Boys
2) Poster Haters
3) and those who dont want to see others get ripped off and have enough info to make a better choice.

Maybe 4 then -

4) Gosh dang " I know it all", "I got a better deal than you" , "My opinion is the last word on the planet" . . . rope pissers.

 

[BPG24]

I think it goes both ways , well maybe 3 ways.

1) Poster Fan Boys
2) Poster Haters
3) and those who dont want to see others get ripped off and have enough info to make a better choice.

Maybe 4 then -

4) Gosh dang " I know it all", "I got a better deal than you" , "My opinion is the last word on the planet" . . . rope pissers.

that sums it up pretty well from where I sit

 

[alstl]

Completely new here, but I've frequented a few other forums directed at other interests, and the classifieds are almost always the same. The signal-to-noise ratio is ludicrously low. Chatter everywhere that has nearly-or-nothing to do with the intended sale. A snowboard forum I frequent is notorious for that. Hoardes of tire-kickers spouting off about the price, the condition, blah blah blah with zero intention of buying.

solution: I ignore them.

I hear those Scruggs snowboards are the best.

 

[runscott]

My belief- If the cue is overpriced, nobody will buy it, and if a newbee buys it, well... you have to live and learn - we all had to learn this lesson at one time or another, including myself. Hey, don't rain on somebody else's good fortune, if they sell a cue at a premium, when you cannot, and BS sales tactics can be seen by everybody, so pointing them out only shows your A$$.

Every man for himself - The de-evolution of AZ Billiards from a community, to a forum of thousands of individuals taking each other for whatever they can.

Thanks for summing this up for us Michael.

 

[alstl]

Have you noticed there has been an influx of poseurs, I mean posters, that believe they are "Adding Value" to other people's posts, when truly they are just pissing on somebody's post. Or is it just me? These well-informed posters don't want to buy your cue/case/etc., but they want to make their voice heard about your price, sales method, hair color, etc, too all others who look at your post, because they have that right. These people have too much time on their hands, allowing them to post negative, detrimental, and unflattering words about your post, though they do not know you or truly what you are posting. I am talking about those people who make specific comments without support of any kind to show their view as TRUE. To me it seems to be getting worse everyday and with every new post I read. What is your opinion on this??

Just thought this would be an interesting post to get people talking, and see other's views. I guess I have too much time on my hands, and a lot of pent-up aggression.

So let me know what you think.....

There may be some of that but I see a lot more of "Man, I've played with that cue and it's the best hitting cue I've ever had, plus it is in perfect condition. What an incredible bargain".

I've purchased two cues via the internet and both had major problems. To start with they were both warped. In both cases the seller told me they were straight. In a third instance I tried to buy a cue on this forum and the transaction got so screwed up that I canceled it and let the seller keep the $50 I had sent him for "earnest money". It isn't just a sellers forum, it is also a buyers forum. If somebody knows about a problem with a cue which you are considering buying wouldn't you like to know about it? In my case I am extremely reluctant to buy a cue here because of my experience and that hurts the honest sellers. You let the less honorable people and their buddies hype junk to people and it hurts the honest sellers.

 

[GoTulane]

Hmmm...

Every man for himself - The de-evolution of AZ Billiards from a community, to a forum of thousands of individuals taking each other for whatever they can.

Thanks for summing this up for us Michael.

Well, I believe that was your SUMMARY of my statement, but to each his own. Hey, Life is about living and learning, otherwise nobody would grow. That is how a person and a community grows. You learn from mistakes, and hopefully you change and grow from the experience. In a community, people can have different ideas and opinions - THAT is what makes it evolve - the interacting of those ideas. Didn't say every man for himself, just stated that too many people want to attack one's sale/post for their OWN agenda, and IMHO - IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF HELPING THE LITTLE MAN OUT. But once again we might agree to disagree. So be it! You say straight, I say it has roll out. When it comes down to it, we are all individuals.

Michael

 

[GoTulane]

yes! and a new section idea

There may be some of that but I see a lot more of "Man, I've played with that cue and it's the best hitting cue I've ever had, plus it is in perfect condition. What an incredible bargain".

