Pool Eras

Do you recall what happened between the 60s to 70s that ushered in that switch to 9-ball? Did it simply become more popular organically due to road players introducing it to locals? Or was something more organized occurring?

Dyer's books touch on this. I think when Willie retired in 1957 (due to stroke) and Brunswick took a big break from sponsoring tournaments, it created an opening for other games to rise. As noted by other comments below, other games were more popular already outside big cities.
 
Everyone who knew Geese has a million stories about him, but here's my favorite: late one Saturday afternoon at Randolph Hills, a road player showed up and wanted to play some one pocket. Geese maybe had twenty bucks to his name at that point, but after trying to get a totally unnecessary spot, he agreed to play one of those "nobody gets hurt" $20 games. The road player was looking for bigger stakes, but he reluctantly agreed.

Of course the road player turned out to be a certified shortstop at best, and Geese beat him like a drum, one game after another by 8-0, 8-1, 8 to -2, and so on. You get the idea. It was like watching Eddie Taylor playing Ray Charles. So after about 8 or 10 games of this, Geese agreed to give him a ball. Mighty generous of him, since he was playing with the other guy's bankroll. :p

But here's the kicker: After letting the guy win the first game by a ball, Geese pulled up, said something about "too much seesaw", and then said he had to get to "a doctor's appointment"----which by then was around 8:30 on a Saturday night! I mean talk about cold! But that was our Geese!
 
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Would you guys break this up? If so, how?

1920s-1960s: Golden Era
> Greenleaf, Mosconi, Crane, Lassiter, Moore

Was the first decline of pool just during the 50s? Or was it from the 40s-50s? In other words was Mosconi's primary domination pretty much throughout an industry slump. I'm feeling like maybe labeling an era "Golden Era" is just rose colored glasses and not defining of the time period.

Maybe this...?
1921-40: Straight Pool Era (Greenleaf, Rudolph, Caras)
1941-60: First Decline Era (Mosconi, Crane, Moore)
 
Would you guys break this up? If so, how?

1920s-1960s: Golden Era
> Greenleaf, Mosconi, Crane, Lassiter, Moore

Was the first decline of pool just during the 50s? Or was it from the 40s-50s? In other words was Mosconi's primary domination pretty much throughout an industry slump. I'm feeling like maybe labeling an era "Golden Era" is just rose colored glasses and not defining of the time period.

Maybe this...?
1921-40: Straight Pool Era (Greenleaf, Rudolph, Caras)
1941-60: First Decline Era (Mosconi, Crane, Moore)

Professional pool died during the great depression and then picked up before WW2, then had some popularity in the post war years before Brunswick gave up in the late 50s.

And earlier, carom games dominated the press between 1870ish and the late 1910s.

The Billiard Encyclopedia (and my book) both have more content on this era.
 
Would you guys break this up? If so, how?

1920s-1960s: Golden Era
> Greenleaf, Mosconi, Crane, Lassiter, Moore

Was the first decline of pool just during the 50s? Or was it from the 40s-50s? In other words was Mosconi's primary domination pretty much throughout an industry slump. I'm feeling like maybe labeling an era "Golden Era" is just rose colored glasses and not defining of the time period.

Maybe this...?
1921-40: Straight Pool Era (Greenleaf, Rudolph, Caras)
1941-60: First Decline Era (Mosconi, Crane, Moore)
1921-40 was certainly a golden era for pool

Post war 45 to 61 was a downturn for pool as baby boomers were too young and post WWII guys were rebuilding their lives

61 up to later 60s was certainly boom time for pool across the U.S. - both new pool rooms and home table installations exploded.

Vietnam war put a damper on available players for local rooms and by early 70s more than half the rooms opened in the 60s had closed

Color of Money - 86 timeframe- by late 80s rooms were opening everywhere again
 
Would you guys break this up? If so, how?

1920s-1960s: Golden Era
> Greenleaf, Mosconi, Crane, Lassiter, Moore

Was the first decline of pool just during the 50s? Or was it from the 40s-50s? In other words was Mosconi's primary domination pretty much throughout an industry slump. I'm feeling like maybe labeling an era "Golden Era" is just rose colored glasses and not defining of the time period.

Maybe this...?
1921-40: Straight Pool Era (Greenleaf, Rudolph, Caras)
1941-60: First Decline Era (Mosconi, Crane, Moore)
The first big pool decline was in the 1930's, and it continued on up to the revival after The Hustler. The reason for its decline during the Depression was pretty obvious: The suckers were broke and the hustlers were mostly just recirculating each other's money.

