Pool -- a very male dominated sport (in the wake of Cubc and OMGWTF's matchup)

Peer said:
Flex, how old are you..?

-- peer
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My age should be irrelevant to this discussion. Unless some sort of passive-aggressive put down is coming. I wonder if you subscribe to the theory that white males above some particular age are racist. Do you subscribe to that theory?

Flex
 
bud green said:
As far as "here in the United States" goes, I've worked with a couple girls who travelled in Europe and guys came up and grabbed their crotch like it wasn't a big deal.

They both wish they had guns on them when it happened.

I think human nature is basically the same everywhere. Get 10 guys in a room with a pretty girl and at least 3 of them will make asses out of themselves before too long. In a bar, pool hall, classroom, internet forum or wherever.

Look at how the TAR forum went when any girl got in the booth.
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Exactly, it isn't a US thing. As a matter of fact, I think the US is vastly more enlightened than more of the world than it is behind.
 
GG11 said:
Joey plays jam up pool!!! Don't feel that you blew the lead. Someone of Joey's level can easily run racks and beat a deficit. Glad you could make it out to play. I was the blonde signing everyone up! :)

Will you be making it to anymore events?
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I remember you! I was the Irish guy ( I think the only one there) you guys laughed when I put myself in as an 'A' player and didn't try to get in cheaper. This is busy time for me so I am not playing any pool but in the summer I might get out a little bit. I had a great time that day, could have played better but whadda ya gonna do!
 
Peer said:
Well, your juvenile "questions" sound a bit like that; juvenile.

-- peer
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Hmmm... juvenile, huh?

Let's just say that I passed the 50 year mark some time ago.

Now, since that's out of the way, do you believe in the theory that if someone's white they are by definition racist?

Flex
 
This thread has started to get real interesting, with pictures from my home :)

Regarding what's written in some of the posts, the language is so difficult. Why use those words that no one can understand? I am using 10 minutes to read one post, because I have to take a look in the dictionary every second word... :D

JoeyA: You will never get hcp from me. I have never played one-pocket, I don't even know the rules. Is it the game where it doesn't matter if I shoot the 8 early in the game?

JoeyA: You should definitely try to forgive Marcus, he has tons of great stories. I once heard a story he told me about a clown in New Orleans which he hustled for 900 $ in one-pocket! Man, I laughed for hours of that story. That guy must be such a clown, he didn't know what hit him...

So, what city do you live in? I don't think you mentioned it? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
raybo147 said:
I remember you! I was the Irish guy ( I think the only one there) you guys laughed when I put myself in as an 'A' player and didn't try to get in cheaper. This is busy time for me so I am not playing any pool but in the summer I might get out a little bit. I had a great time that day, could have played better but whadda ya gonna do!
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You're one of a few who doesn't try and sandbag so thank you!!

Hope we see you soon!!!
 
Flex said:
Hmmm... juvenile, huh? Let's just say that I passed the 50 year mark some time ago. Now, since that's out of the way, do you believe in the theory that if someone's white they are by definition racist?
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Well, I actually think that question is quite juvenile.

I also happen to think this question from you is juvenile:
"There are college courses these days that teach that to be white necessarily means one is racist. Do you subscribe to that theory?"

And I believe this question from you is juvenile too:
"I wonder if you subscribe to the theory that white males above some particular age are racist. Do you subscribe to that theory?"

I also happen to think it's juvenile to proudly quote someone like Michael Medved and not see that he's an offensive bigot:
"The idea of a distinctive, unifying, risk-taking American DNA might also help to explain our most persistent and painful racial divide - between the progeny of every immigrant nationality that chose to come here, and the one significant group that exercised no choice in making their journey to the U.S. Nothing in the horrific ordeal of African slaves, seized from their homes against their will, reflected a genetic predisposition to risk-taking, or any sort of self-selection based on personality traits."

Again, related to you and Mr. Medved, I'll quote myself from the initial post of this thread, the one you were so "offended" by:
"When I initially saw Cubc going off on OMGWTF, to me it just revived this not-often-talked-about misogynistic and racist mindset which I think is quite prevalent here in the states."

And for the record, I also think it's juvenile to tell me that you'll be praying for me simply because I pointed out that I believe women aren't treated well and that racism in this country is quite prevalent. But I'll promise to pray back at you, (how classy isn't that ;^)

-- peer
 
JoeyA said:
The human race is filled with prejudices. It is what we do with those prejudices that matters. Racism is in every ethnic group on the planet.
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That is a serious nugget of wisdom right there.
 
Peer said:
Well, I actually think that question is quite juvenile.

I also happen to think this question from you is juvenile:
"There are college courses these days that teach that to be white necessarily means one is racist. Do you subscribe to that theory?"

And I believe this question from you is juvenile too:
"I wonder if you subscribe to the theory that white males above some particular age are racist. Do you subscribe to that theory?"

I also happen to think it's juvenile to proudly quote someone like Michael Medved and not see that he's an offensive bigot:
"The idea of a distinctive, unifying, risk-taking American DNA might also help to explain our most persistent and painful racial divide - between the progeny of every immigrant nationality that chose to come here, and the one significant group that exercised no choice in making their journey to the U.S. Nothing in the horrific ordeal of African slaves, seized from their homes against their will, reflected a genetic predisposition to risk-taking, or any sort of self-selection based on personality traits."