I've purchased two cues via the internet and both had major problems. To start with they were both warped. In both cases the seller told me they were straight. In a third instance I tried to buy a cue on this forum and the transaction got so screwed up that I canceled it and let the seller keep the $50 I had sent him for "earnest money". It isn't just a sellers forum, it is also a buyers forum. If somebody knows about a problem with a cue which you are considering buying wouldn't you like to know about it? In my case I am extremely reluctant to buy a cue here because of my experience and that hurts the honest sellers. You let the less honorable people and their buddies hype junk to people and it hurts the honest sellers.

YEs, if somebody has definite knowledge of an error in a listing on condition, or quality of the specific cue or specific dealings THEY have had with the poster, then I think - POST AWAY. But to just POST to give one's opinion on a style of cue that is not substantiated or proven to be a truth is wrong, unless the Original Poster asks for that kind of input. JMHO.

Maybe a new section for AZB called PEANUT GALLERY???

Michael

 

[runscott]

Well, I believe that was your SUMMARY of my statement, but to each his own. Hey, Life is about living and learning, otherwise nobody would grow. That is how a person and a community grows. You learn from mistakes, and hopefully you change and grow from the experience. In a community, people can have different ideas and opinions - THAT is what makes it evolve - the interacting of those ideas. Didn't say every man for himself, just stated that too many people want to attack one's sale/post for their OWN agenda, and IMHO - IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF HELPING THE LITTLE MAN OUT. But once again we might agree to disagree. So be it! You say straight, I say it has roll out. When it comes down to it, we are all individuals.

Michael

Good luck Michael.

 

[pwd72s]

There are always posters represented by this...

 

[runscott]

There are always posters represented by this...

Certainly true, just as there will always be those who picture themselves as the the guy on the right, handing down their unquestionable wisdom to their tiny board-member flock.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/God2-Sistine_Chapel.png

 

[manwon]

Yes, I am doing just fine. A little coffee and a good night's sleep after a hard day at work, and I am back on track. Just wanted to see other's opinions about what I have seen around here recently on AZB. Really like the idea of another area dedicated to Cue Talk, which will help to limit the amount of thread hijacks on tangents that do not deserve to be listed in someone's for sale thread. But I also think a couple good points were made about helping someone's thread, and how that is not always bad. My belief- If the cue is overpriced, nobody will buy it, and if a newbee buys it, well... you have to live and learn - we all had to learn this lesson at one time or another, including myself. Hey, don't rain on somebody else's good fortune, if they sell a cue at a premium, when you cannot, and BS sales tactics can be seen by everybody, so pointing them out only shows your A$$. Too many Cue Pimps and Playa haters around here, but that is what gives entertainment to the board. Wouldn't change it for the world, because it can be quite enjoyable most days.
Thanks for all the responses.


Michael

I am glad to here everything is going well Michael!! However I have to disagree with the following statement (My belief- If the cue is overpriced, nobody will buy it, and if a newbee buys it, well... you have to live and learn - we all had to learn this lesson at one time or another, including myself) Michael, I suspect on an even playing field this maybe OK to some extent, however, when you have individuals paying others to hype their items in every like post, I have to draw the line.
At this point advertising becomes intentional deceptionand it prevents the unknowing buyer from making a an informed decision. I suspect that the individuals doing all this cheering, go as far as to Pm others privately and mislead them further. I have never understood, why some people will get down on their knee's so easily.

Micheal, I know for fact that their are certain individuals on this forum who will pay any price to stop someone from exposing their devious business practices. The reason they are so concerned is mainly because this forum is the main sales vehicle for their products, and if someone exposed them they would lose their perceived edge. Now we all know who this is, and I also think it is the responsibility of senior members on this forum to help the so called new members out so that they are not deceived, by this Bull $hit. I think people have two choices, you can sit on the fence and watch, or you can try to help end the problems. Micheal, I think those that sit on the fence, and do nothing are also part of the problem, if they are aware there is a problem in the first place.

This is a great forum, and I think the people who care about these issues far out number those who do not, and those who are creating the deceptive environment. What I would say, is that for those in question your days are numbered, because the time is coming when you will be exposed. For Lisa, I hope this post is not the cause of someone being BUTT HURT, Holly Crap that is funny!!!

Just my thoughts, have a good day Micheal

 

[runscott]

... I also think it is the responsibility of senior members on this forum to help the so called new members out so that they are not deceived, by this Bull $hit.

Craig, if we were cavemen and I invented the wheel, I'd just leave your sorry @ss carrying stuff on your back. You could re-invent the wheel. It would be the best way for you to learn.