Not to mention that most pool room owners simply couldn't afford the rent. In his book Hustlers, Beats and Others, Ned Polsky cites figures that estimate that before the stock market crash, there were between 4000 and 5000 pool rooms in New York City alone, but by 1961 that number was down to 257. This pattern was repeated elsewhere.
 
shoot out 9 ball had been around for a long time before texas express
That's correct. That was the original style of playing the game. I have a fond memory in the late 70s of being at Gold Crown Billiards in New London CT. at an early 9 ball tournament. For those who recall the room, the owners were Sy and Dolly Eckstadt. It was probably the first major 9 ball tournament held in the East, and they played one shot shootout rules. It took so long during that 3-day weekend tournament that matches would go until dawn the next day with barely a break to start the next day's matches. That format wasn't going to work for tournaments. All the greats were there and we had fun trying to figure out if David Howard kept one foot on the floor during his explosive break or if both feet left the ground. We couldn't tell exactly, but we think both feet left the ground but we'd never say just so we could continue to watch him break.

Meanwhile, John McChesney and the Texas contingent had also come to that realization that shootout took too long for tournaments and were working out their Texas Express rules. Right around the same time, Allen Hopkins and Co in the East were coming up with the Eastern version of Texas Express rules, which he called Tournament Rules which were slightly different than Texas Express rules.
 
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The first big pool decline was in the 1930's, and it continued on up to the revival after The Hustler. The reason for its decline during the Depression was pretty obvious: The suckers were broke and the hustlers were mostly just recirculating each other's money.

Not to mention that most pool room owners simply couldn't afford the rent. In his book Hustlers, Beats and Others, Ned Polsky cites figures that estimate that before the stock market crash, there were between 4000 and 5000 pool rooms in New York City alone, but by 1961 that number was down to 257. This pattern was repeated elsewhere.
Less number of pool rooms doesn't necessarily mean a decline. They existed mostly in poor neighborhoods where that was all many people could afford to do. As people became more prosperous, many of the old dives closed up but newer ones that were of a higher quality opened up as well.
 
When I started playing in the mid-60's in the DC area, the only two games anyone gambled on, at least on 9 ft. tables, were 9 ball and one pocket. Straight pool and 8 ball were completely off the radar. For whatever reason, the best local 9 ball players (like Gumphrey) were usually White, while the best local one pocket players (like Strawberry) were more often Black.

And the most serious money before Jack 'n' Jill arrived in 1968 was usually bet on one pocket. The most notorious drug dealer in Washington, Lawrence "Slippery" Jackson, once dropped $100,000 in cash in a one pocket match at the old Guys and Dolls, and then later returned and won back $30,000 of it.
I still play in the DC area and your 9-ball/1p observations are still true, though the best 1p folks are out in Prince George's County now days. I grew up playing in Newport News Va, similar dynamic with 1p, and 9 ball. Where I live in DC, 9 ball, or 8 ball are the only real option. Maybe we can start a campaign to get white folks more into 1p.
 
ESPN, the first major sports-only TV network in American history, came into existence in September 1979. At first, it was chiefly a sports news network, but in the early 1980s, it evolved into a showcase for a wide variety of sports. While pool had occasionally found some airtime on major network TV (for example, on ABC Wide World of Sports), the possibilities for presentation of pool on TV grew substantially with the inception of ESPN. In the early days of ESPN, many second-tier sports found airtime on the not yet high budget ESPN, and pool was among them. Suddenly, pro pool had to be modified to become more suitable for television, and pool's powerbrokers decided that Texas Express style nine ball was their best shot because it was fast paced and easy to follow.

Ah, those were the days.
Also during the earlier years, Frank McGowan pro pool player, great 14.1 player teamed up with La Montana Billiards.
They produced their own line of tables had 8' too, all with gold cloth.
Start up, they built new pool rooms with great layouts....seating that overlooked play with great bar/grille set ups.
There's one still up/running in Fountain CO, great room.

There was also a high run TV event during the 50's ??

Position Play for High Runs????? Might of been the name.
 