Again, related to you and Mr. Medved, I'll quote myself from the initial post of this thread, the one you were so "offended" by:
"When I initially saw Cubc going off on OMGWTF, to me it just revived this not-often-talked-about misogynistic and racist mindset which I think is quite prevalent here in the states."

And for the record, I also think it's juvenile to tell me that you'll be praying for me simply because I pointed out that I believe women aren't treated well and that racism in this country is quite prevalent. But I'll promise to pray back at you, (how classy isn't that ;^)

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My oh my... you never cease to amaze me, Peer.

I've always wondered how secure those are who in their signature place a link that tells us all about them. I suppose in a world where people often feel they don't matter that it is an attempt to let others know they are important, at least in their own eyes. This isn't a scientific forum, nor a professional one; it's a frickin' pool forum.

I've also always wondered why posters like you feel the need to throw obvious, ad hominem insults around, for instance the "juvenile" one. Perhaps it's a simple defense mechanism, and masks some inferiority complex of their own. I really don't know, as I'm not a psychologist, or psychiatrist, or even guru, for that matter.

As for your attempt to classify my questions as juvenile, I assure you they are nothing of the sort, as there are college courses here in the US that teach, or should I rather say, purport to teach/propose/show that if someone is white then they are by definition racist. That's why I asked the question of you: to ascertain whether you place yourself in their community. Actually, you didn't really answer my question, but resorted to the rhetorical device of ridicule, or sarcasm, or whatever, to dodge the question.

All that said, it seems to me that you probably think that if someone is white they are by definition racist.

Peer, it's up to you now to either ignore this post, or deal with that question. If you choose to ignore it, at least some of the forum members will know how to draw an appropriate conclusion.

Flex

P.S. Thank you for the prayers; we all need them.
 
Flex said:
Peer, it's up to you now to either ignore this post, or deal with that question. If you choose to ignore it, at least some of the forum members will know how to draw an appropriate conclusion.
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I hope they will.

-- peer
 
phoebe choy said:
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It's one thing for a girl to be playing/shooting and have guys ogling/staring and thinking stuff, than guys ogling/staring and saying what they are thinking and maybe even trying to get physical.

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As my aunt always said about my uncle... when he stops looking throw dirt over his face, he's dead. It is human nature, but we have hopefully developed culturally to a point where that nature does not get manifested in physical ways. It is one thing to desire, another to impose oneself on another person.
 
Peer said:
Although I might be a bit more educated than the average person, I'm sure you, "yobagua", know more about American history than I, (yet, I'm currently working on some stuff related to the old frontiers). However, my comment wasn't in regards to American historical figures and their achievements, but more about the current mindset of the people here, the forum members who so avidly protested and felt "insulted" when I said; "When I initially saw Cubc going off on OMGWTF, to me it just revived this not-often-talked-about misogynistic and racist mindset which I think is quite prevalent here in the states."

You see this is why I posted what I did about Nordic countries and people. I said it was prejudiced and from a limited experience. Your assumptions about the people on AZ or America is not based on scientific fact but assumptions and prejudiced ones. I dont care how intelligent you are but you are an outsider. Speaking from an outsiders point of view. Just like I am speaking about Swedes, Finns, Norwegians, Danes etc.
The thing is I agree with you totally about racism and misogeny but I dont exclude myself from being part of it. You do. The thing I dont agree with is you label us, Americans, so. I think racism and sexism pervades throughout the world. And the only way to deal with it is to recognize it. And you fail to do so. Unless it is true your country is devoid of it? You yourself ae showing xenophobia by thinking so.
I tried to give you an example of Nordic people's being cold, unfeeling, therefore being nits, wont gamble unless they have the nuts, and think they are better than you are when they are doing it. Well thats ridiculous isnt it? But if I base it on Mika and Marcus would I be correct in saying so. No I dont believe it. Just as I dont believe that all Norwegians think they are better than us Americans based on your postings. There are some exceptions to the rule I believe.
So as an outsider give us the benefit of the doubt. Be generous unlike the usual cold country people and think before you judge.
And one more thing about racism and sexism, it does not only appear in HATE for a race or gender but the ADORATION of it too. The kind of adoration that wants to covet it and own it. The kind that sees all Asian women as goddesses and perfect servants and cute little passive China Dolls. We Asian brothers call that Yellow Fever. A sickness of adoration like hate will only lead you to doom. Red Reps expected now.
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lodini said:
No one is saying that all guys are pigs. I am glad to hear that there are some guys out there that don't think a girl walking into a pool hall means that they are automatically going to get lucky tonight! LOL. But I can tell you from experience, your kind in a pool hall is the minority.;)
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At my age, all I want is a girl walking in is to consider me worthy of taking a second look before she dismisses me as not worthy. :D
 
Peer,

I must have missed the response to my declaration that you:

B!tch and complain no matter where you are in the world, and generally bring dislike upon yourself through your incessantly negative attitude.