Here’s my attempt at it.. (EDIT: Version 3)

1850-1870s: American 4 ball Era
> Phelan

1870s-1890s: Straight Rail Era
> Schaefer

1890s-1920: Balkline Era
> Hoppe

1921 -1930: Golden Era / Prohibition Era
> Greenleaf

1931-1940: Depression Era
> Greenleaf, Rudolph, Caras

1941-1960: First Decline
> Mosconi, Crane, Lassiter, Moore

1961-1974: Hustler Era / Johnston City Era
> Crane, Lassiter, Murphy, Mizerak

1975-1985: Second Decline
> Hall, Sigel, Hopkins, Mizerak

1986-1995: Color of Money Era
> Reyes, Strickland, Varner, Archer

1996-2005: Third Decline
> Reyes, Parica, Immonen, Daulton, Hohmann, Souquet

2006-2015: Rebuilding Era
> SVB, Appleton, Orcullo, Pagalayan, Wu, Ko

2015-Current: Matchroom Era
> Shaw, Filler, Gorst, Ouschan, SVB

I’m not trying to be comprehensive in terms of players listed. Just setting a tone. Some era may be worth subdividing or being relabeled.
For fun I put this into ChatGPT to see what it would do with it. It's impressive how well it did adding color to the bones of the work I originally did three years ago. I feel like we're possibly entering a new era now. You can feel the changing of the guard coming with Filler and Gorst at the head and established names waning and some new names waiting to burst into prominence. Sportswashing money, reunification of MR and WPA, the WNT maturing, evolving streaming options, and this palpable sense that prosperity (like with darts) could be just over the next horizon. It's too soon to declare what this new emerging era is but you can tell it's happening.


1850–1870s: American 4-Ball Era

Defining Traits:
The birth of American billiards—an era of codification, saloon culture, and the first standardized rules. Four-ball was the popular format, blending carom and pocket elements.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
Michael Phelan, the “Father of American Billiards,” author, promoter, and table innovator.
• Nostalgia: dark wood-paneled saloons, gas lamps, top hats, and the sense of a new national sport being born.

1870s–1890s: Straight Rail Era

Defining Traits:
Highly technical and methodical play—straight rail emphasized precise cue ball control, often criticized for excessive repetition (“nursing”).

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
Jacob Schaefer Sr. and George Slosson, masters of the nurse shot.
• Nostalgia: parlor rooms and exhibitions where intellect and skill outpaced entertainment value.

1890s–1920: Balkline Era

Defining Traits:
A response to the monotony of straight rail, balkline introduced restricted scoring zones. The game grew in sophistication and international prestige.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
Willie Hoppe, a child prodigy who would reign for decades.
• Nostalgia: the age of gentlemen competitors in suits and gloves, with billiards reaching its most cerebral peak.

1921–1930: Prohibition Era

Defining Traits:
Pool and alcohol walked parallel paths—underground speakeasies and poolrooms flourished. Gambling, glamour, and Greenleaf’s brilliance defined the decade.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Ralph Greenleaf, the first American pool celebrity.
• Nostalgia: flappers, jazz, bootleggers—and Greenleaf, brilliant and tragic, dazzling audiences between binges.

1931–1940: Depression Era

Defining Traits:
Austerity hit hard. Fewer tournaments, tighter venues. Players adapted—some became exhibition stars to survive.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Greenleaf, Jimmy Caras, Andrew Ponzi, Erwin Rudolph.
• Nostalgia: grit, survival, and resilience in smoke-filled rooms with secondhand cues.

1941–1960: First Decline

Defining Traits:
Mosconi dominates, but public interest dips. Pool loses its place in the national conversation, replaced by TV, sports leagues, and war.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Willie Mosconi, Irving Crane, Luther Lassiter, Jimmy Moore.
• Nostalgia: Mosconi’s 526-ball run, immaculate technique, and a polished ambassador in a fading spotlight.

1961–1974: Hustler Era / Johnston City Era

Defining Traits:
The Hustler revives interest. Johnston City tournaments celebrate colorful road players. Pool gets a pulse of outlaw charisma.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Crane, Lassiter, Jersey Red, Boston Shorty, Ronnie Allen.
• Nostalgia: smoky rooms, wild action, and the fine line between genius and con.

1975–1985: Second Decline

Defining Traits:
Interest wanes again. Fewer televised events. Hustling still thrives, but with less cultural sparkle. Mizerak keeps pool barely visible with commercials.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Mike Sigel, Allen Hopkins, Buddy Hall, Steve Mizerak.
• Nostalgia: road warriors and rough diamonds keeping the fire alive on sheer love of the game.

1986–1995: Color of Money Era

Defining Traits:
Pool explodes on ESPN and in theaters. 9-ball becomes the face of modern pool. Prize money spikes. International players arrive.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Efren Reyes, Earl Strickland, Nick Varner, Johnny Archer.
• Nostalgia: fast racks, adrenaline, loud crowds, and the wild rivalry energy of the 90s.