Furthermore, I must ask you this. If America is SO bad, why are you here? Note: I am not saying "Love it or leave it." That is not my purpose in asking why you are here.

I am simply asking what is your particular reason for being here.

I have noticed that a lot of Europeans are quick to criticize America's rampant capitalism, for example, but give them an opportunity to come over to the U.S. to go to school, and they are QUICK to jump at the chance.

I'd be interested in finding some statistics on how many modern Europeans come over to the U.S. and end up starting a business here. I can honestly say I have never seen a European-owned (recently immigrated) small business. I am sure they are out there, but I personally have never seen one.

I am curious as to why this is. Business in Europe, even with the struggling dollar, is dwarfed by the behemoth that is the American business environment. I think a lot of Europeans are so inured, so dependent on their socialist support systems, that they have been totally disassociated with the idea of making your own way in the world.

I think this is the reason for a lot of European criticism against America. There is a total disconnect between European and America thinking. Americans by and large believe in dragging one's arse off the couch, and going out there, and MAKING your own success in the world.

Europeans, by and large, believe that those who are wealthy, should contribute to the welfare of those "less fortunate".

And the idea of "less fortunate" is where the rub is. Europeans by and large seen those who make less money as "less fortunate". Americans see them as "less hardworking". This is why American business dwarfs the European scene.

Back to the topic at hand. I think so many Europeans have been taught to hate American's way of life so much, that they develop this sense of elitism. This causes some of these Europeans to "look down" on everything American.

And Peer is merely the most glaring example of this, here on the forum.

Russ
 
Russ, buddy, calm down. The Europeans like to forget where we got Racism, Sexism, Xenophobia, from. It was them. They taught it to us. We just embellished it. Why do you think there are a lot of Indonesian restaurants in Holland. Because the Dutch went there and stole their resources. Why do you think the Filipinos speak spanish? Africans in Guinea Bissau speak Portuguese. They dont speak Greek, Chinese, or Samoan. No the Euro's started it and they like disowning it now. And come off acting better than us sticking their noses up at us. Sore losers!
Hey we as a people give a lot to the world too. Im not talking about our government. But the American people are some of the most generous people in the world. We send our dollars to lots of people more unfortunate than us in medical and food aid. We as a people got nothing to be ashamed of. Maybe we cant be so proud of our representatives but we are constantly fighting for a change. And that is why we are so dynamic. We are not stagnant. We are constantly reinventing ourselves. Its in our history as children of revolutionists. Its in our Declarations that we need to constantly reinterpret. We dont stand on this moral high ground that keeps us still like statues to the past that the Euros so admire but we are constantly changing for the better.
 
Russ Chewning said:
Peer,

I must have missed the response to my declaration that you:

B!tch and complain no matter where you are in the world, and generally bring dislike upon yourself through your incessantly negative attitude.

Furthermore, I must ask you this. If America is SO bad, why are you here? Note: I am not saying "Love it or leave it." That is not my purpose in asking why you are here.

I am simply asking what is your particular reason for being here.

I have noticed that a lot of Europeans are quick to criticize America's rampant capitalism, for example, but give them an opportunity to come over to the U.S. to go to school, and they are QUICK to jump at the chance.

I'd be interested in finding some statistics on how many modern Europeans come over to the U.S. and end up starting a business here. I can honestly say I have never seen a European-owned (recently immigrated) small business. I am sure they are out there, but I personally have never seen one.

I am curious as to why this is. Business in Europe, even with the struggling dollar, is dwarfed by the behemoth that is the American business environment. I think a lot of Europeans are so inured, so dependent on their socialist support systems, that they have been totally disassociated with the idea of making your own way in the world.

I think this is the reason for a lot of European criticism against America. There is a total disconnect between European and America thinking. Americans by and large believe in dragging one's arse off the couch, and going out there, and MAKING your own success in the world.

Europeans, by and large, believe that those who are wealthy, should contribute to the welfare of those "less fortunate".

And the idea of "less fortunate" is where the rub is. Europeans by and large seen those who make less money as "less fortunate". Americans see them as "less hardworking". This is why American business dwarfs the European scene.

Back to the topic at hand. I think so many Europeans have been taught to hate American's way of life so much, that they develop this sense of elitism. This causes some of these Europeans to "look down" on everything American.

And Peer is merely the most glaring example of this, here on the forum.

Russ
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People living in Europe are grandchildren of those who weren't smart enough to get on the boats to America. Kind of says it all ;-)
 
"People living in Europe are grandchildren of those who weren't smart enough to get on the boats to America. Kind of says it all ;-)"
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There you go again demeaning yourself. LOL! I hope you take what I say tongue in cheek. I dont know a thing about your beautiful country. I do know some great films and plays come from your region. But I dont think we Americans are solitaire when it comes to negative things. Nor do I think we are the cause of all of it.
I know you to be a very nice guy. Especially having a sweat bet with me. Which I hope we can continue. (But Im telling you right now I am betting on Feijen if he ever meets up with John Schmidt. Sorry John but its my cashizzle.) I just wanted to say that I do enjoy your posts and humanity.
 
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