1996–2005: Third Decline

Defining Traits:
Too many events, too little cohesion. American interest softens, but global talent flourishes. Infrastructure struggles to keep up with fan interest.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Reyes, Francisco Bustamante, Mika Immonen, Ralf Souquet, Corey Deuel.
• Nostalgia: DVDs, match booths, and the golden age of international stroke artists.

2006–2015: Rebuilding Era

Defining Traits:
Grassroots efforts—streaming, forums, and niche platforms rebuild the base. SVB rises as the American standard bearer in a global field.

Key Figures & Nostalgia:
• Shane Van Boening, Darren Appleton, Dennis Orcollo, Alex Pagulayan, Wu Jia-qing, Ko Pin-yi.
• Nostalgia: TAR matches, online rivalries, gritty self-made circuits.

2015–Present: Matchroom Era

Defining Traits:
Matchroom Sports professionalizes pool’s presentation—lights, hype, production. Global rivalries define the landscape. The Mosconi Cup becomes must-see.

Key Figures & Nostalgia (in progress):
• Joshua Filler, Jayson Shaw, Fedor Gorst, Eklent Kaci, SVB, Albin Ouschan.
• Nostalgia: live streams, walk-on music, viral moments—pool as a polished spectator sport again.

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For fun I put this into ChatGPT to see what it would do with it. It's impressive how well it did adding color to the bones of the work I originally did three years ago. ...
I think at this point the AI tools can provide a good start but then the real work begins: pruning off the mistakes and adding pertinent material. Recently there was an AI-assisted pool history video that was pretty good, but there were several spots where it discussed subjects I was familiar with and it was more than a little flakey.
 
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I don’t want to read AI drivel,

I’d rather read bullshit written by a person

I cannot stand AI generated youtube videos, they are so OBVIOUS w animation or just AI picked somewhat related photos with some stupid reproduced AI narration. There was a Wilt Chamberlain doc on Prime and it had his own voice but AI generated, absolutely creepy!
 
I don’t want to read AI drivel,

I’d rather read bullshit written by a person
Just for clarity, I personally hand crafted the different eras myself three years ago. It started with trying to define “the golden era” of pool. And I looked carefully at what games were being played. And who were winning the major tournaments of those eras. And I defined those eras as every 20 years or so. And realized very quickly that there was a “passing of the torch” every 10 years. And I read both of Jay Helferts Pool Wars books. I also read R. A. Dyer’s “The Hustler and the Champ” and “Hustler Days”. And “Greenleaf” by Sam Korte. And thought hard about what was happening in the world when each generation of champions were thriving. And I built the list of eras as seen earlier in this thread. The interesting part about AI is only that I took what I produced and fed it into the system and it didn’t change my breakdown at all. it just added some very apt color.
 
How would label the different eras of pool and what timeframes would you put on them? I usually think of them either by who is dominant or by who is producing events.

Golden era? Johnston City era? Hustler era? ESPN era? Color of Money era? AccuStats era? Decline era? Matchroom era?

I get especially unclear about the older eras of Hoppe, Worst, Mosconi, Crane, Greenleaf, etc. in that I almost lump them all together but I know that’s not quite right. Just unsure how you’d draw the lines.
There were dynasties of great players long before Hoppe and the others you mentioned. men who were very famous and well revered in their time ,during the time when billiards was the sport of kings.
 
I’m surprised no one has mentioned this yet.

In the 70’s pool was in a decline and what brought myself and most of the other young kids into the pool rooms and bowling alleys that had pool tables was…

Pinball machines and video games

If it wasn’t for those I don’t think there would have been as many kids playing pool up to when the Color of Money came out.

For a long time now there hasn’t been a lot of young kids coming up like when I started playing.
 
Just for clarity, I personally hand crafted the different eras myself three years ago. It started with trying to define “the golden era” of pool. And I looked carefully at what games were being played. And who were winning the major tournaments of those eras. And I defined those eras as every 20 years or so. And realized very quickly that there was a “passing of the torch” every 10 years. And I read both of Jay Helferts Pool Wars books. I also read R. A. Dyer’s “The Hustler and the Champ” and “Hustler Days”. And “Greenleaf” by Sam Korte. And thought hard about what was happening in the world when each generation of champions were thriving. And I built the list of eras as seen earlier in this thread. The interesting part about AI is only that I took what I produced and fed it into the system and it didn’t change my breakdown at all. it just added some very apt color.
Matt you write great posts. I try and read all of them, you know ur stuff👍🫡
 
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